test e + water retention
- 09-30-2008, 01:41 AM
test e + water retention
500mg test E -e/w. first pin was the 11th.
For those of you with Test E experience, did you guys get quite a bit of water retention? I look quite a bit fatter since being on this. Really quite discouraging. Also my strength has gone up since being on, but my weight has barely risen. how long before you experienced mass gain?
- 09-30-2008, 04:10 AM
Unless you take an AI, preferably arimidex 0.25 ED you will hold quite a lot of water on testosterone. Alternatively you can use 10 mg of nolvadex ED or one of the over the counter AIs such as 6-OXO or ATD.
The reason you need to control estrogen while on a cycle of testosterone is because testosterone aromatises to estrogen contributing to high circulating levels of estrogen while on testosterone.
In any case ensure you have nolvadex on hand in case you develop initial signs of gynecomastia. Initial signs include tingling or itchiness around the nipples or a new lump behind the nipple.
It's wise to press, but not squeeze your nipples every day to check for a lump. If you squeeze your nipples you tend to bruise the tissue beneath the nipple and your nipples can tingle for days afterward.
The arimidex is the preferred option next to nolvadex throughout the cycle, but if you try one of the OTC AIs such as 6-OXO or ATD, you should report your results because while the manufacturers of OTC AIs claim their products are effective for the purposes of controlling estrogen while on cycle, nobody on this board to my knowledge has reported results confirming this.
- 09-30-2008, 04:13 AM
Also gains on long acting testosterone esters like ethanate and cypionate typically don't start until 2 weeks into your cycle and the testosterone continues to work for 2 weeks after you discontinue use.
Start PCT 2 weeks after your last shot to ensure all the testosterone has left your system.
09-30-2008, 04:21 AM
im almost 2 weeks into my test e cycle and have similar effects. slight strength gain and a little water retention but no weight gain, i actually lost a couple pounds when i first started. i cut cardio out completely and started using creatine to try and help. water retension isnt a big deal, atleast for me... i can run it off in a couple weeks maybe less no problem
09-30-2008, 04:37 AM
you wont feel full effect till the third week save the creatine for pct that will only add to the bloat. keep doing cardio at least twice a week. and eat you will get the best gains first cycle if you do it right
09-30-2008, 08:55 AM
Arimidex during cycle will keep the water away, and as Space mentioned, its usually 3 weeks or so to get rolling on enanthate...
09-30-2008, 11:08 AM
I have tamoxifen citrate on hand for pct and in case signs of gyno. no arimidex though. i guess i'll have to deal with the bloat. thanks for the replies guys!
09-30-2008, 11:18 AM
09-30-2008, 04:52 PM
09-30-2008, 06:44 PM
Im about to start my own TestE/Dbol cycle soon and have Letro for Estrogen control - Arimidex seems to be the most preferred here but is there that much of a difference between Arim and Letro?????
09-30-2008, 08:24 PM
09-30-2008, 08:37 PM
09-30-2008, 09:56 PM
yea crazy why people still use nolva on cycle, if they use arimidex the whole cycle and control estrogen there shouldnt be any flare up for gyno
if gyno appears then your out of luck, you can possibly raise the dose of the arimidex (as long as its not hard breast tissue it can be fixed with ADEX) to 1mg ED until it goes away.
nolva is crap, if you have gyno, and then use nolva, itll just prevent it from getting worse, it wont fix it.
the fix all solution to gyno is surgery, but if you control estrogen with ADEX, there should be no problem
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