Pulsing Havoc... Did it work for you?
- 09-03-2008, 07:53 PM
Pulsing Havoc... Did it work for you?
I've done the research, but still see alot of debate regarding pulsing and it's effectiveness. I want to pulse Havoc, as honestly lack of sides and shutdown are more important to me than "somewhat" better gains if I ran it straight. But then again... I don't want to completely waste my time either.
Background: 6'0 - 205lbs - Lifting 3 years - No previous cycles of any time.
- 09-03-2008, 07:56 PM
I havent said anything yet but i use an offstandard protocol of three days on and 5 days off and have seen increasing gains without the sides and with much less use of what you'd normally use. Really an outstanding product.
09-03-2008, 08:03 PM
09-04-2008, 01:34 AM
09-04-2008, 03:13 PM
I pulsed Havoc for 6 weeks(3x wk)
Started at 10mgs. and finished last dosage at 60mgs.
4 wks. of PCT
I saw good strength gains as well as general AI like properties:
1) Leaned out
2) Hardening of muscle
No substanial size gains
I will opt to run it straight next time
09-04-2008, 03:18 PM
09-04-2008, 03:28 PM
09-04-2008, 03:32 PM
09-04-2008, 07:14 PM
I already have the bottle of Havoc... and I just want to make sure that a drop in libido does not become an issue, so I'm pretty certain I am going to pulse it.
Did you take an AI during the off days?
This is also my first cycle... so I'm hoping to see good results!
09-04-2008, 07:15 PM
09-07-2008, 06:00 PM
just about done with my havoc 4 week cyc....any ideas for otc pct? I plan on using cs/6oxo/lean xtreme. Any other solid products lookin good?
09-07-2008, 06:10 PM
10-04-2008, 11:39 PM
10-06-2008, 12:31 PM
What time of the day did you take it? I got the IBE Epi and there 20mg pills. I didnt check and really wanted 10mg but ah well. So at lunch or a couple hours before i workout?
10-06-2008, 04:34 PM
I usually took first dose late morning/early afternoon pre wo, second dose pwo. Taking earlier theoretically will help prevent suppression.
10-06-2008, 04:38 PM
Wrong, they're 20mg/serving. One serving: two pills. One pill: 10 mg.I got the IBE Epi and there 20mg pills. I didnt check and really wanted 10mg but ah well.
10-06-2008, 04:51 PM
Dang, owned. Well thats good, as i would rather take one before and one after as mentioned before. But bad as im gonna have to buy more now!
10-06-2008, 06:07 PM
it was aiight, but i got a little gyno surprisingly from it...it was also prolactin related i believe, no lump, nip just squeezed out a tiny bit of juice, but i aint too worried, ever since i was a kid i had chest fat and plus im not that thin these days LoL. my pct was pretty **** tho, i used novedex xt for 4 weeks 40/30/20/10 and pulsed epi for 6 weeks 10/20/30/30/40/40...but i got sick in the middle of the last 40 dose and had to take a week off but it was all good. went from 170-185, leaned out a bit, strong as an ox, but like i said, pct was **** and i drank alot haha and now im back to 175....im not touching PH's in the near future, maybe when im in my 30's ill do real gear.
10-19-2008, 09:19 PM
I used Epi at varying does, starting at 20 mg (10 before, 10 after a workout, every other day) then finally moving to 80 mg. 80 was too aggressive, so I stuck with 60 mg po eod. I saw my bench move from 235 to 300 lbs. I started at 180 lbs and ended at 202. My PCT was just AI's Post Cycle Therapy. I ate like a horse and worked out like a fool. I loved it...
10-19-2008, 09:20 PM
As the one who has had the material (even before the first production release) the longest, and also being blessed/cursed with a rabidly curious mind and disregard for my own safety (not really)...I played with a bunch of different protocols.
Honestly, compared to the minimal shut down I have experienced on full cycles (or as Jay alluded to high dosage on workout days and either lower or non dosage on off days) I have to admit that pulsing just didn't do it for me.
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10-19-2008, 09:20 PM
I have been running an epi pulse, my first PH/PS cycle ever, with pretty awesome results.
10-20-30 first week, 30-30-40 second week, 40-40-50 third week, and I will be doing 50-50-50 next week (final week).
I was a very lean (8% or less) 175-176 when I started, as I had recently cut down from 205. I have been gaining a lot of strength (squat up an easy 20 pounds right now, leg press up a lot, adding 5lbs easy to my strict BB curl each week) although I think it's normal to gain back your strength after losing it on a long-term cutting cycle.
The best part is, I weigh at least 182-183 now, and have gotten quite a bit leaner. That's up 7-8lb in 3 weeks. Libido is up. I actually gained the weight/recomped with 3000 cal per day, I am going up to 4000 this last week.
I have had my diet "dialed in" this whole time and been getting plenty of sleep. Oh, and I'm taking 100mg DHEA morning and night.
So, basically, this 4 week pulse cycle has used half the bottle and I've gotten incredible results.
10-19-2008, 10:55 PM
Im beggining week 3 on Monday and so far im not real excited. I havnt notice any gains or strength increase at all. I started at 30mg and am now at 40. Maybe ill have to go up some more.
10-20-2008, 10:40 AM
10-20-2008, 12:01 PM
Its a pulse. M/W/F. On the off days im taking DHEA and trib. My diet is clean but only about 2000 calories. Im trying to lean a little so i was trying to not eat to much. I know youve gotta eat to get big, but i was hoping to notice something from it and so far i havn't. My only reference is a ED of Furaz and my diet was even less calories for a part of that, and i noticed good results from that. I dont know when Epi is supposed to kick in as well, this is a 8 week pulse im trying so theres still time.
10-20-2008, 07:53 PM
Interesting. Like I said, I just came off of a fairly intensive fat loss period before beginning my pulse. I think if you increase calories you may notice more effect, including better body composition. I weigh less than you (now, I was 205) and went up to 3000 expecting to gain weight, but had a fairly amazing recomp within 2 weeks. Went from 175-176 up to 180 in those two weeks, and got noticeably leaner and more vascular. That's why I went up to 4k/day. Hopefully I'll hit 188-190 before the end of the cycle. IMO that would be exceptional for a 4 week pulse, if I gained 13-14 pounds and got leaner or kept the same overall body composition.
I may just be someone who responds better than you do to this compound. I am tempted to go for 8 weeks, but instead I will be using PCT (I do have SERM but will not use it unless I am truly shut down or have testicular atrophy or pre-gyno symptoms) for 4 weeks and then perhaps running the other half a bottle.
What do you think of the DHEA? I am doing it every day, 200mg...I am pretty happy with it, and I think it boosts my mood and perhaps my libido. Only downside, as a fairly oily guy with some acne already, I am getting some nasty cystic acne on my back and a much oilier complexion than I already had.
Best of luck.
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