To serm or not to serm during cycle??

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    To serm or not to serm during cycle??


    I'm going to be starting a bulking cycle here in the next few days. My nutritionist/ trainer is making me a clean bulk diet, routine, and cycle and would like to get your guys opinions before I talk to him. I'm very sensitive to d-bol with gyno issues, so should I serm nolva 10mg a day while taking the dbol? I dont have any AIs at this moment. What do you guys think?

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    that does sound like a good idea, only while on dbol though. how long are you running it? only dbol?
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    I might be using Clomid throughout my Sustanon 250 cycle that I have planned. I hear that using Clomid during a Sus250 cycle can help prevent testicular atrophy while 'on,' so you bet that I'll be taking that precautionary measure. I have Nolvadex for PCT.

    Your plan sounds like a good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleHeadGuy View Post
    I might be using Clomid throughout my Sustanon 250 cycle that I have planned. I hear that using Clomid during a Sus250 cycle can help prevent testicular atrophy while 'on,' so you bet that I'll be taking that precautionary measure. I have Nolvadex for PCT.

    Your plan sounds like a good one.
    some get moody while on clomid, ever taken it before?
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    i think your thinking of hCG while on to prevent testicular atrophy,

    something like 6 bromo every other day can help with estrogen control, if u use a SERM when u come off it, then youll get gyno because it just masks the problem of high estrogen it doesnt block it/ lower it
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    The cycle I'm sure will be a combo of test,deca,dbol and who else knows. I would only run it with the dbol and not the entire cycle.
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    nolva 10 mgs. ED should be fine. or a low dose AI. personally i would stick with nolva, no reason the kill estro, just control the sides. i dose like this when i take PP, i get estro related sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    nolva 10 mgs. ED should be fine. or a low dose AI. personally i would stick with nolva, no reason the kill estro, just control the sides. i dose like this when i take PP, i get estro related sides.

    your not killing estrogen at EOD. your controlling it. and by blocking the aromatization you get more of the drug. and less of the sides,

    if you do test, youll want to keep most of it, but still alloow some conversion to estrogen so you can gain continuosly
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    your not killing estrogen at EOD. your controlling it. and by blocking the aromatization you get more of the drug. and less of the sides,

    if you do test, youll want to keep most of it, but still alloow some conversion to estrogen so you can gain continuosly
    an AI lowers estrogen in the body, that was my reference to "killing estro" controling estro can be done by a SERM (nolva,clomid,torm) which will block the body's ability to use estro.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by lennoxchi View Post
    an AI lowers estrogen in the body, that was my reference to "killing estro" controling estro can be done by a SERM (nolva,clomid,torm) which will block the body's ability to use estro.....

    yea i understand, but at EOD you wont completly eliminate it, your not controling estrogen with nolva/clomid/torm because it just blocks the receptors, and leaves circulating estrogen, your controlling the chance of gyno without eliminating/ minimizing the initial cause. and that initial cause is high circulating estrogen, if you control it with EOD of adex you can keep higher levels of test in your body due to less aromatization and youll still have enough estro for a anabolic effect.
  

  
 

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