[MaDmaN]

Brady Could be the greatest ever,people laughed years ago that Brady was better than Montana but if he wins in 2 weeks he will be the best ever IMO Thoughts...

[Big Dane]

He sucks.

[Nabisco]

You realize that you're stating he is the best quarterback ever, right off a 3 interception game in which he single handedly kept San Diego in that game? I think he's a pretty damn good quarterback, but people need to jump off this Golden Boy bandwagon and take a step back. Look at the weapons and defense he has surrounding him. That team is so GOOD that he can throw 3 interceptions and they still win.

Is he a great quarterback? Of course.

Has he been surrounded by almost unprecedented talent this year? You better believe it.

Let's give it another couple of years before we crown him king. Because if you recall, when he wasn't surrounded by excellent teams he failed to make the Super Bowl.

[Mulletsoldier]

I don't know how there is space for you AND Trauma1 in Brady's jock strap.



Just jokes Trauma, you know I love ya.

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by Nabisco

Let's give it another couple of years before we crown him king. Because if you recall, when he wasn't surrounded by excellent teams he failed to make the Super Bowl.

Yes the patriots are very good all around indeed. However, whether people want to believe it or not brady is the KEY cog that makes that team as great as they are. It all stems from strong leadership and motivation that filters down to the rest of the team. It's that powerful dynamic that turns good teams into great teams. While brady may not be "king" yet, if he wins his fourth superbowl in as many tries he'll be just about ready to sit upon that throne.


What the patriots have achieved in general since 2001 is remarkable to say the least. I think 4 superbowl apperances in 7 years says it all in fact. People can say what they will about brady......The guy produces on many different levels in the game to continually help his team win. It shows in his overall talent, leadership, motivation, charisma, attention to detail, and focus on a solid team work foundation. It's that unique quality about him in my mind that defines his greatness.

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

I don't know how there is space for you AND Trauma1 in Brady's jock strap.



Just jokes Trauma, you know I love ya.

I was wondering when you would show up in this thread haha ........

[Iron Warrior]

He's defintely the best of his era. IMO, the best ever would be Joe Montana. Brady's career isn't over yet so it's hard to say he's the best ever at this point. Montana has done things Brady hasn't done YET, Brady might be it whe it's all said and done but it's premature right now.

The NFL was more competitve in Montana's ear then in today's watered down NFL. Montana and the 49ers had to beat GREAT teams. He beat the famed Bears defense in championship games twice ('84 & '88). He beat the Doomsday Cowboys when they were the hottest thing in the NFL ('81). He outdueled Marino and the 14-2 Dolphins 38-16. He dismantled the top ranked Broncos defense 55-10 in '89. John Elway could not rescue the Broncos from this one LOL.

Montana had to deal with great teams since there was no salary cap or free agency until 1990 IIRC. He also had to get through Joe Gibbs' Redskins squad, that insanely talented Eagles defense, the LT Giants, da Bears, the rising Rams which were supposed to overtake the 49ers in the mid to late 80's. All these squads would have been AFC Super Bowl representative at one time if they were lucky enough to have been in that conference. That's another reason why Elway's Broncos and later on the Bills got the Super Bowl that many times. It was because they had weak competition.

His '88 49ers squad was 10-6, and seen as declining franchise who would be overmatched by the hungry, phyiscally superior, and rising Bengals but he led the 49ers on a true com from behind win in the last minute going 92 yards

Joe Montana kept Steve Young on the bench until he suffered a major elbow injury in 1990. People had been calling for Young to take over in 1988 because he was the younger and more athletically gifted of the two.

Joe Montana almost took the Chiefs to the Super Bowl in his late 30's with an aged Marcus Allen as his main offensive weapon. I think this truly shows how great he was since he had an average squad that was know for never getting past the wild-card round.

Joe Montana won 2 Super Bowls w/out Jerry Rice. His 1981 squad's leading rusher had 543 yards and a team high 3.6 yards per carry. He also won a Super Bowl without a 1,000 yard receiver in 1984. Dwight Clark was on the decline and there was no Jerry Rice at the time.

I think I could work for NFL films or edge NFL match-up

In reality, it's unfair to compare players from different eras. The game keeps evolving and the players have to adapt to their situation(s). Brady has to deal with more drastic roster changes on his team and other teams while Montana had to deal with some tougher opponents that got the lion's share of success in the 80's.

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by Iron Warrior

He's defintely the best of his era. IMO, the best ever would be Joe Montana. Brady's career isn't over yet so it's hard to say he's the best ever at this point. Montana has done things Brady hasn't done YET, Brady might be it whe it's all said and done but it's premature right now.

The NFL was more competitve in Montana's ear then in today's watered down NFL. Montana and the 49ers had to beat GREAT teams. He beat the famed Bears defense in championship games twice ('84 & '88). He beat the Doomsday Cowboys when they were the hottest thing in the NFL ('81). He outdueled Marino and the 14-2 Dolphins 38-16. He dismantled the top ranked Broncos defense 55-10 in '89. John Elway could not rescue the Broncos from this one LOL.

Montana had to deal with great teams since there was no salary cap or free agency until 1990 IIRC. He also had to get through Joe Gibbs' Redskins squad, that insanely talented Eagles defense, the LT Giants, da Bears.

