My first Cycle Test E and D-bol
- 09-05-2008, 12:07 AM
My first Cycle Sustanon 300 and D-bol
This will be my first cycle so I have reasearched the hell out of what would be the best cycle for me and this is what I figure.
Sustanon 300 - 600mg a week for 10 weeks
D-bol 30 mg ed for 4 weeks
My pct would start 3 weeks after my last injection Also my pct would include clomid and nolva- the reason why I am posting is I find so many different recommendations on how to dose them (clomid and Nolva), in my opinion the most knowledgable muscle heads are on this forum, so please give me some full proof pct doses. Thanks.
- 09-05-2008, 09:56 AM
The cycle looks fine, although depending on what your specific reasoning is, the dbol might be a tad low...also, you do not need to taper down at the end of the cycle. You will still be suppressed irregardless, so just finish up and come off...clomid and nolva are both fine for your PCT....I use a different protocol with clomid, so I'll let some of the others answer that.
09-05-2008, 10:53 AM
What do you think the dose should be for the D-bol, I want to bulk ,but try and keep the water down as much as possible. Also how do you use the clomid and nolva? Out of curiousity. Thanks for the reply.
09-05-2008, 11:39 AM
09-05-2008, 12:53 PM
09-05-2008, 01:05 PM
Is that you in the picture? If so, you are already pretty huge...
What are you going for, IFBB pro? Competition?
Just curious (and a bit jealous)
09-05-2008, 02:05 PM
09-05-2008, 02:11 PM
Thanks Nos and Holy for the reply, so 12 wks at 400mg of Test E a once a week
30mg of Dbol ED for 4 wks
PCT 2 wks after last inject
Nolva 40/20/20/20/20 5wks
Clomid 100(day 1) then 50/50/50 (3 weeks total
Just to be clear. Anything else I'm missing guys? Thanks.
09-05-2008, 02:39 PM
09-05-2008, 02:49 PM
09-05-2008, 03:11 PM
09-05-2008, 03:13 PM
09-05-2008, 03:14 PM
09-05-2008, 03:18 PM
Any Ideas on the best way to avoid stretch marks? I know Vitamin E helps. Holy do you have any tricks to the trade on S.Marks.
09-21-2008, 04:19 AM
Gettin my gear here this week. I would like to gain 20lbs of this first time cycle and keep 15 or so if possible.
09-21-2008, 07:53 AM
looks good- its pretty similar to what i am doing. i am doing what n.veins suggests and go for 30mg d bol/4 weeks.also-
-10mg nolvadex ED
-Epi (e- stane) 30/30/30/40.Final 4 weeks
pct will be nolva 40/40/20/20. may or may not use clomid
09-21-2008, 07:54 AM
09-21-2008, 07:54 AM
09-21-2008, 01:15 PM
Your going to take Nolva during your cycle? Why not use it only if you show signs of gyno? Just curious. Also the Epi, I guess your using it at the end to help prevent gyno as well? This seems like a pretty good plan but I would have research it more. Is this your first cycle?
09-21-2008, 01:20 PM
A few questions to the pro's - could I use m-drol (Superdrol clone) instead of d-bol? I have tried to search the stack m-drol and test E and found nothing. I am assuming this is for a reason. D-bol is not as harsh on the body as m-drol is, I know that. Also as my first cycle is there anything I could include on the cycle to rip me up as well? Thanks again guys.
09-21-2008, 06:13 PM
09-21-2008, 11:32 PM
D-bol and test demands an anti-estrogen.
Your options are either 0.25 mg arimidex EOD or 10 mg of nolvadex ED. This should significantly reduce estrogen induced edema and risk of gynecomastia. It's worth noting the D-bol is associated with significant aromatisation and rapid accumulation of edema.
For PCT I would recommend nolvadex at 40/30/20 and clomid at 100/50/50.
09-22-2008, 02:11 AM
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