Can i use superdrol alone? need your opinions
- 09-05-2008, 09:42 AM
- 09-05-2008, 09:49 AM
I think Dhea can counter some lethargy sides. Superdrol is pretty harsh on the liver, so most users condone use by itself. Unless you try something that is by inj or topical.
You should have something more in your pct.
- 09-05-2008, 03:51 PM
Definetly need all cycle support supps.(liver,kidney,joint,BP)
I recommend Cycle Support by Anabolic Innovations throughout cycle and PCT; I've used it with good success. It incorporates all necessary support supps.
09-05-2008, 04:44 PM
Our new Cycle Assist here on NP contains everything an anabolic growing boy needs
As for the lethargy the old 4AD was king I've heard phenomenally good things about Dermacrine by Primordial too. Otherwise DHEA should help a bit.
09-06-2008, 10:20 AM
09-06-2008, 05:49 PM
Serms,although important, are basically used for avoiding gyno..... You still should add in other support supps(during cycle and PCT). Ex. Cycle Support,Post cycle support(or comparable supps), Retain, Advanced PCT.
Make sure to research PCT throughly before doing PH,PS cycles. Remember that SERMS are also harsh on LIVERS as well
09-06-2008, 05:52 PM
EDIT: Phera/Supdrol Layout <-- some great info/discussion in there
Nolva only is a fine PCT for any cycle. If its fine for a 12 week test cycle with a 4 week SD kickstart, I'm sure its fine for a 3-4 week SD cycle
09-06-2008, 06:53 PM
So you are saying,being a man of your reputation, that running PS/PH are fine with something like Nolva only.
No other support supps in PCT! Granted.... Serms are considered the best for shutdown...I will agree with that. But you don't think that any further support supps are needed at all in Superdrol PCT?
I disagree strongly!
How many cycles have you done with Nolva only...honestly
Make sure you recognize the word MOSTLY in my post.
You can still be shutdown even if you use a serm
Last edited by partyman43; 09-06-2008 at 07:20 PM.
09-06-2008, 07:20 PM
I now know my nolva isnt bunk. I am on PCT right now from superdrol 20/20/30 using just nolva and 9 days or so in my balls are back (I planned on using PCS, but I am saving it). I will taper down an AI at the end though, but again thats extra precaution.
Also you post doesnt say mostly, it says SERMs are basically for avoiding gyno. That was the main part I disagreed with
PCT tends to be over complicated. SERMs are hepatotoxic, but nothing that worries me. I run NAC/ALA probably half the year anyway (and on it now).
09-06-2008, 07:20 PM
09-06-2008, 07:33 PM
Here's what I'd do.
Run Dermacrine for 4 weeks, drop in SD at week 2 and finish out with 3 weeks of SD + Dermacrine.
09-06-2008, 07:37 PM
Alright....well Ziqour and Tnick7.... good points
Ones own personal experience is good advice...I agree
That being said....It doesn't represent the masses,So to speak
Lets go back to the threads of Neoborns Epistane FAQ or even RPN's Havoc write-up. They are not considered as harsh as Superdrol, yet they still recommended other PCT supplements,
YOU ARE RIGHT TNICK7.....I MISSTATED THE SERM PART....
09-07-2008, 03:16 AM
I believe the point here is a SERM is the most critical base of a PCT. Just as you referenced the Havoc write-up - it states that a SERM is critical for Havoc PCT. As for the masses - whether it be Lee Priest, Haney, Arnold, or any top notch pro - they don't much come off of gear much but when they do, rest assured a SERM is their most critical weapon for PCT.
The only other masses other than what I referenced IMO would be the misinformed, uneducated kids who think OTC PCT products will suffice for a PCT - which are made up mostly of those who have no clue where/how to get a genuine SERM
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