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    Epistane to MDROL Bridge! Log w/Pics


    What's up everybody?

    This will be my first online log I've ever done, however, this is not my first rodeo when it comes to D.S and AAS.

    I've been training/fighting in MMA for 3 1/2 years now. I walk around at 170-175lbs and cut to 145 or 155 (depending on where I fight), so it's hard for me to hang onto size. I'm taking a year off from fighting to better my game and maybe get 10 - 20 lbs of solid mass added so I can move up a weight class (probably stay at 155, and never cut back down to 145).

    So, with that said, here are all my vitals:

    Previous Cycles: Winstrol, M-Drol, Pheraplex, Short Epi Pulse

    Age: 22
    Height: 5'9 1/2"
    Weight: 170lbs
    BF: 8.5%
    Lifting Experience: 10 years

    Cycle:
    Epistane: 40/40/40/40
    M-DROL: 00/00/00/10/20/20

    PCT:
    Nolvadex: 20/20/20/20
    Sustain Alpha
    Diesel Test Hardcore

    (Have Letro, Arimidex, and Cialis on hand)

    Support Supps:
    Life Support (1 week pre-load, continue while on PCT)
    AdreNOl8
    Multi-Vitamin
    ZMA
    Fish Oil
    BCAA's

    Diet:

    IMMEDIATELY upon waking up:
    Any kind of NO2 to maximize the absorption of proteins and open up my vessels
    1 Whey isolate protein shake

    30 minutes after waking up :
    6 eggs, 4 slices of Bacon w/ grapes or apple or strawberries

    Water in between.

    About 1.5 hours later TIME TO SNACK!
    Protein Bar + some fruit (grapes, strawberries, or apple) + WATER

    30 minutes before LUNCH another dose of NO2

    Lunch TIME
    Chicken breast/ Steak /fish a good amount WITH whole rice, VEGETABLES
    OR Subway Club (If I'm in a rush at work)
    After lunch I take a MULTI-VITAMIN + fish oil
    MORE WATER

    30 minutes prior to workout AdreNOl8 mixed with Gatorade

    Time to kill the gym

    IMMEDIATELY AFTER WORKOUT =
    1 scoop whey protein + 1 scoop casein protein + glutamine

    1 Hr later
    2 fat free yogurts, some grapes, and 1 teaspoon of peanut butter

    DINNER
    Chicken breast / steak / fish + vegetables and starches
    OR Whole wheat Spaghetti w/lots of beef
    WATER

    1 hour before sleep CASEIN PROTEIN

    IMMEDIATELY BEFORE SLEEP = ZMA

    Workout Schedule:
    Sunday - Tri's/Bi's
    Monday - Shoulders/Back
    Tuesday - Chest
    Wednesday - Legs
    Thursday - Light Cardio/Abs
    Friday - Circuit Training

    I start this cycle this coming Tuesday. I'll be updating this every so often and will add the before pics before I take my first dose.

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    I've never bridged before, for that matter, I've only done a cycle of hdrol. But I wish you great gains,... keep us informed!
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    You might be able to get away with 10mg of MDROL throughout the last part of the bridge, 20 may not even be necessary. Also, your Epi dose looks good (but more could be better ). I know with me, 50-60mg is lovely.

    One more thing, if you're diet is down and your training too - prepare to get JACKED!
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    so you've been lifting since you were 12? If you are only 22 when was your first err...rodeo?
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    How come you decided to overlap with 6 weeks and not go separate for 7?
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    I ran a bridge very similar to that. Unfortunately Epithios don't seem to work much on me, but it should have been an excellent stack. Enjoy the Superdrol, i sure did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NasD View Post
    so you've been lifting since you were 12? If you are only 22 when was your first err...rodeo?
    Wow, your math is correct! Lol, First cycle was when I turned 21 and was Mdrol. 8 weeks later I ran a Pheraplex/Winstrol bridge, then about 4 months ago I ran an epi pulse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozarkaBRAND View Post
    You might be able to get away with 10mg of MDROL throughout the last part of the bridge, 20 may not even be necessary. Also, your Epi dose looks good (but more could be better ). I know with me, 50-60mg is lovely.

    One more thing, if you're diet is down and your training too - prepare to get JACKED!
    Thanks! Are you saying run Mdrol 10/20/10, or add another week and run it 10/20/20/10?
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    Na na na.. I mean 10/10/10
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    I ran a bridge very similar to that. Unfortunately Epithios don't seem to work much on me, but it should have been an excellent stack. Enjoy the Superdrol, i sure did.
    Hey bro.. have you ever ran Pheraplex or a clone? just curious to see how well you responded if so. I don't respond to Pplex or original AX Pheraplex at all, but seemed to blow up over night on Epi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozarkaBRAND View Post
    Na na na.. I mean 10/10/10
    I ran it at 10/20/20 my first time. I saw results at ten, but even more at 20 and no sides (other than minor acne). Thanks for the advice though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjfight View Post
    I ran it at 10/20/20 my first time. I saw results at ten, but even more at 20 and no sides (other than minor acne). Thanks for the advice though!
    I'd wager that part of the reason you noticed more at 20 was simply due to the fact that it was the 2nd week of the cycle and the compound was really starting to kick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NasD View Post
    so you've been lifting since you were 12? If you are only 22 when was your first err...rodeo?
    i had to go back and re-read that....... 10 years at 22
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    Subbed I am thinking of switching out the X-Tren bridge I was going to do for some EPI/Havoc. The last cycle I ran of Havoc was great and it made me feel amazing.

