epistane and back pumps?

[parkwaytrash]

i am thinking about epistane as my next cycle and was looking for any info about epistane users having back pumps

while on superdrol my back pumps were so bad it has made me rethink using it for my next cycle

i heard that taurine would help. i heard that bananas would help. i heard that i needed to drink more water (i dont think that was possible). nothing helped


thanks

 

[dsade]

Taurine and potassium definitely help. Back pumps are nowhere near Superdrol level.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Taurine and potassium definitely help. Back pumps are nowhere near Superdrol level.

Agree back pumps on Havoc should not be as bad 3-5g of taurine would help also drink lots of water.:head:

 

[crazyfool405]

try quinine (theres some in tonic water) this can help with the pumps better then taurine.

 

[dsade]

try quinine (theres some in tonic water) this can help with the pumps better then taurine.

Interesting..never heard this one.

Do you recommend skipping the Gin?

 

[crazyfool405]

Interesting..never heard this one.

Do you recommend skipping the Gin?

yessir lol itll cause dehydration, and make the bak pumps worse, but u already know that

 

[Rugger]

No back pumps here, only neck pumps.

 

[DAdams91982]

Epistane makes my junk HUGE!!!

Adams

 

[poopypants]

I would look into Poseidon to ensure cellular hydration and really help prevent/alleviate back pumps... extra taurine and potassium on top of that arent bad and of course lots o water...

also as dsade mentioned these back pumps are seldom (were for me while taking poseidon) and no where near as intense as SD backpumps... those are naaaaasty

 

[Silver3CSRT8]

I am into week 5 of Epistane at 50mg and the back pumps are less than M-Drol at 30mg. With M-Drol I had to stop workouts due to the pumps. I have not had that issue with Epi.

 

[papapumpsd]

One of the reasons I quit my Epi early was due to the debilitating back pumps (and acne which I CANNOT stand). I was slugging H2O, Taurine (2-4g pre-WO), stretching, etc. Nothing seemed to help.

 

[poopypants]

what dose were you running by chance?

 

[crazilyfter42]

Epi gave me back/calves pumps and thats about it. No real strength or weight gain at all. Ran it at 40mgs ED. Taurine and water helped but didn't eliminate the pumps. Running was difficult but lifting wise I was fine.

 

[A_I_Sports_Nutrition]

Epi gave me back/calves pumps and thats about it. No real strength or weight gain at all. Ran it at 40mgs ED. Taurine and water helped but didn't eliminate the pumps. Running was difficult but lifting wise I was fine.

If you ran Epi at 40mg ED and got pumps and no gain then you were doing something wrong.

 

[parkwaytrash]

well i ran superdrol at 30mg, take in about 2.5 tp 3 gal of water. the back pumps got real bad.

i did some searching and found out about the taurine. i started with 1gram per day and went up to 3grams. that didnt help. tried the banana/potasium thing . that didn't help.

if what i hear about epi is true (less back pumps vs superdrol), then i'll do epi.

hell i'm gonna try it anyway!!

thanks for the info guys

 

[dsade]

well i ran superdrol at 30mg, take in about 2.5 tp 3 gal of water. the back pumps got real bad.

i did some searching and found out about the taurine. i started with 1gram per day and went up to 3grams. that didnt help. tried the banana/potasium thing . that didn't help.

if what i hear about epi is true (less back pumps vs superdrol), then i'll do epi.

hell i'm gonna try it anyway!!

thanks for the info guys

Agreed...no use taking something that will increase gains, but make it impossible/miserable to work out. I ended up trashing all of the Superdrol I had.

Havoc is WAY milder in terms of sides.

 

[Rugger]

If you ran Epi at 40mg ED and got pumps and no gain then you were doing something wrong.

:goodpost:

 

[crazilyfter42]

If you ran Epi at 40mg ED and got pumps and no gain then you were doing something wrong.

Trust me I wasn't doing anything wrong I have been working out for a long time and know what I am doing. I guess I just don't respond to it. I am not the only one on this board thats had this problem w/ this compound. These things do react differently w/ everyone. Aside from the unwanted pumps the only thing else I got out of it was a slight "pump" in the gym and slight vascularity.

 

[SoCo4Fun]

I thought I was getting really bad back pumps from epi...but then I got a 102.6 degree fever and realized I was getting sick...hahaha.

