My first Cycle Test E and D-bol
- 09-05-2008, 12:07 AM
My first Cycle Sustanon 300 and D-bol
This will be my first cycle so I have reasearched the hell out of what would be the best cycle for me and this is what I figure.
Sustanon 300 - 600mg a week for 10 weeks
D-bol 30 mg ed for 4 weeks
My pct would start 3 weeks after my last injection Also my pct would include clomid and nolva- the reason why I am posting is I find so many different recommendations on how to dose them (clomid and Nolva), in my opinion the most knowledgable muscle heads are on this forum, so please give me some full proof pct doses. Thanks.
- 09-05-2008, 09:56 AM
The cycle looks fine, although depending on what your specific reasoning is, the dbol might be a tad low...also, you do not need to taper down at the end of the cycle. You will still be suppressed irregardless, so just finish up and come off...clomid and nolva are both fine for your PCT....I use a different protocol with clomid, so I'll let some of the others answer that.
- 09-05-2008, 10:53 AM
What do you think the dose should be for the D-bol, I want to bulk ,but try and keep the water down as much as possible. Also how do you use the clomid and nolva? Out of curiousity. Thanks for the reply.
09-05-2008, 11:39 AM
09-05-2008, 12:53 PM
09-05-2008, 01:05 PM
Is that you in the picture? If so, you are already pretty huge...
What are you going for, IFBB pro? Competition?
Just curious (and a bit jealous)
09-05-2008, 02:05 PM
09-05-2008, 02:11 PM
Thanks Nos and Holy for the reply, so 12 wks at 400mg of Test E a once a week
30mg of Dbol ED for 4 wks
PCT 2 wks after last inject
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20 5wks
Clomid 100(day 1) then 50/50/50 (3 weeks total
Just to be clear. Anything else I'm missing guys? Thanks.
09-05-2008, 02:39 PM
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09-05-2008, 03:18 PM
Any Ideas on the best way to avoid stretch marks? I know Vitamin E helps. Holy do you have any tricks to the trade on S.Marks.
09-21-2008, 04:19 AM
Gettin my gear here this week. I would like to gain 20lbs of this first time cycle and keep 15 or so if possible.
09-21-2008, 07:53 AM
looks good- its pretty similar to what i am doing. i am doing what n.veins suggests and go for 30mg d bol/4 weeks.also-
-10mg nolvadex ED
-Epi (e- stane) 30/30/30/40.Final 4 weeks
pct will be nolva 40/40/20/20. may or may not use clomid
09-21-2008, 07:54 AM
09-21-2008, 07:54 AM
09-21-2008, 01:15 PM
Your going to take Nolva during your cycle? Why not use it only if you show signs of gyno? Just curious. Also the Epi, I guess your using it at the end to help prevent gyno as well? This seems like a pretty good plan but I would have research it more. Is this your first cycle?
09-21-2008, 01:20 PM
A few questions to the pro's - could I use m-drol (Superdrol clone) instead of d-bol? I have tried to search the stack m-drol and test E and found nothing. I am assuming this is for a reason. D-bol is not as harsh on the body as m-drol is, I know that. Also as my first cycle is there anything I could include on the cycle to rip me up as well? Thanks again guys.
09-21-2008, 06:13 PM
09-21-2008, 11:32 PM
D-bol and test demands an anti-estrogen.
Your options are either 0.25 mg arimidex EOD or 10 mg of nolvadex ED. This should significantly reduce estrogen induced edema and risk of gynecomastia. It's worth noting the D-bol is associated with significant aromatisation and rapid accumulation of edema.
For PCT I would recommend nolvadex at 40/30/20 and clomid at 100/50/50.
09-22-2008, 02:11 AM
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09-23-2008, 10:23 AM
09-27-2008, 11:19 PM
I actually got talked into Sus 300 and d-bol today so I was told to run 600mg of sus for 10 wks at 300mg every 3.5 days and 30mg of d-bol ed for 4 wks. Does that sound right guys. He told me the sus 300 was a better bang for my buck. What does everyone think. I want to start tomorrow ,but I need to know first. Thanks guys.
09-28-2008, 02:47 AM
1-12 250mg 2x week = 500mg week
1-4 30mg dbol every day
14-16 novla 40/40/20/20
that above was my first cycle and i gained 18lbs off of it, and im only 5'6.
09-28-2008, 11:35 AM
So I already have the sus 300, the more I read the more I think this guy shouldn't have recommended it. The situation is I already baught the sus, so I will learn from my mistakes and have a pain in the ass for awhile. Taking it twice a wk is cool or should I do every 3 days and at what dose? Thanks.
09-28-2008, 12:10 PM
id go with every 3 days, thats a solid plan.
the reason why you couldnt find the mdrol jumpstart to test is because its probably under differnt names, like sdrol or superdrol etc. Its been done quite often here actually. It should be fine for a jumpstart but if you have the dbol and you want to bulk then mine as well go with that.
as far as oncycle estrogen support i would get tamoxifen stocked just incase and letrozole. Letro is the most cost effective AI there is you can use such a small dose for very cheap and effective estrogen control. Aromasin is probably the best AI but its the most expensive and harder to find as well.
09-28-2008, 12:17 PM
I just actually took my first shot, I decided to go with every 3.5 days, today in the morning and wed at night. I got nolva already ,but will get aromasin next a.s.a.p. I will take d-bol @ 30 mg a day morn, after and night. I am ****en stoked. My first cycle and I will go for 10 wks, It's sus 300 so I will do 600mg every wk for 10 and d-bol 30mg ed for 4 wks. Hope to keep 15lbs after pct. Clomid and nolva will start 3 wks after last inject.
09-28-2008, 12:27 PM
09-28-2008, 12:34 PM
1st four weeks u run d-bol and finish all togetehr the base of 12 wks test-e. when adding epi (e-stane or havoc) what is the point of it? prevent gyno? water weight?
09-28-2008, 05:55 PM
FYI, you will probably be up 15lbs by the end of your 4th week, so dont over-eat and get fat
09-28-2008, 06:01 PM
09-29-2008, 07:35 AM
09-29-2008, 07:48 AM
09-29-2008, 09:37 PM
My inject site is ****en sore, when I dose in the other cheek how will I be able to sit down. lol. Also guys please don't get into a fight on here about legit and ug,this is a thread to help me out and I appreciate everyone helping. Lets not and say we did.Thanks guys. How long till I see some gains you guys? I am so stoked it's not funny.I usually go to the gym at 5:30 am, if I had a sitter for my daughter I would go again. lol1
09-29-2008, 10:53 PM
Any suggestions on the best workout routine for size, speed and strenght. GVT is awsome but takes a while to do workouts.
09-30-2008, 05:15 PM
I like to work 2 muscles per work out, and do interval training 2x a week while on for 10 minute sessions. as far as being sore, its because its a viring muscle. should next pin should feel better already. anyway, i only weigh myself every 2 weeks. Make sure you are pinning the correct part of your glute, not the middle.
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