Epistane/H-Drol/11-OXO/Deca

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Ok im planning a second cycle, im leaving test out all together because first time round I got serious pimples, so bad couldnt even take shirt off and hair thinned out way to much so well be running deca as the only injectable.

This is what I have been thinking

I already have all these things just figuring out what to do with them.

week 1-10 deca 400mg Weekly
week 1-4 H-Drol 25mg Daily
Week 7-11 - Epistane 30mg Daily
Week 12-14 - 11-OXO 3 Caps Daily
15-18 - Nolvadex 40mg day

Or should I swap the Epistane and H-Drol around?

I want to run the 11-OXO once the deca is finished, as it can give me some extra energy while the deca is still leaving my body so I dont feel too crap. Then I should also respond bit better to the Nolva as I should have hardly any deca left in the system due to its long half life. What do people think?
 
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i would have test in there or tren (heavy in androgens and if u have reall stuff youll feel like a porn star) otherwise, deca ****...... need i say more?
 
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I am not as hip to some of the injectables as most on here but why would you run Deca without a test base? I see you mentioned something about some nasty pimples, but running this cycle without test is not best IMHO. As mentioned by crazy deca **** will happen and I am sure it will suck.:lol:

Hdrol at 20mg? Did you mean 25mg?
 
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Yeah but if I use test aswell my bodys natural test production will shut down EVEN MORE then if I use deca alone making it harder to recover.
Just during the time of the cycle I might get deca ****, (which over on another forum they had a thread of people who have actually used deca alone and not alot of people reported the deca **** everyone thinks of. Some people had no problems the majority had reduced libido but was still able to use it.

But thats why I have the Epistane and 11-oxo as I heard this boost your libido.

At the end of the day if I cant use my **** for 10 or so weeks thats a **** load better than not having any hair on my head for the rest of my life. As the pimples im not so worried about as they can go away, but my hair shredded like crazzyy and I dont want that happening again.

And yes I meant 25mgs, I fixed it up.
 
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When I used test I ran it at 500mg for 10 weeks.
Was the best thing I ever did, exploded in strength and size it was so amazing. Put on 30lbs and kept 24lbs added a good 80lbs to bench.
But the pimples and hair loss was way to much to ever go back to it.
 
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try some tren 4x more androgenic then test.

everyone responds different to everything.
 
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What is the reasoning of stacking Epistane and 11-oxo, because i have never heard of it being done before?
 
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prolly recomp,

i would be a little concerned runing those 2 especially after PCT considering inhibiting Cortisol and it rising during PCT . and epi supposedly lowering estrogen / and then only running a SERM PCT

Run an AI as well
 
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Ive got some arimidex left over aswell, suppose I might as well use it up.
I was planning on using the epistane at the end of the deca use. Because towards the end of the deca my natural test will be shut down pretty hard and I could just imagine how lethargic I might feel and ive heard epistane gives energy. Once thats all done then I want to use the 11-OXO just to give my body those extra 4 weeks to recover from the suppressive deca.
Then once Ive finished everything and not before, Then will I use the nolvadex, also possibly tribulus.

Not using those after PCT as you said crazy fool.
I dont want to use test because of its androgenic properties, so why would I want to use something that 4X as androgenic? Besides finding that substance in Oz is next to impossible now.

Im asking for advice as ive never used half of these substances before and dont want to do something stupid.
 
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I hate to be rude, but it's a somewhat unorthodox and poorly designed cycle. I always see people throw caution to the wind and run Nandrolone's on their own, not caring about 'Deca ****'. Well, you will care when three weeks after P.C.T., you still suffer from erectile dysfunction.
 
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Ive got some arimidex left over aswell, suppose I might as well use it up.
I was planning on using the epistane at the end of the deca use. Because towards the end of the deca my natural test will be shut down pretty hard and I could just imagine how lethargic I might feel and ive heard epistane gives energy. Once thats all done then I want to use the 11-OXO just to give my body those extra 4 weeks to recover from the suppressive deca.
Then once Ive finished everything and not before, Then will I use the nolvadex, also possibly tribulus.

Not using those after PCT as you said crazy fool.
I dont want to use test because of its androgenic properties, so why would I want to use something that 4X as androgenic? Besides finding that substance in Oz is next to impossible now.

