Brady Could be the greatest ever

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  1. Great discussion,Brady is the fastest to 100 wins he did it in 20 less games than Montana.



    Career bests
    Highest single-game quarterback rating: 158.3 (at Miami, October 21, 2007)
    Highest single-season quarterback rating: 117.2 (2007)
    Highest total passing touchdowns in a game: 6 (at Miami, October 21, 2007)
    Highest total passing touchdowns in a regular season: 50 (2007)
    Lowest interception total, season (minimum 2 starts): 8 (2007)
    Largest touchdown to interception difference: +42 (2007)

    21-game win streak statistics (including post-season)
    690 passes attempted
    412 passes completed
    4,953 passing yards
    34 passing touchdowns
    13 passes intercepted
    20.29 passing attempts per touchdown
    53.07 passing attempts per interception
    59.71 completion rate
    90.3 passer rating

    Career (as of January 20, 2008)
    86-24 (regular season), 100-26 (career) as a starter
    18.87 passing attempts per touchdown (career)
    42.74 passing attempts per interception (career)
    7-0 (career) in overtime games
    30-5 (career) in games decided by 3 points or fewer
    11-1 (career) in dome stadiums
    38-2 (career) on artificial surfaces
    27-4 (career) vs NFC teams
    84-1 (regular season) when the Patriots have a lead at any time in the fourth quarter[32]
    28 game-winning drives after a Patriots' fourth-quarter tie or deficit

    Post-season records and statistics
    NFL record for most consecutive wins in post season: 10 (broke record of Green Bay's Bart Starr).
    Most consecutive post season wins (college and professional combined): 12
    3 Super Bowl victories
    2 Super Bowl MVP awards
    Most completions in a Super Bowl (32 in Super Bowl XXXVIII)
    Highest completion percentage in a single game, minimum 20 attempts (26 of 28, 92.9%, against Jacksonville in 2007 AFC Divisional round)[33


  2. Couple of things, brady won 3 other superbowl with basically no star wrs. Anybody tell me how Brown,branch, and givens are fairing with the rest of their NFL careers. 2nd 2 of those superbowl were basically without a consistent rb.


    Its simple

    The patriots without moss dont go undefeated

    The patriots without brady dont win 10 games

    The patriot without their current offensive line wouldnt be a
    .500 ball club.


    and no you cant just play musical qbs and plug any qb in to that offense and say they are just as succesful, brady fits that team to a tee. people forget brady wasnt drafted to be a starter the guy won the job and kept it from what some say was a probowl qb.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by rugger48 View Post
    Couple of things, brady won 3 other superbowl with basically no star wrs. Anybody tell me how Brown,branch, and givens are fairing with the rest of their NFL careers. 2nd 2 of those superbowl were basically without a consistent rb.


    Its simple

    The patriots without moss dont go undefeated

    The patriots without brady dont win 10 games

    The patriot without their current offensive line wouldnt be a
    .500 ball club.


    and no you cant just play musical qbs and plug any qb in to that offense and say they are just as succesful, brady fits that team to a tee. people forget brady wasnt drafted to be a starter the guy won the job and kept it from what some say was a probowl qb.
    I disagree completely. Brady is a perfect fit for that offense because of his accurate, game-control style. You could not 'plug and play', but my above point was that he is not the sole reason for their success, no player is. Conversely, I was making the point that another QB could have success in that offense pending his ability to play within that system.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I disagree completely. Brady is a perfect fit for that offense because of his accurate, game-control style. You could not 'plug and play', but my above point was that he is not the sole reason for their success, no player is. Conversely, I was making the point that another QB could have success in that offense pending his ability to play within that system.

    Isnt that what i just said.

  5. No, it wasn't. You stated that without Brady that team does not achieve 10 wins, implying another QB could not assist them to win 10 games. I said I disagree.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    No, it wasn't. You stated that without Brady that team does not achieve 10 wins, implying another QB could not assist them to win 10 games. I said I disagree.
    I didnt imply that at all, their are some qbs that they would win 10 games with this year, but previous ones I disagree. I dont think they win 3 superbowls without him.

