How do I revive my Libido while on cycle?

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    How do I revive my Libido while on cycle?


    If someone takes Epistane, Halodrol, and Pheraplex at the same time, is it the excess estrogen that kills the libido?

    What does one do to revive their sex drive while on cycle?

    Thank you!

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    ur running all 3?? thats retarded and horrible for ur body. what doses are u running?
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    Your libido would be the least of the concerns...wow
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    its the low amount of estrogen possibly....I had okay libido on my last cycle of havoc...this cycle i've been using dhea, each time I take dhea dosage my libido is insane and my lethargy subsides
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    I would tend to think like most that 3 methyls at once is bad for the liver.

    However, say you normally dose epistane at 40mg when running solo and you dose phera at 30 solo.

    I dont see how running 20mg of epi and 15mg of phera would be any more taxing on the liver than 40epi or 30phera...seems like if you divide up the dosages accordingly that it would be equally as taxing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monsterbox View Post
    I dont see how running 20mg of epi and 15mg of phera would be any more taxing on the liver than 40epi or 30phera...seems like if you divide up the dosages accordingly that it would be equally as taxing?

    nope, doesnt work that way. otherwise ppl would be running 40mg of Superdrol instead of 40mg Epi.....WAY different
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    Quote Originally Posted by monsterbox View Post
    its the low amount of estrogen possibly....I had okay libido on my last cycle of havoc...this cycle i've been using dhea, each time I take dhea dosage my libido is insane and my lethargy subsides
    how much DHEA are u taking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    how much DHEA are u taking?
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    really? so there is truth to this theory...very interesting. reps my man.
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    Methylated seem the best for effectiveness...I'm definitely game to use some non-methylated stuff.

    What is the best non-methylated for adding muscle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mclucas View Post
    Methylated seem the best for effectiveness...I'm definitely game to use some non-methylated stuff.

    What is the best non-methylated for adding muscle?
    bold?
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    OK...Here is the stack I am thinking:

    Epistane (30mg) - Good anti-estrogen properties
    - OK Anabolic properties
    - Bad due to Methylated

    Pheraplex (30mg) - Good anabolic properties
    - Concerns about excess estrogen
    - Bad due to Methylated

    1,4 AD Bold 200 (600mg) - OK Anabolic properties
    - Concerns about excess estrogen
    - Good due to non-methylated

    Gaspari Novadex XT to control estrogen

    Liver Detoxifier which is self explainatory

    Or should I dump Epistane and take Halodrol (50mg) instead?

    Comments???
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    Quote Originally Posted by mclucas View Post
    OK...Here is the stack I am thinking:

    Epistane (30mg) - Good anti-estrogen properties
    - OK Anabolic properties
    - Bad due to Methylated

    Pheraplex (30mg) - Good anabolic properties
    - Concerns about excess estrogen
    - Bad due to Methylated

    1,4 AD Bold 200 (600mg) - OK Anabolic properties
    - Concerns about excess estrogen
    - Good due to non-methylated

    Gaspari Novadex XT to control estrogen

    Liver Detoxifier which is self explainatory

    Or should I dump Epistane and take Halodrol (50mg) instead?

    Comments???
    That's absolutely horrendous and your body will absolutely hate you. I can't even comprehend you honestly considering this stack. Have you ANY idea what you're doing? You might as well add Mdrol and CycloTren if you're already slaughtering organs.
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    OK...OK...You've made your point. I would appreciate an effective alternative stack.

    How about dumping the Methylated Epistane and taking this?

    - Pheraplex (30mg)
    - 1,4 AD Bold 200 (600mg)
    - Gaspari Novadex XT to control estrogen
    - Liver Detoxifier which is self explainatory
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    That is better. I would get rid of the novadex and opt for a highly efficient PCT. You NEED a pct with a stack like that! I would also recommend taking Bold at 800mg a day split in two. Most agree that 800 is an optimal level. Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mclucas View Post
    OK...OK...You've made your point. I would appreciate an effective alternative stack.

    How about dumping the Methylated Epistane and taking this?

    - Pheraplex (30mg)
    - 1,4 AD Bold 200 (600mg)
    - Gaspari Novadex XT to control estrogen
    - Liver Detoxifier which is self explainatory
    I would go Epi 20/30/30/40

    Bold 800/800/800/800/800/800/800/800

    No need for the XT on cycle. You need more than liver detox for support supps look into Cycle Support it has all the supports needed on cycle preload it 10-14 days before starting and run while on cycle.

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    Post Cycle Support weeks 2-5 2 caps a.m. and 2 caps p.m.

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    whats wrong with:

    Phera-Plex 30mg
    Epistane 20mg (to control phera's estrogen/bloating)

    People run d-bol and epi...whats wrong with phera and epi...epi is dosed at only 20mg...running a liver support would probably be fine for a short 4 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monsterbox View Post
    whats wrong with:

    Phera-Plex 30mg
    Epistane 20mg (to control phera's estrogen/bloating)

    People run d-bol and epi...whats wrong with phera and epi...epi is dosed at only 20mg...running a liver support would probably be fine for a short 4 weeks.
    that's a high dose of Phera.

    If you insist on doing this, stick with no more than 20mg of Phera in a stack.

    And do yourself a favor and get something for your joints...strength increases will soon outpace your joint stability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monsterbox View Post
    I dont see how running 20mg of epi and 15mg of phera would be any more taxing on the liver than 40epi or 30phera...seems like if you divide up the dosages accordingly that it would be equally as taxing?

    think of this like cars. its easy to get a car to go from 0-60, 60-100, why isn't it easy to get from 100-160. its a compounding effect, similar to tires. easy from 0-150mph, 150-200mph is a completely different ballgame.

    30mg phera and 20mg epi is similar in methyl harshness to be doing a double dose of the strongest compound in the mix - 60mg of phera.

    nobody gets sclerosis of the liver from average drinking - its taking that little bit more that causes an issue. how much more is defendant on your body. its the h-drol added in that makes this a problem. thats taking the compounding effect to a different extreme.

    using the car example, thats like running generic tires on a pinto and trying to get it up to 200mph. possible? maybe, if its going downhill, or off a cliff, same as your liver. be safer next time around brotha.

    the phera and epi aren't that bad stacked IMO, but for gods sake drop the hdrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    think of this like cars. its easy to get a car to go from 0-60, 60-100, why isn't it easy to get from 100-160. its a compounding effect, similar to tires. easy from 0-150mph, 150-200mph is a completely different ballgame.

    30mg phera and 20mg epi is similar in methyl harshness to be doing a double dose of the strongest compound in the mix - 60mg of phera.

    nobody gets sclerosis of the liver from average drinking - its taking that little bit more that causes an issue. how much more is defendant on your body. its the h-drol added in that makes this a problem. thats taking the compounding effect to a different extreme.

    using the car example, thats like running generic tires on a pinto and trying to get it up to 200mph. possible? maybe, if its going downhill, or off a cliff, same as your liver. be safer next time around brotha.

    the phera and epi aren't that bad stacked IMO, but for gods sake drop the hdrol.

    I assume you meant cirrhosis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCo4Fun View Post
    I assume you meant cirrhosis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpapa View Post
    really? so there is truth to this theory...very interesting. reps my man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monsterbox View Post
    its the low amount of estrogen possibly....I had okay libido on my last cycle of havoc...this cycle i've been using dhea, each time I take dhea dosage my libido is insane and my lethargy subsides
    Yep, DHEA will help with this. Thatís why we recommend the Dermacrine with most of these exotic prohormones that produce lethargy or reduced libido.

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