 

[Brolic]

whats the beest form of potassium pills or bannas

 

[SoCo4Fun]

Did you seriously just ask what the best form of bananas is? I've heard they come as suppositories...give those a try

 

[Rugger]

He meant: What is the best form of potassium, pills or bananas?

Did you seriously not realize that?

 

[SoCo4Fun]

He meant: What is the best form of potassium, pills or bananas?

Did you seriously not realize that?

HAHAHAHA...I assumed that's what he meant...he must be drunk or something judging by the way he wrote that...

 

[Brolic]

He meant: What is the best form of potassium, pills or bananas?

Did you seriously not realize that?

thanks rugger...

 

[tribaltek]

Found this list online. Maybe it'll help you out?

Foods Highest in Potassium (per 200 Calories)
1.LEAVENING AGENTS,CRM OF TARTAR : 12790.7mg of Potassium
2.TEA,INST,UNSWTND,PDR : 5153.1mg of Potassium
3.PARSLEY,FREEZE-DRIED : 4649.4mg of Potassium
4.CHERVIL,DRIED : 4000mg of Potassium
5.CORIANDER LEAF,DRIED : 3201.4mg of Potassium
6.CELERY FLAKES,DRIED : 2751.1mg of Potassium
7.PARSLEY,DRIED : 2757.2mg of Potassium
8.COFFEE,INST,REG,PDR : 2933.6mg of Potassium
9.RADISHES,ORIENTAL,DRIED : 2578.6mg of Potassium
10.TEA,INST,UNSWTND,LEMON-FLAVORED,PDR : 2325.3mg of Potassium
11.SPICES,BASIL,DRIED : 2735.5mg of Potassium
12.TOMATOES,SUN-DRIED : 2656.6mg of Potassium
13.COFFEE,INST,W/CHICORY,PDR : 1934.5mg of Potassium
14.DILL WEED,DRIED : 2615mg of Potassium
15.PEPPERS,SWT,RED,FREEZE-DRIED : 2019.1mg of Potassium
16.KRAFT,CRYSTAL LT SG FR LO CAL SOFT DRK MIX LEMONAD,W/SWN,PDR : 2750.9mg of Potassium
17.ORANGE-FLAVOR DRK,BRKFST TYPE,LO CAL,PDR : 2886.6mg of Potassium
18.SPICES,TARRAGON,DRIED : 2047.5mg of Potassium
19.CHIVES,FREEZE-DRIED : 1903.5mg of Potassium
20.COCOA MIX,W/ ASPT,LO CAL,PDR,W/ ADD CA P,WO/ ADD NA OR VIT A : 1505.3mg of Potassium
21.YEAST EXTRACT SPREAD : 3291.1mg of Potassium
22.SOY FLOUR,LOW-FAT : 1381.7mg of Potassium
23.SOY FLR,LOW-FAT,CRUDE PROT BASIS (N x 6.25) : 1393mg of Potassium
24.TEA,INST,SWTND W/NA SACCHARIN,LEMON-FLAV,PDR,DECAFFEINATED : 1508.9mg of Potassium
25.CARROT,DEHYDRATED : 1489.7mg of Potassium
26.TURMERIC,GROUND : 1426.6mg of Potassium
27.FRUIT-FLAVORED DRK,PDR,W/HI VIT C,LO CAL - SEE14404 : 2218.5mg of Potassium
28.SOY FLOUR,FULL-FAT,RAW : 1153.7mg of Potassium
29.SOY FLR,FULL-FAT,RAW,CRUDE PROT BASIS (N X 6.25) : 1159mg of Potassium
30.COCOA,DRY PDR,HI-FAT OR BRKFST,PROC W/ALKALI : 1701mg of Potassium
31.MOLASSES,BLACKSTRAP : 2120.9mg of Potassium
32.SOY MEAL,DEFATTED,RAW,CRUDE PROT BASIS (N X 6.25) : 1477.7mg of Potassium
33.COFFEE SUB,CRL GRAIN BEV,PDR : 1357.2mg of Potassium
34.PEPPER,ANCHO,DRIED : 1716mg of Potassium
35.LEEKS,(BULB&LOWER-LEAF PORTION),FREEZE-DRIED : 1495.3mg of Potassium
36.SOY FLR,DEFATTED,CRUDE PROT BASIS (N X 6.25) : 1458.1mg of Potassium
37.SOY FLOUR,DEFATTED : 1444.8mg of Potassium
38.PAPRIKA : 1622.1mg of Potassium
39.WHEY,ACID,DRIED : 1350.4mg of Potassium
40.DAIRY DRK MIX,CHOC,RED CAL,W/ASPRT,PDR : 1503.4mg of Potassium
41.PEPPERS,PASILLA,DRIED : 1288.1mg of Potassium
42.SOY PROT CONC,PRODUCED BY ALCOHOL EXTRACTION : 1330.5mg of Potassium
43.BEVERAGE,MILKSHAKE MIX,DRY,NOT CHOC : 1341.5mg of Potassium
44.SISYMBRIUM SP. SEEDS,WHL,DRIED : 1339.6mg of Potassium
45.WHEY,SWEET,DRIED : 1178.5mg of Potassium
46.SOY FLR,FULL-FAT,RSTD : 925.6mg of Potassium
47.PEPPER,RED OR CAYENNE : 1266.7mg of Potassium
