Test propionate as a first?

[tnick7]

Currently on PCT from an SD cycle, and taking a while off anabolic (around 6 months) but thinking I want my next cycle to be test. So far I only have experience with SD and Havoc (only OTC orals). They've been great for me but I think its time to move onwards and upwards.

I love short and sweet cycles. So this makes me lean towards test prop over test enanth/cyp.

Here's what I was I am looking at:

Cycle
Week 1-8: Test Prop @ 100mg EOD
Week 1-3: SD @ 20mg

PCT:
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20

So you can relate to doses I am 6"1 @ 217lbs, 14% bf. I'm bulking up around another 10lbs, then cutting down to below 10% bf, which is when I would cycle (hopefully around 210lbs @ 10% bf), with the goal of lean bulk.

Only downside I see is pinning EOD as oppose to twice a week. I also here prop is more painful to inject.

Any other problems with prop as a first time pinning?

How often would you have to rotate injection site?

With prop the ester's half-life is 4-5 days, so would I start PCT 4-5 days after?


IF I did do this it wouldnt be until March time (earliest), but nothing wrong with planning ahead

Any thoughts/suggestions/criticisms? Fire away...

[ozarkaBRAND]

No problems. It was my first as well

[holyintellect]

As Ive said, Prop is my favorite ester, and I honestly dont mind the sticking EOD...I also dont get the stereotypical painful injects either, so maybe you'll also be lucky there. Prop is just as appropiate for a first cycle as any other ester. The way I rotate my injection sites is to go right delt, left delt, right quad, left quad, and then repeat. I hardly ever do my glutes because its hard for me to reach, but when I do, my wife would do those for me. If you can do all those yourself, that gives you quite the rotation...

holy

[mixedup]

100mg/ml prop should be fine imo i love it i also love to do .5cc in my bi's on arm days

[tnick7]

No problems. It was my first as well

Thanks. How did it go? How long did you run it?

As Ive said, Prop is my favorite ester, and I honestly dont mind the sticking EOD...I also dont get the stereotypical painful injects either, so maybe you'll also be lucky there. Prop is just as appropiate for a first cycle as any other ester. The way I rotate my injection sites is to go right delt, left delt, right quad, left quad, and then repeat. I hardly ever do my glutes because its hard for me to reach, but when I do, my wife would do those for me. If you can do all those yourself, that gives you quite the rotation...

holy

Thanks Holy. Shoulders is something I think I would be absolutely fine with pinning. Glutes I could just reach, hopefully I wont be able to after the cycle though Quads I would be slightly nervous. I here its easy to hit a nerve. What about tri's, bi's and traps? Or are they more painful areas. So I'm guessing I basically want to rotate between 4-6 injection spots..

[holyintellect]

Ive never personally done any of those sites...I think there is too much risk compared to the others.

holy

[ozarkaBRAND]

It went good man. It was a 6 weeker and I learned how to pin real fast! Honestly, I think that EOD pinning is a good thing at first because it gets you really used to the whole pinning process.. Also helps you get acclimated to it mentally quicker.

[tnick7]

Ive never personally done any of those sites...I think there is too much risk compared to the others.

holy

Ok thanks, so best to stick to larger muscle groups.

It went good man. It was a 6 weeker and I learned how to pin real fast! Honestly, I think that EOD pinning is a good thing at first because it gets you really used to the whole pinning process.. Also helps you get acclimated to it mentally quicker.

Nice. Thats a good point, it may make the pinning process easier.

6 weeks is short, but an idea I would also entertain for sure. Maybe even:

1-6: Test prop @ 100mg EOD
1-2: SD @ 20mg

IME 2 weeks of SD is enough to get the majority of the gains. However I'm thinking those extra two weeks of Test may be worth it considering its my first go with Test.

If you dont mind, what was your pinning rotation (how many sites in your rotation)? If I could get away with 4 that would be great, but 6 is something I could accept

[ozarkaBRAND]

I started with 6, but dropped down to 4 after the first week when I thought I was going to die after hitting a nerve in my ventro.. lol.

