- 10-13-2008, 12:08 PM
hey guys, this is my first post as a member of this site. In about 3 weeks ill be starting my second ph cycle, and its gunna be havoc..my first was with halodrol, got pretty good lean gains.
here are some stats to work with:
bf: not certain, probably 15ish
Goal: Put on Size and Strength Increase
here are my plans for the havoc cycle, advice is recommended as this is my second, and im sure most of you are well experienced
1 week pre-cycle: AI's Cycle Support 2 scoops (or should i bump it to 3)
Week 1: 20 mg havoc, cycle support (2) Xtend BCAA's, multivitamin
Week 2: 20 mg havoc, cycle support (2) Xtend BCAA's, multivitamin
Week 3: 30 mg havoc, cycle support (2) Xtend BCAA's, multivitamin;
Week 4: 30 mg havoc, cycle support (2) Xtend BCAA's, multivitamin
Nolvadex:either 30/20/20/10 or 20/20/10/10
AI's Post Cycle Support
still taking multi and bcaa's
1 Gallon + water each day on cycle + post
quick question..should i start the nolva while still on cycle or wait until the cycle is done
also, if anyone has anything to add please let me know
- 10-13-2008, 12:11 PM
also, i am thinking of using the herbal supp. vitex..should i use that throughout the cycle or wait until after
- 10-13-2008, 12:21 PM
10-13-2008, 01:31 PM
Hi bro start the Nolva the day after your last dose of Havoc. Nolva is best dosed at night and I would go 20/20/10/10 and start the Post Cycle Support on week 2 and do 2 caps a.m. and 2 caps p.m. through week 5. No need to take 3 scoops of Cycle Support during preload. I wish you well let me know if I can help.
10-13-2008, 01:35 PM
thanks bros..so u think i should start the vitex pct also?
also what should my carb protein and fat profiles look like?
i will do 20/20/10/10 and start the post cycle support week 2..do i start it at the beginning (like day 8) or at the end of week 2?
10-14-2008, 12:03 PM
10-14-2008, 07:33 PM
thanks..i got the havoc today, im ordering the AI supps tomorrow, and i have nolva coming in 3 weeks from now..gunna start it as soon as ive gone about a week with the cycle support..i think im gunna get 2 tubs of it so that i can continue it thru pct..is this a good idea?
10-14-2008, 08:43 PM
10-15-2008, 11:17 AM
10-19-2008, 02:36 PM
what do u think the best supp would be for joint relief on this cycle because my joints are a little tight
10-20-2008, 09:44 AM
10-20-2008, 12:16 PM
10-20-2008, 03:44 PM
10-21-2008, 11:46 AM
10-22-2008, 06:14 PM
quick question..can i mix the AI cycle support with water or does it have to be with a protein shake
10-23-2008, 02:31 AM
10-23-2008, 05:43 PM
yeah thats what ive been doing, either that or i put it in like 6 oz of water and hold the nose..its pretty nasty but w/e, i just pop a mint in my mouth afterward..so im starting the cycle wednesday, keep ya posted
10-23-2008, 06:03 PM
10-23-2008, 09:13 PM
10-24-2008, 10:56 AM
10-24-2008, 11:34 AM
10-24-2008, 11:47 AM
10-24-2008, 12:16 PM
Well I'm glad I like the taste as it is vital IMO to a cycle. I guess people have different tastes for things. Speaking of Taste, I have a Pale Ale to bottle and in a few weeks when I'm off my epi cycle, woohoo!
10-24-2008, 01:03 PM
i would suggest run the havoc at 20/30/30/40 you wont see much of anything at 20mg imo.
you can do nolva for 3 weeks 20/20/10 thats enough for this cycle imo.
10-25-2008, 11:16 AM
10-27-2008, 03:44 PM
just wanna let u guys know..if u put it in like 6 oz of water and just hold the nose and chug u cant even taste it.thats what ive been doin its not bad at all..start the hav tomorrow!
10-27-2008, 03:59 PM
Welcome rage,.. you couldn't have come to a more helpful joint!!! Good luck on the cycle!!!
Think training's hard,. try losing!
10-27-2008, 04:02 PM
just fyi halodrol + havoc aren't prohormones, they are both designer steroids. the two safest ones, but still not prohormones. just a public service message
10-27-2008, 10:32 PM
yeah ive heard that, i just dont get what is a PH if they arent..i feel like everything that ppl call PH's other people call steroids, so are there really any PH's?
lol, anyway..one more question..should i split the dosing 1 morning 1 afternoon, or take them both at the same time?
each pill is 10 mg..so for 20 mg would i do one morning one night..and then 30-one morning, one mid day, one night?
or take them all at one point
10-27-2008, 10:36 PM
there are only a few real PHs around, AMS + LG make them. Its more a chemical distinction than anything, but I think people feel that PHs are safer than steroids which isn't true either.... I've seen someone call halodrol a test booster before even...
I'd say with epistane its not super critical but you can split them if you'd like. I'd try and not take the last one much later than 6pm but thats just me. everyone has their own opinions on what maximizes gains and minimizes sides
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