not feelin it!
- 09-23-2008, 11:21 AM
- 09-23-2008, 11:42 AM
30mg should be plenty for 175 lbs
what is your diet and training like, what compounds have you used before, what did you "feel" from them
- 09-23-2008, 11:45 AM
09-23-2008, 11:58 AM
my diet is pretty on point..im eating five full meals a day, plenty of protien shakes in between...training about 5 days a week on a three day split between chest, shoulders back n legs, n then bi's tri's n forearms. I keep reps in the 6-8 range n do 4 sets of all exercises n do about 6 exercises per day. This is my first cycle, i trained for 5 years naturally. I just dont feel like im "ON" anything, i havnt made any real improvements.
09-23-2008, 12:06 PM
09-23-2008, 12:18 PM
2 cups of oatmeal, bananna, protein shake
1 lb chicken breast, baked potato
1/2 lb spaghetti, meatballs,salad
Assorted fruit salad, protein shake
1 lb chicken breast, baked potato
This is what im eating today
09-23-2008, 12:53 PM
what brand are you taking? is it the original AX, or a clone? your diet looks ok, depending on how tall you are, but it's not bad.
09-23-2008, 01:05 PM
I would also make sure I was taking 6-8g of fish oil per day, you gotta have some good fats.
09-23-2008, 02:33 PM
lets not get distracted here, the point of the thread is not diet it's being "on" PP for 3 weeks and not feeling anything. getting a sample of his diet was a valid point though.
09-23-2008, 02:55 PM
09-23-2008, 02:58 PM
how are your gains?
i never felt "on" i actually never feel ON
i also didnt gain as much as i woulda thought with my PPLEX / MDROL bridge. only 10 pounds, not bad, PCT starts tonight, i also leaned out a little.
but i went up to 57.6 mg on my pplex,....
09-23-2008, 03:03 PM
When I ran PPlex @ 30mg ed I gained about 10 pounds in the first 10 days, and i was 240 pounds when i started. A lot of it was bloat, but i could tell SOMETHING was happening.
09-23-2008, 03:05 PM
09-23-2008, 03:28 PM
09-23-2008, 03:33 PM
im taking CEL p-plex...i get about 6-7 hours of sleep per night and there is nothing wrong with my training..ive done extensive research over the years n have settled into a good routine...im the guy that all the other guys accuse of taking roids when i never have up until now...all of my measurements and strength is that of guys 20 or so lbs heavier than me..i have bird legs
09-23-2008, 03:35 PM
09-23-2008, 03:52 PM
Arms: 4x dumbell curls
4x wide grip barbell curls
4x hammer curls
4x cross body hammer
4x skull crusher
4x overhead tricep extensions
4x cable push-downs
Chest: 4x bench
4x dumbell flys
4x straight arm barbell pull over
4x incline bench
4x cable cross overs
Back/Shoulders: 4x lateral arm raises
4x front dumbell raise
4x bent rear delt row
4x dead lift
4x shoulder press
4x bent rear delt raise
09-23-2008, 04:24 PM
09-23-2008, 04:28 PM
09-23-2008, 04:30 PM
09-23-2008, 04:31 PM
09-23-2008, 04:54 PM
my strength is only up very slightly...but i dont know if that was just a placebo effect since i knew what i was taking...its not enough to tell...ill try cutting down my sets and see if that helps
09-23-2008, 05:21 PM
i'm sorry here folks, i don't see how any of this is getting any closer to identifying the situation, call me ignorant or whatever. listen man the only thing i can tell you is (like unreal machine said) maybe you are a non-responder to PP. hell i'm a non-responder to p-slin and AP (and yes my carb intake is in line), my point is this, sometimes certain compounds don't do anything to certain people. just like some compounds agree with some and not with others, i.e. superdrol, i love the stuff but a friend of mine can't take it. sorry you are having trouble with PP.
09-23-2008, 05:23 PM
09-23-2008, 06:30 PM
Most people do see results earlier but i've talked to others that did not see anything until day 20 or 21. I didn't see any results when I took phera-plex. That could be because I was taking EST's phera-vol.....product is questionable IMO.
09-23-2008, 06:56 PM
I don't respond to Epithios for example. Not much anyway. But SD, PP, work great, hehe.
I think his training is fine. Overtraining? It's hard to overtrain on steroids, on SD i bumped up my volume a lot and increased my training frequency and it felt like i could have done more... the muscle recovery was ridiculous.
Another thing. I've researched these compounds a lot. I mean i went to the top boards and ran a search on almost every compound and opened every thread that was 2+ pages long and read all of it. There's quite a few people who don't respond much at all to Phera Plex. PPlex is good and legit so i am guessing you don't respond well to it... but to answer your question, i don't see the harm in bumping up the dosage and running it a little longer to be sure. Have you noticed any testicular atrophy?
09-23-2008, 07:03 PM
09-23-2008, 07:12 PM
You won't respond to any steriod, oral or injectable unless your diet and training is where it needs to be. Steriods are not magic and will not automatically put size and weight on you. That comes from eating and training. Period.
09-23-2008, 09:43 PM
09-23-2008, 11:27 PM
to add, I took pplex and didnt see results typically experienced by many users, I think that I can add myself to the list of people that do not respond well to the compound. Mdrol was a kick, Hdrol was lackluster although I could have pushed the cycle to close to the previous which was a mdrol to pplex bridge.
09-24-2008, 10:38 AM
well i got to tell ya guys, when i take PP my mood and attitude improves, i get happy, and in a better mood (andronic effect) now when i take SD i get a bit more edgy, and a bit more quicker to lose my cool, not bad, but it's noticeable to me. now this happens whether i lift or not. so i'm thinking instead of being a non-responder, i might be someone who is ultra sensitive to PS/PH. like i said in my previous post, i feel these effects right away no matter what i'm doing (lifting or not). i stand corrected when stating that others might "be in the same boat", what is one way for one person does not mean it's the same for the next.....i'm always preaching that concept, i have just been reminded of it also. thx
09-24-2008, 11:24 AM
I really don't think i HAVE to be eating right and sleeping right to feel it. Regardless of those patterns, pumping my body full of steroids still gives me some real muscle hardness and the feeling that i'm pumped up 24/7, and you could still notice sides like libido, acne, shedding, aggression, sleep patterns. And like Lennoxchi said, the mental effects as well.
If you get NOTHING out of it, I would look beyond the diet and training. Which the OP does fine anyway.
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