Possibly Gyno? Pics to go along. 16 year old
- 09-05-2008, 11:46 AM
Possibly Gyno? Pics to go along. 16 year old
Okay well i am 16 and i have been wondering for a while if i possibly have gotten gyno, because i have always noticed a bigger chest, since i have been young even though i was once pretty much obese for my age at like 8-13 its gotten a lot better since i have gotten older but i am unsure to get it checked out.
unflexed side view
flexed side view
side view whole body so u get idea of my fat percentage.
whole body front
please help me because i am concered if i possibly have it, it's nothing that could have been caused from steriod usage because i have noticed this before even weight lifting and never took roids, the closet thing to roids i have taken is epistane, which i took recently and i have pct, so it couldn't have been caused by that.
- 09-05-2008, 12:14 PM
- 09-05-2008, 12:21 PM
yeah unfortunately looks like you got a decent case of gyno goin on there, although the majority looks like fat with only minor tissue growth... If it sprang up after your epistane cycle then you woulda definately noticed it
most likely it's from puberty... you may have some luck with running a SERM/AI protocol, but in order to completely rid of it you may need surgury
check out some threads on AM about getting rid of gyno, theres sum good info on here
09-05-2008, 12:38 PM
09-05-2008, 12:39 PM
09-05-2008, 12:41 PM
That is a textbook case of pubescent gyno...The good news is that if you're only sixteen perhaps you can get it covered by your parents insurance? Please do yourself a favor, and be extremely careful if you run anything in the future...and I would stay as far away as any androgens as you can.
09-05-2008, 12:42 PM
09-05-2008, 12:46 PM
i also took cycle support while on it,
then post cycle support right now as well as fish oil, and multi vitmains just for my health, and u kno protein but that doesn't need to be mentions.
pct last a month, still on it.
well i had "moobs" since i was young once i get my hands on a pic from my moms house i will show u how much worse it was.
i am talking fat ass like in 3rd grade weighin in at about 155 5'2'' fat ass!
now i am 5'11'' 175-180
09-05-2008, 12:48 PM
09-05-2008, 12:48 PM
Lavender and Tea Tree Oils May Cause Breast Growth in Boys
A study published in this week’s issue of the New England Journal of Medicine suggests that repeated topical use of products containing lavender oil and/or tea tree oil may cause prepubertal gynecomastia, a rare condition resulting in enlarged breast tissue in boys prior to puberty, and for which a cause is seldom identified.
Researchers at the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), confirmed in laboratory studies what a pediatric endocrinologist at the University of Colorado at Denver and Health Science Center’s School of Medicine suspected after diagnosing three of his young male patients with prepubertal gynecomastia. The researchers found an association between the use of products containing these oils and the rare disorder, but cautioned more research is needed. At this point, the findings are only applicable to young males with unexplainable enlarged breasts who are regularly using products containing these essential oils.
"We want to encourage doctors who may be seeing patients with gynecomastia to ask their patients about the products they are using. Patients with prepubertal gynecomastia may want to consider reducing the use of products that contain these oils,” said Ken Korach, Ph.D., chief, Laboratory Reproductive and Developmental Toxicology at NIEHS and author on the study. “Although we found an association between exposure to these essential oils and gynecomastia, further research is needed to determine the prevalence of prepubertal gynecomastia in boys using products containing lavender and tea tree oils. Results of such epidemiological studies are important to tell us how strong the association is between topical application of the oils and prepubertal gynecomastia”
The three otherwise healthy Caucasian boys, ages four, seven and 10 years, had normal hormonal levels when they were diagnosed with gynecomastia by Clifford Bloch, M.D., in Colorado. All had either used lavender-scented soap and skin lotions, or shampoos or styling products that contained tea tree oil and lavender oil as ingredients. In each case, several months after the suspected products were discontinued, the gynecomastia had subsided or resolved.
After Bloch discussed the cases with Korach, the NIEHS researchers conducted experiments using human cells to determine if the oils mimic the effects of estrogen, the female hormone that stimulates breast tissue growth, or inhibited the effects of androgen, the hormone known to control masculine characteristics and inhibit the growth of breast tissue. The researchers tested the ability of the oils to modulate or inhibit gene expression.
“The results of our laboratory studies confirm that pure lavender and tea tree oils can mimic the actions of estrogens and inhibit the effects of androgens,” said Korach. “This combinatorial activity makes them somewhat unique as endocrine disruptors.”
Bloch said the laboratory studies support his hypothesis. “Since there was no identifiable cause for prepubertal gynecomastia in the three patients we reported, we speculated that environmental factors might be contributing to their condition. Together, the case histories and NIEHS in vitro studies provide support for our hypothesis that topical exposure to lavender and tea tree oils likely caused gynecomastia in the three patients.”
