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    PH's or DS that dont need a SERM


    The title says it all. I am brand new to the whole steroid/pro-hormone world. I ve been lifintg for 11 years and have plataued and cannot find a SERM for the life of me.

    Anyone's suggestion? Or am I completely stupid for asking this question? lol

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    you have access to the internet. there are plenty of innovative research companies out there.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by meatNcreatine View Post
    I completely stupid for asking this question

    -Jon
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    If you're on the internet and can't find a serm then you haven't looked hard enough.
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    If you honestly can't find a SERM on the internet with all the innovative research techniques, then I would advise you to not run a PH/PS/DS cycle... it makes me seriously doubt your researching ability in general.
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    2 things PHs/PS i feel dont need a serm.... i know ill get **** for this


    hdrol and epi....
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    LoL, i guess i was asking for that!

    And for those of you who are doubting my research abilities, i have researched for probably a year on PH's and steroids. The reason why I ask this, I am planning on running havoc 20/30/30/40 with all the staple cycle support supplements, but all these sites that i come across that supposedly sell S.E.R.M.'s seem to be bull****....
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    Quote Originally Posted by meatNcreatine View Post
    The title says it all. I am brand new to the whole steroid/pro-hormone world. I ve been lifintg for 11 years and have plataued and cannot find a SERM for the life of me.

    Anyone's suggestion? Or am I completely stupid for asking this question? lol

    -Jon
    well having a serm is an optional .. yeah u should always have it ..but if you cant find one ..then stay away from Ph's man. Youre lifting for 11yrs ..im sure u know how to get huge, so you shuldnt need ph's ..but to answer your questions .. closest & safest ph = epistane ..but if i was to run it ..i still run serm/AI regardless of what ph im using, whether its epi or sdrol
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    2 things PHs/PS i feel dont need a serm.... i know ill get **** for this


    hdrol and epi....

    if you had to run something without a SERM, those would be your best bet...
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    hdrol and epi have low sides and alot of people dont use a serm with them, but if ones available, i would go out and get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    if you had to run something without a SERM, those would be your best bet...
    yup agree with fool & tnubs

    also you can run epi without a pct ..go to there offical website 4 more details

    again i wouldnt do this ..but to help out a noob...




    No PCT (Dr.D pulse method; take only 3X per week, preferably on lifting days):

    Weeks Dosages
    1 40mg (start at 10mg first day and move up 10mg each day)


    2 40mg

    3 0

    4 0

    5 40mg (start at 10mg first day and move up 10mg each day)

    6 40mg


    7-8 0
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    thanks for the help GQNemeisis..I have came across the pulsing method and i just want to run it straight and from what i have read, running it straight will give you the best gains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meatNcreatine View Post
    thanks for the help GQNemeisis..I have came across the pulsing method and i just want to run it straight and from what i have read, running it straight will give you the best gains.
    Np .. and yes ofcourse it will .. if you are running epi .. look into PCS or similar product also run some kind of support all the way through pct

    and good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GQNemesis View Post
    Np .. and yes ofcourse it will .. if you are running epi .. look into PCS or similar product also run some kind of support all the way through pct

    and good luck.
    I heard that Reversitol by IForce is a good pct supplement...you have any experience man? sorry for all the questions, but i gotta get knowledge somehow right!? lol
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    You guys are funny,

    OP you need to re READ the responses:

    as far as no serm, maybe epi/havoc, prostan solo ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    2 things PHs/PS i feel dont need a serm.... i know ill get **** for this


    hdrol and epi....
    No you won't!

    Very true and alot of if not all of the non-methyl's as well.
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    Please please please ( is that enough? no? ok.) Please please please please buy a SERM. If you dont want too use it fine, do this OTC PCT Guide ... http://www.otcpct.com/

    But if you use an OTC PCT without having a SERM on hand you lose your right to come back and post....I have gyno help!


    End of story, good luck.
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    I would agree that if i had to chose 2 and had no access to serms, it would be h-drol/epi. Although, on this board most people are actually concerned for your health. They/we just don't want you to get some nice juicy man boobs after a "mild" cycle because you didn't have a selective estrogen blocker.

    Just a suggestion.
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    a serm is easy to find, at least have on hand for that just in case gyno situation
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    Seems like you could get away with no SERM on something like AMS's 1-AD.
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    i think if u dont use an AI your more likely to get gyno.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    i think if u dont use an AI your more likely to get gyno.......
    I disagree. It is not 100% necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecu19 View Post
    I disagree. It is not 100% necessary.

    does ne one know what estrogen rebound is?

    if you run serm only what happens to all the circulating estrogen in the body when the serm is discontinued. it raises quick. and an AI would ONLY Help

    if you people need SERMs use SERM like PRODUCTS, most phyto estrogens. they will bind to the receptor obviously not as great as a real serm but next best thing to one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    does ne one know what estrogen rebound is?

    if you run serm only what happens to all the circulating estrogen in the body when the serm is discontinued. it raises quick. and an AI would ONLY Help

    from what i understand Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators only disable the estrogen receptors around the chest... so it prevents rebound gyno and keeps the estrogen level stable...

    i thought the incidence of rebound gyno was increased with AI's cuz it further shuts off estrogen after a cycle... then it flies back up
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    from what i understand Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators only disable the estrogen receptors around the chest... so it prevents rebound gyno and keeps the estrogen level stable...

    i thought the incidence of rebound gyno was increased with AI's cuz it further shuts off estrogen after a cycle... then it flies back up
    http://www.bulkmuscle.com/forum/inde...showtopic=1086


    your body still produces its own estrogen when your androgen level rises, so blood levels of estrogen rise quickly when you come off the SERM
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    from what i understand Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators only disable the estrogen receptors around the chest... so it prevents rebound gyno and keeps the estrogen level stable...

    i thought the incidence of rebound gyno was increased with AI's cuz it further shuts off estrogen after a cycle... then it flies back up

    Nolvadex mimics Estradiol, it doesnt "disable" anything, it more takes the place of.

    Running an AI tapered down, after a SERM is always a good idea. It helps with regulation of estrogen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    Nolvadex mimics Estradiol, it doesnt "disable" anything, it more takes the place of.

    Running an AI tapered down, after a SERM is always a good idea. It helps with regulation of estrogen.

    thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    does ne one know what estrogen rebound is?
    no of course not wut dat be? I iz not edumacated 2 lrn stuff lyke dat der thang called ester-gen rebound?
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    you can do LG methyl1D .. u def wont need a serm for that .. but do follow it with an AI ..either formadrol or nolvedexxt
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    Quote Originally Posted by GQNemesis View Post
    you can do LG methyl1D .. u def wont need a serm for that .. but do follow it with an AI ..either formadrol or nolvedexxt
    Isn't M1D and Methyl XT the same? I thought they were pretty harsh compounds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonewolf0420 View Post
    Isn't M1D and Methyl XT the same? I thought they were pretty harsh compounds?
    im not too familiar with methylXT .. ill ask a lg rep
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    Quote Originally Posted by GQNemesis View Post
    im not too familiar with methylXT .. ill ask a lg rep
    Methyl 1-D is esterfied DHEA with both isomers of Androsterone. Methyl XT is methyl 1-AD.
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    3-ad is a pretty mild one from what i've read
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