PH's or DS that dont need a SERM
- 08-03-2008, 06:29 PM
- 08-03-2008, 06:42 PM
you have access to the internet. there are plenty of innovative research companies out there.....
- 08-03-2008, 06:42 PM
08-03-2008, 06:44 PM
If you're on the internet and can't find a serm then you haven't looked hard enough.
08-03-2008, 06:45 PM
If you honestly can't find a SERM on the internet with all the innovative research techniques, then I would advise you to not run a PH/PS/DS cycle... it makes me seriously doubt your researching ability in general.
08-03-2008, 06:54 PM
2 things PHs/PS i feel dont need a serm.... i know ill get **** for this
hdrol and epi....
08-03-2008, 07:03 PM
And for those of you who are doubting my research abilities, i have researched for probably a year on PH's and steroids. The reason why I ask this, I am planning on running havoc 20/30/30/40 with all the staple cycle support supplements, but all these sites that i come across that supposedly sell S.E.R.M.'s seem to be bull****....
08-03-2008, 07:09 PM
08-03-2008, 07:12 PM
08-03-2008, 07:17 PM
hdrol and epi have low sides and alot of people dont use a serm with them, but if ones available, i would go out and get it.
08-03-2008, 07:24 PM
also you can run epi without a pct ..go to there offical website 4 more details
again i wouldnt do this ..but to help out a noob...
No PCT (Dr.D pulse method; take only 3X per week, preferably on lifting days):
1 40mg (start at 10mg first day and move up 10mg each day)
5 40mg (start at 10mg first day and move up 10mg each day)
08-03-2008, 07:32 PM
thanks for the help GQNemeisis..I have came across the pulsing method and i just want to run it straight and from what i have read, running it straight will give you the best gains.
08-03-2008, 07:36 PM
08-03-2008, 07:38 PM
08-03-2008, 07:41 PM
You guys are funny,
OP you need to re READ the responses:
as far as no serm, maybe epi/havoc, prostan solo ?
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08-03-2008, 07:50 PM
08-03-2008, 08:18 PM
Please please please ( is that enough? no? ok.) Please please please please buy a SERM. If you dont want too use it fine, do this OTC PCT Guide ... http://www.otcpct.com/
But if you use an OTC PCT without having a SERM on hand you lose your right to come back and post....I have gyno help!
End of story, good luck.
08-03-2008, 08:30 PM
I would agree that if i had to chose 2 and had no access to serms, it would be h-drol/epi. Although, on this board most people are actually concerned for your health. They/we just don't want you to get some nice juicy man boobs after a "mild" cycle because you didn't have a selective estrogen blocker.
Just a suggestion.
08-03-2008, 08:36 PM
a serm is easy to find, at least have on hand for that just in case gyno situation
08-03-2008, 09:04 PM
Seems like you could get away with no SERM on something like AMS's 1-AD.
08-04-2008, 12:26 PM
i think if u dont use an AI your more likely to get gyno.......
08-04-2008, 07:20 PM
08-04-2008, 07:31 PM
does ne one know what estrogen rebound is?
if you run serm only what happens to all the circulating estrogen in the body when the serm is discontinued. it raises quick. and an AI would ONLY Help
if you people need SERMs use SERM like PRODUCTS, most phyto estrogens. they will bind to the receptor obviously not as great as a real serm but next best thing to one.
08-04-2008, 09:00 PM
from what i understand Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators only disable the estrogen receptors around the chest... so it prevents rebound gyno and keeps the estrogen level stable...
i thought the incidence of rebound gyno was increased with AI's cuz it further shuts off estrogen after a cycle... then it flies back up
08-04-2008, 09:02 PM
your body still produces its own estrogen when your androgen level rises, so blood levels of estrogen rise quickly when you come off the SERM
08-04-2008, 09:08 PM
08-04-2008, 10:00 PM
08-05-2008, 04:16 PM
08-10-2008, 11:51 AM
you can do LG methyl1D .. u def wont need a serm for that .. but do follow it with an AI ..either formadrol or nolvedexxt
08-10-2008, 08:48 PM
08-10-2008, 08:56 PM
08-10-2008, 09:01 PM
08-10-2008, 11:59 PM
3-ad is a pretty mild one from what i've read
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