The oils did not alter the levels of the usual forms of circulating estrogens and androgens in the boys. “We do not anticipate any long term effects on hormonal levels,” said Derek Henley, Ph.D., the lead NIEHS author on the study. It is unknown whether the oils have similar endocrine disrupting effects in prepubertal girls, adolescents or adults.
“This study clearly demonstrates how clinical observations can be supported by basic science research,” said NIEHS Director David A. Schwartz, M.D.
These essential oils might now be considered endocrine disruptors since they appeared to have caused an imbalance in estrogen and androgen signaling. Endocrine disruptors are naturally occurring compounds or synthetic chemicals that may interfere with the production or activity of hormones of the endocrine system leading to adverse health effects.
The National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), a component of the National Institutes of Health, supports research to understand the effects of the environment on human health. For more information on environmental health topics, please visit our website at http://www.niehs.nih.gov/.
The National Institutes of Health (NIH) — The Nation's Medical Research Agency — includes 27 Institutes and Centers and is a component of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. It is the primary federal agency for conducting and supporting basic, clinical and translational medical research, and it investigates the causes, treatments, and cures for both common and rare diseases. For more information about NIH and its programs, visit www.nih.gov.
Reference: Henley D, Lipson N, Korach K, Bloch C. Prepubertal Gynecomastia Linked to Lavender and Tea Tree Oils. New England Journal of Medicine, Feb. 1, 2007.
09-05-2008, 12:50 PM
09-05-2008, 12:51 PM
09-05-2008, 12:52 PM
09-05-2008, 12:59 PM
09-05-2008, 01:00 PM
Ya, SERM is the first thing that pops into my head. Torm (toremifene) is a very good one. 120mg/day would be a substantial dose, but it is not excessive in my experience.
The second thing that occurs to me is doing as much as you can in the "get shredded" category of workouts. To get shredded, I would do cardio for 30 minutes, four times per week. For you, focus on the elliptical machine, which gets the upper body into the equation and allows you to use the "pushing muscles" of the chest. To change things up, I would make at least one cardio workout something fun like jogging or swimming.
For weight workouts, focus on compound movements, i.e. power lifting. My absolute favorite is power clean to push press. You can slow it down to change it up. Try doing this twice a week. Don't overdo it, and prepare to be sore. My reason for recommending power lifting is that it generates more muscle mass than any other type of exercise, and muscle is a fat-burning furnace.
On the other side of the spectrum, make sure to do some "get toned" type of exercises, whether bodyweight stuff like pullups, dips, pushups, or the machines that I am sure your gym has in abundance.
Now, there are also a variety of fat burners out there, but I am ecto: i.e. not the guy to ask.
In terms of diet, try shifting to a lower carb regimen. On the one hand, I think the very low carb diets are unnecessarily unpleasant, but on the other, I think that carbohydrates are the main source of the American overweight pandemic.
Based on your pics, I would suggest getting as shredded as possible, don't worry too much about your weight, maybe drop 5-10 pounds.
All the best...
09-05-2008, 01:12 PM
well right now i just switched up my program and it's makeing me sore as hell there is a lot of compound movement in it, 6-10 reps
its a 2 day split routine,
i can start throwing in some cardio though, and work on cutting.
09-05-2008, 02:37 PM
if you work on cutting to get down to 8% BF range, you will know for sure if its gyno and not just chest fat. At that point, you'll want to see a doctor, if you don't go now. Have you had your BF checked? What % are you? You can see your abs poking through, its highly unlikely that your man boobs are just chest fat. However, i'm not an expert. Given that you are 16, I wouldn't fcuk around with anything hormone related.
PS, Epistane IS A STEROID.
09-05-2008, 02:43 PM
09-05-2008, 02:45 PM
Here is what you do....if you're parents are unaware of the situation, do a quick google on gyno...DO NOT PRINT THEM ANYTHING FROM STEROID SITES. Show them what it is and how its caused...ask if they would set you up an appointment with the doctor (most likely you are still seeing a pediatrician). There is a distinct possibility that insurance can cover this. The surgery isnt much, and if its done by a good doctor doesnt even leave a scar. Dude, even the Rock had gyno surgically removed....As a matter of fact, there is a video thread over on MD where John Romano documents having his taken out...obviously his is different than yours, but you'll get the picture...
09-05-2008, 03:09 PM
i could probably give that a shot, i will get my bf done, pretty far hit the cardio and lower the carbs a bit keep my meals around 5-6 a day and calories to about 2,500 with cardio 4 days a week and lifting 4 days a week.
i dont have an accurate way to measure my bf though what way do u recommend?
09-05-2008, 03:12 PM
09-05-2008, 03:18 PM
09-05-2008, 06:50 PM
I'm amazed that only one person has really chimed in regarding this 16 year old taking Epistane. Is no one else as shocked as I am right now?