His '88 49ers squad was 10-6, and seen as declining franchise who would be overmatched by the hungry, phyiscally superior, and rising Bengals but he led the 49ers on a true com from behind win in the last minute going 92 yards

Joe Montana kept Steve Young on the bench until he suffered a major elbow injury in 1990. People had been calling for Young to take over in 1988 because he was the younger and more athletically gifted of the two.

Joe Montana almost took the Chiefs to the Super Bowl in his late 30's with an aged Marcus Allen as his main offensive weapon. I think this truly shows how great he was since he had an average squad that was know for never getting past the wild-card round.

Joe Montana won 2 Super Bowls w/out Jerry Rice. His 1981 squad's leading rusher had 543 yards and a team high 3.6 yards per carry. He also won a Super Bowl without a 1,000 yard receiver in 1984. Dwight Clark was on the decline and there was no Jerry Rice at the time.

I think I could work for NFL films or edge NFL match-up

Lol, I believe you could. Nice post iron!

[Fastone]

Most successful, possibly but best ever? I don't know about that. I would say that Terry Bradshaw would have a say in this discussion.

[Iron Warrior]

Originally Posted by Trauma1

Lol, I believe you could. Nice post iron!

I try, but I am somwhat biased towards Montana Joe may have not been the best ever but he was the best during his reign. I know there a some who say Elway was the better of the 2 but this is not true and I can provide plenty of data if someone wants to be open minded about it

People who say Montana was lucky to have Jerry Rice just don't realize that Rice spent more time with Steve Young then Joe Montana. I like Young but if that was the case the Young would have won more then 1 Super Bowl. I also think Young is better then Elway and Montana was good enough to keep him on the bench for years.

[Iron Warrior]

Originally Posted by Fastone

Most successful, possibly but best ever? I don't know about that. I would say that Terry Bradshaw would have a say in this discussion.

Bradshaw's stats aren't impressive but the man was a great big game performer. Great players aren't always great, they're just great when they have to be The guy's a decent entertainer too LOL.

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by Trauma1

I was wondering when you would show up in this thread haha ........

I'm not even going to offer an opinion, but for different reasons than you may assume. I find, more than any other professional league, opinions on certain players in the NFL are incredibly fickle. People were so brash as to proclaim AP as the up-and-coming greatest RB ever earlier this season, now, for ostensible reasons, the hype surrounding him has somewhat died down (for the record I think he is unreal, just demonstrating how opinions flare and then wain).

When Peyton set the record (which Brady broke) he was inarguably (so pundits would say) the most gifted, and statistically endowed QB of his generation; a veritable 'student-of-the-game' who could single-handedly disseminate a secondary pre-snap. Now, a few years later, Brady has all but unseated him as the 'fantasy-league king' with his play.

I suppose my point is that hindsight is 20/20, and with the average career of the NFL'er being so short, coupled with the parody created by the salary-cap era, it is easy to get excited before true patterns emerge. Brady has led his team to 'the Bowl' with clutch performances in the playoffs, but until this point was not seen as the Marino-Peyton type of statistical QB. If the game-winning performances of the Pats in recent years are what primarily characterize Brady as a great QB, then some of that misplaced acclaim should fall on A-Vin.

I think Iron's post also demonstrated, maybe, the difference between a good QB on great teams, and the greatest QB on good teams. I think this goes double for Bellichek.

[VolcomX311]

Originally Posted by Iron Warrior

He's defintely the best of his era. IMO, the best ever would be Joe Montana. Brady's career isn't over yet so it's hard to say he's the best ever at this point. Montana has done things Brady hasn't done YET, Brady might be it whe it's all said and done but it's premature right now.

The NFL was more competitve in Montana's ear then in today's watered down NFL. Montana and the 49ers had to beat GREAT teams. He beat the famed Bears defense in championship games twice ('84 & '88). He beat the Doomsday Cowboys when they were the hottest thing in the NFL ('81). He outdueled Marino and the 14-2 Dolphins 38-16. He dismantled the top ranked Broncos defense 55-10 in '89. John Elway could not rescue the Broncos from this one LOL.

Montana had to deal with great teams since there was no salary cap or free agency until 1990 IIRC. He also had to get through Joe Gibbs' Redskins squad, that insanely talented Eagles defense, the LT Giants, da Bears, the rising Rams which were supposed to overtake the 49ers in the mid to late 80's. All these squads would have been AFC Super Bowl representative at one time if they were lucky enough to have been in that conference. That's another reason why Elway's Broncos and later on the Bills got the Super Bowl that many times. It was because they had weak competition.

His '88 49ers squad was 10-6, and seen as declining franchise who would be overmatched by the hungry, phyiscally superior, and rising Bengals but he led the 49ers on a true com from behind win in the last minute going 92 yards

Joe Montana kept Steve Young on the bench until he suffered a major elbow injury in 1990. People had been calling for Young to take over in 1988 because he was the younger and more athletically gifted of the two.

Joe Montana almost took the Chiefs to the Super Bowl in his late 30's with an aged Marcus Allen as his main offensive weapon. I think this truly shows how great he was since he had an average squad that was know for never getting past the wild-card round.

Joe Montana won 2 Super Bowls w/out Jerry Rice. His 1981 squad's leading rusher had 543 yards and a team high 3.6 yards per carry. He also won a Super Bowl without a 1,000 yard receiver in 1984. Dwight Clark was on the decline and there was no Jerry Rice at the time.

I think I could work for NFL films or edge NFL match-up

In reality, it's unfair to compare players from different eras. The game keeps evolving and the players have to adapt to their situation(s). Brady has to deal with more drastic