So, I did quads and glutes and it worked out fine. Glutes were my fave, most painless by far. I like your 6 weeker idea, maybe even bump it to 150mg EOD in that case? I know I know I'm like ridiculous when it comes to short cycles, but I've read some good stuff. There's a huge thread on short cycles of test on AM, it's what changed my mind for sure.

[tnick7]

I started with 6, but dropped down to 4 after the first week when I thought I was going to die after hitting a nerve in my ventro.. lol.

So, I did quads and glutes and it worked out fine. Glutes were my fave, most painless by far. I like your 6 weeker idea, maybe even bump it to 150mg EOD in that case? I know I know I'm like ridiculous when it comes to short cycles, but I've read some good stuff. There's a huge thread on short cycles of test on AM, it's what changed my mind for sure.

haha, ozarka, you're famous for loving short cycles. I still have a long while to thing about it and read up more on injections.




I would think the plan would be to start:

L shoulder/25G/1 inch
R shoulder/25G/1 inch
L quad/23G/1 inch
R quad/23G/1 inch
L glute/23G/1.5 inch
R glute/23G/1.5 inch

Sound about right? Or do you think 23G/1.5inch for quads as well? Also could you do shoulders with a 27G/1 inch?

[nosnmiveins]

id say 1 inch 25g for delts, 1.5 inch 23g for glutes, 1 inch 23g for quads

[Royd The Noyd]

I would do at least 8 weeks. There is a potential that that first week or two is going to be hell for you and you'll miss a day or two of training b/c of prop pain.

25g 1in is enough for both quads and glutes unless your a fatty.

As a side note did you like your havoc run? I think something more androgenic feeling like Havoc would be a better oral then SD. SD to me (and maybe it does to you I dunno) doesnt feel androgenic at all. And test with something androgenic is oh so nice.

[metalman302]

As a side note did you like your havoc run? I think something more androgenic feeling like Havoc would be a better oral then SD. SD to me (and maybe it does to you I dunno) doesnt feel androgenic at all. And test with something androgenic is oh so nice.

Other way around for me.

Havoc I only felt "on" for the first couple days. Then came lots of size, strength, and training volume gains with no noticeable sides.

SD I felt "on" the whole time, skin real oily, libido way up, heard beat harder it felt like. But no gains though. Weird.

/hijack

[tnick7]

I would do at least 8 weeks. There is a potential that that first week or two is going to be hell for you and you'll miss a day or two of training b/c of prop pain.

25g 1in is enough for both quads and glutes unless your a fatty.

As a side note did you like your havoc run? I think something more androgenic feeling like Havoc would be a better oral then SD. SD to me (and maybe it does to you I dunno) doesnt feel androgenic at all. And test with something androgenic is oh so nice.

Thanks for the replies guys/

LOL, I'll have to make sure I get some good quality prop, not some horrible home brew then!!

By that time I should be 10% bf or lower so you think 25g 1in is ok for quads and glutes?

I did enjoy havoc, only side was acne in week 4, but I didn't run B5 or anything to prevent it. The only reason I went with SD is because I have some lying around.

But I'm definitely open to to change, even up for trying a new compound, but I dont want to go with something like dbol or drol. I dont want wet gains and temporary strength gains!

[ozarkaBRAND]

1" should be fine. Just get it all up in there!

[holyintellect]

Like I said, I dont do glutes but I always use 23 x 1 inch.

holy

[knucks3man]

I would run Arimidex or Nolva throughout the cycle......

[SoCo4Fun]

I would run Arimidex or Nolva throughout the cycle......

For 350mg test per week?

Unless you have pre-existing gyno or know you are prone I wouldn't.

[SoCo4Fun]

test prop is an awesome first cycle...it is by far my favorite ester...I've ran a ton of prop cycles...

[ozarkaBRAND]

It's my only ester, and thus far my favorite. Oh I shall miss the days of prop!

Gotta keep that shiz legal!