09-05-2008, 07:10 PM
j0sh710...If this helps, good. I saw a really interesting program on the Discovery Channel about a kid with gyno, and he was way, way fat. You are not. You look like you have a case of gyno, like holy said, a pubescent case. I don't think gyno would manifest that quickly to that degree from any kind of steroid, let alone an OTC.
The kid that had it was likely 30% bf or something. His insurance paid for it because of mental stress, and I'd venture to say that they'd pay for yours because it's not really "cosmetic" like a nose job or some kind of surgery like that.
Definitely see a doc, and don't be embarassed, that's what they're there for. Wait to be embarassed till you're older, and you've flown with some dirty birds like I have, and you have a real reason to be embarassed at the doctor, if you know what I mean.....
Good luck man.
09-06-2008, 01:34 PM
thanks man that really helps! i am glad you didn't bash me like some other dicks, at least i dont drink and smoke weed every weekend, i don't at all, i mean i know it really dumb but so is doign all those other drugs, i am actually possibly seeing the doctor 2morrow. i talked to my dad about it.
i would just be worried about the surgery, even watching them give me stitches gets me light headed....
09-06-2008, 01:42 PM
09-06-2008, 02:21 PM
and if i ever did get them, would i rather **** up my lungs possibly cancer aka smokeing or get something doing steriods once and never getting anything ****ed up with me because they were mild ones.
and for all u **** heads who are going to be like did u have all tests, seeing where ur test are and stuff i know i didn't have them but i know i am fine, since i have been off them i haven't lost anything, just gained more
09-06-2008, 02:45 PM
just because you feel fine don mean you are. Test maybe your a teen your test produces like crazy. Now how do your lipids feel? wait.....cant judge that one yet.
But I wish you the best of luck man. MOOBS isn't the worst thing steroids cause, they can be cured with a mix of SERM/AI if its small enough or other natural ways, but in worst case a doc can fix you for good. Now dealing with shutdown, liver damage, brain chemistry(its possible), shutdown, all that can have a much more complicated effect on you....
But like they said yours looks pubescent, and I don't think Epi could cause it like that from a one time cycle, and you had em before Epi anyhow.
Best of luck mate, I think you will be ok though. But RESEARCH a product before you buy/use it. You should know things like Epistane are roids.
On the ingrediants if you see a big scientific looking mix of short names an dnumbers seperated by "-" be weary lol. And anything that is 17a is dangerous to your liver.
09-06-2008, 02:55 PM
09-06-2008, 03:42 PM
Your 16 dude, you have about 30+ more natural pounds, when I was 16 I was 5'11 215lb, just to give you an idea about whats doable naturally.
And "i am sure i am fine." Not possible to know without blood.
09-06-2008, 03:49 PM
no it didn't come more noticeable, i decided to ask now, because i have been embarrassed to ever bring up, now i am little more self cofident, u want some pics of me before i even worked out?
ya and you also probably lifted more then me i lifted 1 year.
i really am i worked.
i weigh 180,
i really didn't gain much from epistane btw.
09-06-2008, 03:51 PM
09-06-2008, 03:55 PM
09-06-2008, 03:58 PM
me before lifting
and me before takeing anything still with it
july 2, 2007
jan 2, 2008
may 26, 2008
jun 26, 2008
8-2-08 just began cycle maybe a few days or week into
there u go, i just didn't ask because i didn't.
09-06-2008, 04:00 PM
09-06-2008, 04:03 PM
09-06-2008, 04:18 PM
TBH OP, the cycle looks like it made your gyno much worse. IDK why you are being rude to futurepilot, he's helping out. Just because he's more straight talking, and you dont like what you hear, doesnt give you the right to be rude. Your not even allowed to post here, yet he and others have helped you and mods havent closed it. Count your lucky stars.
09-06-2008, 04:35 PM
Man you need to back off and show some respect. I've read a lot of futurepilot's posts, he is very knowledgeable and is TRYING to HELP you. Just because he doesn't sugar coat it doesn't mean he isn't right.
Last edited by SoCo4Fun; 09-06-2008 at 04:36 PM. Reason: typo
09-06-2008, 04:37 PM
09-06-2008, 04:39 PM
Gotta agree with them there, man.
It's tough hearing hard talk, and I don't think futurepilot was trying to smack on you at all, but rather help you and give you perspective. I've seen guys on other boards totally trash people and make fun of them. I'd hate to see you get kicked from this board because there's a lot of guys on here that have nothing but YOUR best interest at hand, despite not knowing you from a hole in the wall.
I gave you reps for having the nutz to post pics of yourself. Now, try to chill a bit, and realize what these guys are trying to do.
Believe me, it's not make you look stupid or to make you feel bad.
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