1-androstene-3beta, 17beta-diol aka 1-AD

[lennoxchi]

bringing up an oldie but goodie (from what i hear). 1AD the formula listed in the title, how many mgs. per day? I've heard 500, I've heard 800, does anyone have any experience with this compound? I've also heard to run 4ad along with it............help, advise please

 

[slow-mun]

bringing up an oldie but goodie (from what i hear). 1AD the formula listed in the title, how many mgs. per day? I've heard 500, I've heard 800, does anyone have any experience with this compound? I've also heard to run 4ad along with it............help, advise please

400-600mg is all that you actually need. You will likely not be able to find 4-D that is legit, so my recommendations would be to either use Dermacrine or a Prodienolone product. Either of those will help solidify gains and make the cycle a pleasant experience.

 

[MuscleHeadGuy]

I've had great experience with this. I love it.

 

[lennoxchi]

400-600mg is all that you actually need. You will likely not be able to find 4-D that is legit, so my recommendations would be to either use Dermacrine or a Prodienolone product. Either of those will help solidify gains and make the cycle a pleasant experience.

does either one of those products, help with libido (which i hear is a common side effect of 1AD)? i've never had a problem with my libido, using PH/PS products before, but just in case

 

[Ziquor]

400-600mg is all that you actually need. You will likely not be able to find 4-D that is legit, so my recommendations would be to either use Dermacrine or a Prodienolone product. Either of those will help solidify gains and make the cycle a pleasant experience.

Sol, do you think the '19-Tren's moderately aromatize then? I seen a German study done a while back that showed they caused an increased in testes size :think:

 

[slow-mun]

Sol, do you think the '19-Tren's moderately aromatize then? I seen a German study done a while back that showed they caused an increased in testes size :think:

I don't believe it directly aromatizes, but something is definitely happening.

 

[crazyfool405]

i believe the 19 nors dont aromatize.... or anything on the C7,C11, or C4 as far as functional groups.

but dont qoute me

 

[slow-mun]

i believe the 19 nors dont aromatize.... or anything on the C7,C11, or C4 as far as functional groups.

but dont qoute me

Yeah, they aren't supposed to......, but estrogenic side effects and spikes in prolactin levels are not uncommon. I definitely think that estrodiol levels are being affected in some way. Regardless, I like Prodienolone products and will probably be using one after my GPLC experiment.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

does either one of those products, help with libido (which i hear is a common side effect of 1AD)? i've never had a problem with my libido, using PH/PS products before, but just in case

Dermacrine would help with libido. But so would this...if it gets back in stock:

4-ad by Advanced Muscle Science

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Slo, what dienelone are you thinking of using?

 

[Wilderbeast]

I think that alot of the problems with prodienolone that i have seen have come from the inhibition if estrogen metabolization due to too much alcohol consumption on cycle and a slight rise in prolactin. Although it does not aromatize directly into estrogen, the combination of these two circumstances is enough to cause gyno/estrogen-like side effects. It would be best to drink ZERO alcohol and take a p5p, b6, or cabergoline as a support supp to inhibit prolactin/estrogen arom/estrogen side effects while on cycle, and in PCT.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

I am a nondrinker and was going to run powerful when on cycle with p-5-p on hand. Still working out other ideas..

 

[slow-mun]

Slo, what dienelone are you thinking of using?

I honestly don't know, b/c I have several different brands of it.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

I was just wondering if you had a preference or recomend..I saw AMS had dienedrone but saw some quality comments in some posts that had me iffy

 

[crazyfool405]

Yeah, they aren't supposed to......, but estrogenic side effects and spikes in prolactin levels are not uncommon. I definitely think that estrodiol levels are being affected in some way. Regardless, I like Prodienolone products and will probably be using one after my GPLC experiment.

think abou the ones that cause the prolactin sides,

other then being progestins, they interact with the 5a reductase.....

that probably has something to do with it, whether it then indirectly effect estrogen receptor, or directly effects the progesterone receptor, i bet it has something to do with the

5a-reductase.

 

[Ziquor]

think abou the ones that cause the prolactin sides,

other then being progestins, they interact with the 5a reductase.....

that probably has something to do with it, whether it then indirectly effect estrogen receptor, or directly effects the progesterone receptor, i bet it has something to do with the

5a-reductase.

Pro-Dienolone compounds are not progestins like the ads say. Right Sol

What exactly do you mean by 'react with 5a reductase'?

 

[crazyfool405]

Pro-Dienolone compounds are not progestins like the ads say. Right Sol

What exactly do you mean by 'react with 5a reductase'?

react.... bad term,

cannot convert to DHT becuase of the 5a reducase inhibition.

 

[crazyfool405]

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:x_XMRWOLZdcJ:wiz2.pharm.wayne.edu/biochem/sexhormones.ppt+are+19+nor+androstene+progestins&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

 

[crazyfool405]

wow i thought that link was better then it actually is,

that sucks lol imma find u something else after i get back from work.