EQ for cutting

  1. EQ for cutting


    I am about to start an EQ cycle for cutting. I am looking for recommendations for dosages and what I should stack it with. The only thing is I cannot pin ED or EOD, I can only do it 2-3 times per week (can't pin at home). I would also want to avoid any libido problems. I do have plenty of Anavar and M-1-T on hand. I can probably get test too, maybe other stuff if. I do have all my PCT stuff already.

    Thanks,

    TF


  2. I have not heard any feedback on an M-1-T/EQ stack so this should be interesting.

    Try this:

    • 600 mg weekly EQ (front load first 2 weeks at 1000 mg)
    • M-1-T dose starting the SECOND week and continued for 4 weeks


    The reason to start the M-1-T after the second week is to give the EQ time to reach therapeutic levels. I firmly believe in the need for some amount of estrogen when on M-1-T so the need to let EQ "catch up" is very important to keep the cramps away.

    Keep the log going...

    Chemo

  3. I do not like the idea of using EQ alone. Results form EQ alone have not been overwhelmingly positive.
    Adding the methyl 1test should help some. However, I would add some test with it.
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  4. Interesting. I will be following this.
     

  5. Here's the thing. I had expected my EQ to be in sooner than it did, so I has to alter my orginal plan. I started M-1-T @ 20 mg /day along with 4AD cyp @ 1500 mg. I was planning on running that for 2 weeks then starting the EQ.

    So maybe something like this:

    Weeks 1&2: 20mg M-1-T + 1500 mg 4AD
    Weeks 3&4: 600 mg EQ
    Weeks 5-8: 600 mg EQ + 20-30 mg M-1-T
    Weeks 9-12:???


    -TF

  6. before I broke my metacarpal, I was going to try an EQ/m1t/proviron stack, so Im really looking forward to what kidnda results you see...

  7. Why proviron? M1T already converts into methyl DHT (theoretically) so adding proviron wouldn't do much.
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  8. just cuz i had it

  9. Originally posted by size
    I do not like the idea of using EQ alone. Results form EQ alone have not been overwhelmingly positive.
    Adding the methyl 1test should help some. However, I would add some test with it.
    I don't like EQ only cycles either but if he's willing to suffer through in the name of science I'll support him

    Given his cutting goals I think that 600 mg weekly will do nicely for minimizing muscle wasting. However, the appetite increase will be hard to cope with...

    Chemo

  10. Originally posted by Bobo
    Why proviron? M1T already converts into methyl DHT (theoretically) so adding proviron wouldn't do much.
    I'm still trying to figure out the pathway that it converts into DHT...so far no luck.

    Chemo

  11. Originally posted by Jarconis
    just cuz i had it
    Perfectly acceptable answer
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  12. Originally posted by Chemo

    I'm still trying to figure out the pathway that it converts into DHT...so far no luck.

    Chemo
    You have any of the original studies on 1-test? They are not available on PubMed and I'm too lazy to go sifting through our library here. Dupont made it too big.
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  13. I have a partial hard copy...couldn't get the whole paper. I'll scan it and send it to you.

  14. I don't like EQ only cycles either but if he's willing to suffer through in the name of science I'll support him

    "Suffer"? That sounds kinda sucky. What you you recommend to stack with it to avoid any "suffering"? What would the cycle look like?

    The name of science indeed


    -TF

  15. Add some test.

  16. How much would you say to add while still avoiding bloat etc? I do have letro available.

  17. I believe the "suffering" is more due to the appetite incerase that is a well doccumented side-effect of EQ. Standard appetite suppressants should help.

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  18. Originally posted by Turd Ferguson
    How much would you say to add while still avoiding bloat etc? I do have letro available.
    250mg-500mg of test will make a nice difference. If you do not really want to use test then 250mg would still help.

    I think test is great to cut with.

  19. Originally posted by Turd Ferguson
    ...That sounds kinda sucky. What you you recommend to stack with it to avoid any "suffering"? What would the cycle look like?

    The name of science indeed

    -TF
    Slow your roll TF...your taking the post out of context.

    The suffering I'm talking about is the appetite increase that you will experience. This is not a good characteristic if cutting since most people will cut cals.

    Other than that, EQ is a mild anabolic that will definitely help with minimizing muscle wasting during your hypo-caloric state. In addition, it will increase your vascularity and overall muscle density so you'll take on a more chiseled look.

    Chemo


  20. Test for cutting?  No water retention issues?
     

  21. Double post - sorry.

  22. Thanks all.

    Chemo: Thanks for your input. I was being a sarcastic ass- a conditon I am prone to



    Which type of test would be best in this situation? Any anti-e needed?



    -TF

  23. Originally posted by HUGE

    Test for cutting?  No water retention issues?
     
    Contrary to popular belief, estrogen is actually good for fat loss.
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  24. For cutting, prop is generally reccomended, but for 2x a week you can go enan or cyp, just mix it in with the EQ. it doesn't kick in fast, and it might not be the best for no bloat, so have something (liquidex or femura) on hand for if the bloat starts to get to be too much but don't shoot for 100% no bloat unless you are going into a contest immediately after. water is relatively easy to shed. Plus the water retention is good for muscle retention due to the anabolic environment it creates).

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  25. Yes test for cutting. Many people fail to recognize that you can cut with anything. You can cut with anadrol and test.

    Cutting is an exercise and diet mindset, Of course adding clen and t3 helps.

  26. Would the test dosage (or EQ for that matter) be affected by the fact I am 6'2", 255 lbs, 12 % BF and an experienced PH user?

    -TF

  27. If you are concerned about acne and bloating fomr test then use a low dosage say 200-400mg. With EQ 400-600mg weekly but you may have to fight the increased appetite that many get when using EQ. Personally, I get some appetite increase but not much.

    You could add clen and t3 which will definitely help lose fat. since you will be usign test and eq muscle loss will not be nearly as extreme with t3. You could add an oral such as anavar or winstrol also if you like.
  

  
 

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