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Im a newbie [sorry in advance] - Mods if this is in the wrong forum, please could you move it for me, I looked for the best place to post.
OK, so here in UK I've been buying M1T from a company on a regular basis for a couple of years, but apparently its become too hot to manufacture now, which is understandable. I still have a couple of bottles in my cupboard.
Now this company has just launched a replacment product which is meant to be some DHT derived androgen, massively effective for mass and strength, with virtual no liver toxicity. I can't find any literature on Google or net anywhere, and Im not a chemist. Can anyone take a look at this designer PH and let me know what it is/might do?
17-beta-hydroxy-androstan-4-one at 10mg per capsule.
Would this be a good M1T replacment?
(I know a lot of people don't like M1T cos it's toxic as hell and you have to sing to your nuts every night, but heh, Ive used some serious harsh AAS and have been training 20 years, and know what Im doing for on-cycle and off-cycle support).
Many thanks for any info,
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Yeah, it could be real exciting, I know their M1T was good. And if this produces the same kind of results, and it doesn't look methylated, it could be one neat designer PH...if they're not pulling some knock off of something else. I wish Id studies chemistry harder!
If it's a DHT derivative, you must have meant:
This looks very interesting. I'm not really sure what the effect of a 4-keto group would be.
Here's what it would look like:
Thank you for that info!
I double checked the label and the nomaclature is as I wrote for the ingredient....could the manufacturer be releasing a bogus compound? Or could they have just wrote the compound incorrectly (maybe even to keep the formula secret)?
The product is called Tren-BOMB and the write up does suggest it converts to some sort of hybrid between Trenbolone, Winstrol and Primo.
Is it worth taking something like this before anyone knows the effects, or could one do some serious harm?
Manufactured by a brand called S.W. Pharmatex...I also think they make for Pharma Labs in the UK
Also, this is an active steroid. There is no conversion needed. This compound is also very different from the three compounds they compare it to.
To get a better idea of what this is simlar to, it is closest in structure to DHT. the only difference being that DHT has a 3-keto group (oxygen double bonded to carbon 3) and this compound has a 4-keto group.
However, the fact that this is similar in structure to DHT tells us very little. Remember that even small changes in structure can completely change the way the steroid acts.
I can't see this compound being dangerous, but personally i would maybe hold off untill some more info is availible.
Thank you very much for the detailed responses. So this is a DHT similar steroid, not a pro-hormone, that may have unkown effects on the body, but it definately is not methylated and so is not liver toxic.
I have just received the bottle in the post. I think what Ill do is wait a couple of weeks and keep digging for info, before starting a log on this compound since it appears completely new.
If what the manufacturer claims, in that the results are comparable (muscle and strength gains) to M1T without the side effects, this could be pretty hot!
Then again...it could be a load of rubbish.
Cant find this product......
Bought some of this on friday, aparently it had only arrived in the country that day. Anyway been using it since then and had an awesome session in the gym last night!
Reminds me of the effects i used to get from M1T, pumped up like crazy then too!
Where have you bought it?
Got it from a shop in Bury, don't think they have a website. Think it's called fitness factory...
Hows your cycle going Fleck? Is it possible this is just M1T in a disguise if it feels the same?
Im eager to try mine but was really hoping it was no methylated like M1T, but now Im concerned. I looked at the MuscleFinesse stuff. Ive been told that users find this one really weak, so it might be fake....what do you guys think?
S.W. Pharmatex is a good company. There m-1-t is good stuff.