Im asking for advice as ive never used half of these substances before and dont want to do something stupid.
i dont think you understood what i wrote or i wasnt clear...... running epi and 11oxo together, would most likly have a harsher rebout because
1 11oxo inhibits cortisol and it rises during PCT
2 epi may lower estrogen and only running a serm can have a rebound effect when your done with PCT.
3 if you dont want to run something so androgenic, run EQ, Primo, or Winny(inject)

that better?
 
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At the end of the day if I cant use my **** for 10 or so weeks thats a **** load better than not having any hair on my head for the rest of my life. As the pimples im not so worried about as they can go away, but my hair shredded like crazzyy and I dont want that happening again.

And yes I meant 25mgs, I fixed it up.
Not to be a pain but if test makes your hair fall out you are going to be bald the rest of your life anyway. Test will only speed up the intevitable. If you aren't going to go bald test won't cause you to lose hair. That is all based on the type of hair follicles you have; if they are DHT resistant you won't lose hair. As far as acne goes, extra showers, don't ever wait to take your shower your pores are open and dirty if you let them close back up before showering you will have a lot more pimples. If Deca **** doesn't frighten you then this probably isn't too bad. There is always StaminRX to get your boys back on the playing field. Deca will shut you down all on it's own, and shut down last longer than test.
 
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just to throw this out there but epi mad me sleep like every other hour. I wouldnt reccomend it to be used as a test substitute or for energy.
 

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I hate to be rude, but it's a somewhat unorthodox and poorly designed cycle. I always see people throw caution to the wind and run Nandrolone's on their own, not caring about 'Deca ****'. Well, you will care when three weeks after P.C.T., you still suffer from erectile dysfunction.

What does running test with deca have to do with 3 weeks after pct. Test won't stop the sides just mask them. I agree that running test will make him feel better, shouldn't make a difference after pct.
 

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Not to be a pain but if test makes your hair fall out you are going to be bald the rest of your life anyway. Test will only speed up the intevitable. .
exactly.
the weird part though is that ive never seen anyone loose thier hair AND get acne. most of the time its one or the other. u must be one of the unlucky few
 
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exactly my point jcp2, people make it out like test will help you recover quicker or something. If anything it will make your recovery longer, but while your on it, it will mask the effects of your real low libido.

Sorry crazyfool405 I wasnt meant to attack you, you obviously know things about these products that I dont know, and obviously they are things that I should know before I cycle.

Can you recommend to me what I should do then? Maybe run 11-oxo first then epi at the end?
You mentioned an AI, I have some arimidex left over, when do you suggest to run this? During the PCT along with the Nolva?

MrKleen, if I have the choice to keep my hair for now and lose it later, or lose it now quickly. Then I know what I would choose.
 
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11oxo is better in PCT or closest to it. Run the epi before it.
 
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I am running the epi before the 11-oxo, and the 11-oxo is right before my PCT...
Should I put the epi at the start of the cycle, say weeks 1-4
 
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I am running the epi before the 11-oxo, and the 11-oxo is right before my PCT...
Should I put the epi at the start of the cycle, say weeks 1-4

yes epi befor 11oxo, but not 11oxo in PCT at high doses it will be suppressive and counterintuitive to PCT

so the best thing is EPI at 30-40mg for 4 weeks (dosing up as you seem fit, you can start at 20 , i start at 30 and could go up to 50) then run the 11oxo at 6 caps per day (the amount that would suppress you//keep you supprressed) run that for 3-4 weeks,,, then PCT
 
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MrKleen, if I have the choice to keep my hair for now and lose it later, or lose it now quickly. Then I know what I would choose.
Oh trust me I know this... look at my shiny a$$ head. LOL Mine started going by the wayside on its own when I was 19. Had to give up and shave it by 21-22. Thank God I don't have one of those knobby mishapen heads. By all means do what you can to preserve what you got for as long as you can. JUST NEVER... EVERRRRRRR do the comb over thing! :icon_lol:
 
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What does running test with deca have to do with 3 weeks after pct. Test won't stop the sides just mask them. I agree that running test will make him feel better, shouldn't make a difference after pct.
What Mullet is saying is people seem to assume that the deca d*ick only lasts for the 10 week cycle then by four weeks of PCT it is back on. Well i think it lasts a lot longer then just the cycle/pct length. Hell, Epi and Halo ran together had me shrivelled up and asexual for a lot longer then the 5 week cycle and PCT.

...well i think thats what he's saying:lol:

BTW 25mg Halo is useless. 50 or 75mg minimum.
 

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