    Nice thing about Epi is that most people don't get any real nasty sides and mild shutdown so by the time you roll into Mdrol you'll already be kickin with strength and be primed for some huge mass gains!
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    ALso noticed your taking life support which is great but I would say based off length of this cycle Cycle Support would be better used if you like the taste. More servings in it at least.

    Watch the toxicity on this too Mdrol by itself is bad enough!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjfight View Post
    Hey bro.. have you ever ran Pheraplex or a clone? just curious to see how well you responded if so. I don't respond to Pplex or original AX Pheraplex at all, but seemed to blow up over night on Epi.
    Weird! I respond great to Phera Plex. Some kind of inverse relationship going on there

    R = response value (0<R<1)

    (R)Phera = 1 - (R)Epi

    & (R)Phera + (R)Epi = 1


    Here's some response values for me

    Superdrol: 1.0
    Pheraplex: .8
    Epistane: .2
    Halodrol-50: 0
    Mega-zol: 0

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnrealMachine View Post
    Weird! I respond great to Phera Plex. Some kind of inverse relationship going on there

    R = response value (0<R<1)

    (R)Phera = 1 - (R)Epi

    & (R)Phera + (R)Epi = 1


    Here's some response values for me

    Superdrol: 1.0
    Pheraplex: .8
    Epistane: .2
    Halodrol-50: 0
    Mega-zol: 0

    My body doesn't respond to most compounds. Stims don't work unless triple dosed or so.
    Very interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    How come you decided to overlap with 6 weeks and not go separate for 7?
    Answer pretty please :bruce1:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    Answer pretty please :bruce1:
    Are you asking why I don't run it like this:

    Epistane: 40/40/40/40/00/00/00
    M-DROL: 00/00/00/00/10/20/20

    ?

    Just trying to clarify so I can answer accordingly.
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    yep Yep!
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    I know it doesn't apply to this log, but for those interested, here is the transformation I made in 1 year. I gained about 25lbs naturally (the first pic I was at 130lbs) then I cycled MDROL for 3 weeks and gained about 15lbs. The second pic is right after PCT for my MDROL cycle. I weighed about 170 and look exactly the same. I'll still post a new photo, but just thought I'd share this with everyone.

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    been wanting to see this stack i will be back to read. Subbed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    yep Yep!
    I wanted to slightly introduce Mdrol while finishing up the Epistane to make gains come quicker.
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    I see.

    No homo, but through your blurred face you look exactly like me LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugger View Post
    I see.

    No homo, but through your blurred face you look exactly like me LOL
    Haha thats funny. I don't know why I blurred it out... oh well...

    Do you think I would benefit more by running it the way you mentioned, or were you just asking out of curiosity?
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    I was just asking out of curiosity as I am contemplating using the same stack you are about to begin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjfight View Post
    Wow, your math is correct! Lol, First cycle was when I turned 21 and was Mdrol. 8 weeks later I ran a Pheraplex/Winstrol bridge, then about 4 months ago I ran an epi pulse.
    cjfight, don't sound so surprised! (^_^) You just don't normally see guys start lifting that early. Good for you though...wish I had.

    Since you've done both Phera and Mdrol in the past, which put more mass on for you? I'm guessing Mdrol since you're going with it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NasD View Post
    cjfight, don't sound so surprised! (^_^) You just don't normally see guys start lifting that early. Good for you though...wish I had.

    Since you've done both Phera and Mdrol in the past, which put more mass on for you? I'm guessing Mdrol since you're going with it again.
    Lol Yeah I've been lifting since 12, though the first 2 years I lifted I did no legs.. mosty chest and arms (pretty boy muscles, ya know'!).

    I didn't respond to Pheraplex (original formula from AX). M-Drol was nothing short of amazing. It compared, for me, almost 100% to Oral Winstrol. Same gains, same sides (although the only sides I got from both compounds was increased Acne). After I run this cycle I'm going to take 2-3 months off, then probably do a Winstrol, Tbol, Test cycle. That's a long ways off yet, so I'll stick to what I have at hand right now!