48.BREADNUTTREE SEEDS,DRIED : 1095.9mg of Potassium
49.LEAVENING AGENTS,YEAST,BAKER'S,ACTIVE DRY : 1355.9mg of Potassium
50.GELATIN DSSRT,DRY MIX,RED CAL,W/ ASPRT,ADDED P,K,NA,VIT C : 1150.7mg of Potassium
51.TOMATO POWDER : 1276.2mg of Potassium
52.SPEARMINT,DRIED : 1350.2mg of Potassium
53.COCOA MIX,NESTLE,CARNATION NO SUGAR HOT COCOA MIX : 1052.6mg of Potassium
54.CHILI POWDER : 1220.4mg of Potassium
55.MEAT EXTENDER : 1215.3mg of Potassium
56.PEPPERS,HOT CHILE,SUN-DRIED : 1154.3mg of Potassium
57.COTTONSEED MEAL,PART DEFATTED (GLANDLESS) : 1018.5mg of Potassium
58.COFFEE&COCOA (MOCHA) PDR,W/WHTNR&LO CAL SWTNR : 1444.4mg of Potassium
59.APRICOTS,DEHYD (LOW-MOISTURE),SULFURED,UNCKD : 1156.2mg of Potassium
60.POTATOES,MSHD,DEHYD,GRANULES W/MILK,DRY FORM : 1032.4mg of Potassium
61.PALM HEARTS,RAW : 3140.9mg of Potassium
62.SOYBEANS,MATURE SEEDS,RAW : 863.9mg of Potassium
63.BEANS,WHITE,MATURE SEEDS,RAW : 1078.1mg of Potassium
64.MILK,DRY,NONFAT,REG,WO/ VIT A : 991.2mg of Potassium
65.CUMIN SEED : 953.6mg of Potassium
66.COTTONSEED FLR,PART DEFATTED (GLANDLESS) : 987.2mg of Potassium
67.LIMA BNS,LRG,MATURE SEEDS,RAW : 1020.1mg of Potassium
68.SAFFRON : 1112.3mg of Potassium
69.KRAFT,CRYSTAL LT SUGAR FREE LO CAL ICED TEA MIX,W/ASPRT,PDR : 1212mg of Potassium
70.MILK,DRY,NONFAT,INST,WO/ VIT A : 952.5mg of Potassium
71.BEVERAGE,INST BRKFST PDR,CHOC,SUGAR-FREE,NOT RECON : 952.5mg of Potassium
72.FENNEL SEED : 982mg of Potassium
73.SPICES,OREGANO,DRIED : 1090.8mg of Potassium
74.SHALLOTS,FREEZE-DRIED : 948.3mg of Potassium
75.POTATO CHIPS,FAT FREE,SALTED : 859.1mg of Potassium
76.ONIONS,DEHYDRATED FLAKES : 929.5mg of Potassium
77.KRAFT,GENERAL FOODS INTRN COFF SGR&FT FR MOCHA FLV INST,W/A : 949.6mg of Potassium
78.SOY PROT ISOLATE,K TYPE : 975.5mg of Potassium
79.KANPYO,(DRIED GOURD STRIPS) : 1226.4mg of Potassium
80.COCOA,DRY PDR,HI-FAT OR BRKFST,PLN : 1052.8mg of Potassium
81.TOMATOES,SUN-DRIED,PACKED IN OIL,DRND : 1469.5mg of Potassium
82.CURRY POWDER : 949.5mg of Potassium
83.BEANS,SML WHITE,MATURE SEEDS,RAW : 917.9mg of Potassium
84.MUSHROOMS,SHIITAKE,DRIED : 1036.5mg of Potassium
85.SOUP,MINESTRONE,DEHYD,DRY : 854.7mg of Potassium
86.COCOA,DRY PDR,UNSWTND : 1331mg of Potassium
87.MARJORAM,DRIED : 1123.2mg of Potassium
88.PUDDINGS,CHOC FLAVOR,LO CAL,REG,DRY MIX : 975.3mg of Potassium
89.BEANS,BLACK TURTLE SOUP,MATURE SEEDS,RAW : 885mg of Potassium
90.BANANAS,DEHYD,OR BANANA PDR : 861.8mg of Potassium
91.BEANS,KIDNEY,CALIFORNIA RED,MATURE SEEDS,RAW : 903mg of Potassium
92.RICE BRAN,CRUDE : 939.9mg of Potassium
93.BEANS,BLACK,MATURE SEEDS,RAW : 869.8mg of Potassium
94.MOLASSES : 1009.7mg of Potassium
95.BEANS,PINK,MATURE SEEDS,RAW : 853.6mg of Potassium
96.COD,ATLANTIC,DRIED&SALTED : 1005.5mg of Potassium
97.ANISE SEED : 855.2mg of Potassium
98.KRAFT,JELLO SGR FR CK&SRV RED CAL PUD&PIE FLNG CHOC,W/ A : 896.8mg of Potassium
99.SEAWEED,SPIRULINA,DRIED : 940mg of Potassium
100.SNACKS,POTATO CHIPS,FAT-FREE,MADE W/OLESTRA : 973.6mg of Potassium
101.CEREALS RTE,QUAKER,KRETSCHMER TSTD WHEAT BRAN : 1284mg of Potassium
102.CORIANDER SEED : 850.3mg of Potassium
103.PEPPER,BLACK : 987.5mg of Potassium
104.BREADNUTTREE SEEDS,RAW : 1090.3mg of Potassium
105.WHEAT BRAN,CRUDE : 1094.4mg of Potassium
106.APRICOTS,DRIED,SULFURED,UNCKD : 964.3mg of Potassium
107.BREADFRUIT SEEDS,ROASTED : 1045.4mg of Potassium
108.CEREALS RTE,KELLOGG,KELLOGG'S ALL-BRAN W/ EX FIBER : 1093.8mg of Potassium

