stepping over to the dark side
- 10-15-2008, 11:39 PM
stepping over to the dark side
ive been cutting for the past 2 months, with good results, but have been plateaued for the past 2 weeks. ive decided its about time i man up to an injectable cycle, opposed to these oral only cycles, and do some extreme dieting along with it. here is so far what i have been considering, i would love any insight or suggestions to make sure i get the most out of this
masteron: weeks 1-10 100mg EOD
winny(oral): 60mg a day either weeks 1-6 or weeks 4-10
test: im considering a low dose throughout this cycle, if necessary. im not sure if i should use E or P, or if it really doesnt matter. i am also wondering how necessary the test is. if it is only for comfort, or libido issues, i think i can handle 10 weeks without it to save a couple bucks, but if it is absolutely necessary i will by all means add it in. (i have tried researching this, but of the cycles ive seen using masteron and winny, they were without test, and a friend of mine is preparing for a show and is on masteron, tren, winny and var with no test, so this makes me question how necessary it is)
my pct will consist of toremifene at
weeks 2-4: 60mg ed.
any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, and please excuse some of the mindless rambling i may have had in this post.
- 10-15-2008, 11:51 PM
everyone is different. just beacuse ur friend may not need test it doesnt mean u wont.
my suggestion is 100mg prop/100mg Mast EOD, 50mg winny ED toward the end
theres so many good "cutting" cycles that i would LOVE to experiment with
10-16-2008, 12:03 AM
thank you for the advice. if i am able, for instance, to get test e at a much more cost efficient price then p, would i be able to do say, 200mg test e 2x a week? or would prop be the better choice regardless?
10-16-2008, 12:15 AM
test-e is fine, but if u choose that route then i suggest running the test 12 weeks. test-e didnt kick in fully for me until about week 5-6. U'll have faster results and probably more from Prop if u stay with 10 weeks compared to test-e for 10 weeks. also, u can shoot prop and mast together, where u'll practically be pinning ED with test-e/mast
10-16-2008, 12:29 AM
well, the reason i would prefer test e, is because i can get 250mg for the same price that i would get 100mg of test p. i can also try to plan it out so that i wont be pinning every day with test e. some weeks i may be pinning 2 days in a row, a day off, then 2 in a row, but i really dont mind it that much. i really appreciate these advices though. im looking forward to starting this.
10-16-2008, 12:37 AM
one more question, what ur bf%? compounds like winny and mast wont show much of anything if its too high
10-16-2008, 12:40 AM
about 11-12%. when i started cutting i was at about 16-17, and now im stuck here at that range. every time i cut this is my sticking point. ive never gotten into single digits, so ive decided its time i go all out.
10-16-2008, 12:49 AM
10-16-2008, 12:51 AM
i might do an inconsistent log once i start it. im not sure how often ill be able to update it, but ill do one with weekly reviews most likely.
10-16-2008, 04:36 PM
looks good, def use the 250 enan a week. it will provide extra benefits in lbm and fat loss and will keep ur libido healthy. your friend doesnt need test because hes using tren and nothing makes people hornier than tren.
10-16-2008, 10:18 PM
10-16-2008, 10:27 PM
another thought just popped into my mind. what about adding glucophage(metformin) into this? what ive read equates it to being a much more powerful version of anabolic pump, in essence.
10-16-2008, 10:33 PM
10-17-2008, 12:19 AM
10-17-2008, 12:59 AM
10-17-2008, 06:26 PM
10-17-2008, 06:47 PM
For a first time injectable cycle I wouldnt suggest having so many compounds in there... Your not going to know how your body reacts to each one...
IMO you should try a test only cycle.. And diet if you intend to cut... Its cheeper and you will see good results..
10-18-2008, 11:27 PM
Quick thing though i hope you get before you make your purchase. The reason your getting "more" for the same price with the test enanthate is because there isn't as much actual raw testosterone in enanthate as there is in prop. The esters actually take up some mgs themselves. 100mgs of test enanthate is roughly 70mgs of actual test and the other 30mgs would be the enanthate ester. 100mgs of prop will yeild roughly 90mgs of test and 10mgs prop ester. (get it? short ester long ester?) anyways yeah, 250mgs of test e is then gonna give you 175mgs of actual test. 200mgs of test prop would give you 180mgs of test hopes that helps
P.S. "Still Life" is one of the best albums ever. opeth is the ****
10-19-2008, 12:21 AM
P.S. i cant choose which albums from opeth i like the most, im really liking watershed, but i always love damnation and deliverance depending on my mood. the band is damn brilliant.
10-19-2008, 12:23 AM
10-19-2008, 12:34 AM
agreed, its one of the only albums from any of the bands i listen to i can get my girlfriend to say she likes.
10-19-2008, 12:39 AM
10-19-2008, 12:53 AM
i like all of opeths music. i could never say any of it is bad, but damnation and deliverance are my 2 favorites. for some reason i cant get my family or most friends to like amon amarth or behemoth though...i dont even bother to try with mayhem, gorgoroth, necrophagist etc...
10-19-2008, 12:53 PM
necrophagist is eh.. behemoth is my favorite, note ( nephilim risin ) :P
belphegor, decapitated, naglfar, amon amarth. children of bodom, in flames. u guys fans?
10-19-2008, 02:19 PM
I like select decapitated stuff, and i can get into necrophagist on occassion they are just super shredy. but i'm primarily into stuff with breakdowns (Emmure, Veil of Maya, After the Burial, Acacia Strain, As Blood Runs Black, Suicide Silence etc.) however I can appreciate swedish black metal as much as anyone. Cracks me up when guys think the heaviest stuff out there is the stuff branch warren poses to, like Disturbed and Drowning Pool. I "lol" at that garbage
10-19-2008, 02:29 PM
10-19-2008, 11:11 PM
i think i lost my virginity in a deicide pit a few years back :P and i saw behemoth at wacken open air and i gota agree nobody puts on a more intense show. HAHA drowning pool, i dont even consider them metal, maybe hard rock on a good day
10-21-2008, 12:14 AM
lol....... I gotta join in on meat-head metal talk here.
You could say I like Behemoth, see name.
About Meshuggah Obzen, man, that CD is really awesome. I lost interest in them after Chaosphere, but I like this one a lot.
10-21-2008, 12:26 AM
10-21-2008, 12:33 AM
Yeah, I thought Nothing was alright, and I liked that they went that direction because SO many bands copied them, just wasn't my cup-o-tea. Obzen, to me, sounds like what they've always been going for. It just has that sound and feel like they were really 'on' when making this one.
I think Obzen is my favorite since DEI.
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