    Thanks for joining in on the discussion brotha!
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    The cycle looks perfect then. I see your logic. You blew up off your Epi pulse and did even better off MDROL so the combo should be a great mass cycle given how you responded to each in the past...now that's how you plan a cycle!
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    i started lifting at 13 and was jacked by 16. while all my friends were playing nintendo, i was in the gym. 3 yr membership for 250 bucks. booya

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    how do you do a shoulder/back split? i would think shoulder/chest would be better. Dont neglect your back a solid well developed back is a thing of beauty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    how do you do a shoulder/back split? i would think shoulder/chest would be better. Dont neglect your back a solid well developed back is a thing of beauty.
    Actually, if anything, I neglect my shoulders now. But, not because I want to, but because of an old injury I got when playing Baseball (was a pitcher). Sounds lame I know, but I can't do dumb bell shoulder presses, military bench press, etc. My shoulder just locks up.

    I had neglected my back, and the last 6 months I've been working it like crazy!

    I may try some aflutop for my shoulders...
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    Pics are coming tomorrow. Start Epistane tomorrow as well! I'm taking 20mg in the am, and the other 20mg about 6hrs later.

    Not sure why I said I was starting on a Tuesday... must'a been tired or something. Weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjfight View Post
    Actually, if anything, I neglect my shoulders now. But, not because I want to, but because of an old injury I got when playing Baseball (was a pitcher). Sounds lame I know, but I can't do dumb bell shoulder presses, military bench press, etc. My shoulder just locks up.

    I had neglected my back, and the last 6 months I've been working it like crazy!

    I may try some aflutop for my shoulders...
    oh, that sounds good then i mean most of the time if you see a split like that the guy is not hitting back hard enough. If you have shoulder problems lateral raises should be enough for you. thats if you hit back HARD and get the rear delt work from that. Hit incline chest hard too and get the front delt head with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    oh, that sounds good then i mean most of the time if you see a split like that the guy is not hitting back hard enough. If you have shoulder problems lateral raises should be enough for you. thats if you hit back HARD and get the rear delt work from that. Hit incline chest hard too and get the front delt head with that.
    Thanks piston! I've recently started doing incline more. there is still a tingling pain when i do it, but as long as its with the bar and not dumbbells i can stand it.
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    DAY 1
    (Pics to come tonight. Had to wait and get cable for camera)

    Started Epistane dose off at 20mg in the morning, then around 3pm (6hrs later) I took another 20mg. I believe I will take 40mg the first week, then maybe bump it up to 60mg if everything is going well.

    Side note: I had to start taking a higher dose of glucosamine. I believe I'm getting arthritis in my elbow's and it's starting to hinder my workout intensity.

    Today was arms day (tri's/bi's):

    Dumb Bell Curls: 60x8/60x8/60x8
    Dumb Bell Hammers (flat bench): 45x10/45x10/45x8
    Rope Curls: 180x10/180x10/180x10
    Tricep Press: 210x10/210x10/210x10
    Hammers: 45lb (15x3) plate immediately followed by triangle push ups (15x3)

    Post workout: 1.5 miles around town

    Today was an off day to say the least. My elbows were bugging me pretty bad. Hoping the pain subsides. If not, I may begin an aflutop treatment program.

    Obviously since its the first day I can't say I felt any different.

    I'll weigh in tomorrow morning upon waking up to give you guys an exact weight.
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    dude, you are curling 60lb db's??? based on the pics i wouldnt think so but if so then damn thats good!! Why did you start out so high? even if i plan to use a high dose i still start low.....1 day 20mg 2 days or 30 then go with 40, thats just to introduce it to the body but hey no biggie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pistonpump View Post
    dude, you are curling 60lb db's??? based on the pics i wouldnt think so but if so then damn thats good!! Why did you start out so high? even if i plan to use a high dose i still start low.....1 day 20mg 2 days or 30 then go with 40, thats just to introduce it to the body but hey no biggie.
    Yes sir I am curling the 60's. Probably will bump up to the 65's next week. Always had pretty good bicep strength. My posture is straight as an arrow as well. Wish I had a video of it.

    As far as starting lower then raising dose.. I have no real answer for you as to why I don't do it.. lol

    I'll add day 2 and day 3 logs later today when I get home (forgot my notebook and I'm at work now).

    Although Day 3 was a bad day in the gym. I did Dumb Bell bench. 110 x 3 / 110 x 3 / 110 x 3 and then had to quit my workout. I had 0 motivation. None at all. And my elbow was killing me from an armbar I was put in a few hours earlier at Jits practice. Hopefully I'll be able to workout tonight.

    Today's weight: 171lbs (Been eating like a hog. Everything in sight that is somewhat reasonable. Worst thing I ate the last 4 days are those damn Oreo Cookie ice cream bars)
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    [QUOTE=cjfight;1591760]DAY 1
    I believe I'm getting arthritis in my elbow's and it's starting to hinder my workout intensity.
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    Don't believe that. Arthritis is an autoimmune disease. At your age it's extremely unlikely. If you practice Jits and get in arm bars, well right there is possibility for cartilage strain/damage. I got put in arm bars and they ROYALLY jacked up my elbows. Debilitating pain.

    Get some Cissus ASAP and maybe try an Epsom salt bath, but don't stay in too long because the salt can dehydrate you.

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    Update pics???
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