 

[poopypants]

nice compilation of high potassium foods!

Wonder how many of those have a corresponding high level of sodium as well.

 

[ryaroberts]

NAC and milk thistle made my back pumps go away.

 

[Rugger]

I had no back pumps, but I had neck pumps. now THOSE were painful

 

[Bfaber]

I had no back pumps, but I had neck pumps. now THOSE were painful

I'm one week in at 30 mg, and I cannot agree more. I had to stop my leg workout early yesterday because I couldnt even stand having the bar on my back during squats, and I was only able to do reps at 225 when I usually do them around 315. It got pretty bad on other days during deadlifts too, and to a lesser extent during benching. It seems to be worst though when I take a 20mg dose pre-workout as opposed to spreading it out evenly.

 

[monsterbox]

i had jaw pumps, yes, jaw pumps. Ill Say it one more time. Jaw pumps.

When I went to eat borrito's at moes and I opened my mouth wide, the muscles under my chin would cramp up rock hard almost to the point of making me cry.

 

[crazyfool405]

i had jaw pumps, yes, jaw pumps. Ill Say it one more time. Jaw pumps.

When I went to eat borrito's at moes and I opened my mouth wide, the muscles under my chin would cramp up rock hard almost to the point of making me cry.

i LOVE MOeS!!!!

 

[glg]

I have read many posts involving painful back pumps and always wondered what the relationship was in terms of the severity and the type of lift.

I.E. deadlifts, hyperextensions, leg curls or any other lift that directly or majorly involves the low back.

Does one of these seem to trigger the pain/pump more than another?