  7. it is still too early in his career to be the "greatest"

  8. Quote Originally Posted by rugger48 View Post
    I didnt imply that at all, their are some qbs that they would win 10 games with this year, but previous ones I disagree. I dont think they win 3 superbowls without him.
    Are you sure?

    The patriots without brady dont win 10 games

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Are you sure?
    Honestly i agree with him mullet. Yes the pats have a very good team in general that are effective in all aspects of the game, however the dynamic that brady adds to the team is quite remarkable and unique. I agree many qb's would be effective in their offensive set, but qb's like brady and manning have unique characteristics to them that define their teams success. I honestly don't believe that New England would have won 3 superbowls without him. They may have done well, but he makes them that much better in the end.

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  10. Oh no, he definitely pioneered those wins, and was a very large aspect of them; I was only disagreeing with the 10 win comment, and the 'Are you sure?' was directed at rugger saying he did not imply that.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    it is still too early in his career to be the "greatest"
    Thank you for seeing it this way. Brady has another 5-6 good years if he stays relatively healthy. He's a South Bay Area guy so I secretely root for him as well as Jeff Garcia and Trent Edwards. He may win another 2-3 Super Bowls or he may not win another one after this year. The NFL is unpredictable these days so let's all be patient and bump this thread 5-6 years from now

    Brady not put up Play Station stats, 50TD's to 8 INT's. That's 6.25 TD's per INT, an unheard of ratio.

    A few mentioned that Brady hasn't had any stellar moments like Montana, Elway, or Favre. What about the Super Bowl upset against the Rams ? What about the come from behind win agaisnt the Raiders in the tuck rule game ? He still had to make many plays to bring the Pats back against the Raiders.

    Brady did throw 3INT's vs. San Diego but that's an hiccup, he's too damn good to the same thing again.

    Someone mentioned that the Pats wouldn't be a 10 game winner w/out him. Let's be realistic though, take away Manning out of the Colts, Romo out of the Cowboys, Roethlisberger out of the Steelers and suddenly you have an average squad because this is the most crucial position in the NFL, that's why they make tons of ca$h.

    One thing I would like to see is Brady leading another team to a Super Bowl win or strong Super Bowl run at the end of his career. I think this is what shows Montana's true greatness since he led the Chiefs to the AFC title game. His main offensive threat was an old Marcus Allen. He did this after he had suffered what was considered 2 career ending injuries, one in 1986 and the other in 1990, both against the freaking Giants !

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Oh no, he definitely pioneered those wins, and was a very large aspect of them; I was only disagreeing with the 10 win comment, and the 'Are you sure?' was directed at rugger saying he did not imply that.
    Oh.....my bad

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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    it is still too early in his career to be the "greatest"

    Not if he ties and/or beats those who are deemed the greatest in terms of stats (on a yearly basis, not career) and Superbowl wins.
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  14. Let's spread some of the credit to his O-line. Those guys give him just ridiculous amounts of time in the pocket. Any NFL QB would be good with that much time.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend View Post
    Let's spread some of the credit to his O-line. Those guys give him just ridiculous amounts of time in the pocket. Any NFL QB would be good with that much time.
    Every great QB had a great O line. Its ALL relative. In fact, if I look at the Colts line (when Manning broke the record) and Montana's great years, I think they had MORE offensive talent then New England has now.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend View Post
    Let's spread some of the credit to his O-line. Those guys give him just ridiculous amounts of time in the pocket. Any NFL QB would be good with that much time.
    True, but he's very decisive and has great footwork in the pocket. Those little things can be the difference between getting sacked or completing a clutch 3rd & long pass

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Kramer View Post
    Every great QB had a great O line. Its ALL relative. In fact, if I look at the Colts line (when Manning broke the record) and Montana's great years, I think they had MORE offensive talent then New England has now.
    The 1989 49ers squad was loaded ! The difference was that Roger Craig and Tom Rathman were lethal receiving threats out of the backfield. Faulk is good but Craig led the 49ers receiving during the Jerry Rice era. Craig also had 1,000+ yards receiving and 1,500+ rushing in one season, not bad for a guy who was started his career as a fullback.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Kramer View Post
    Every great QB had a great O line. Its ALL relative. In fact, if I look at the Colts line (when Manning broke the record) and Montana's great years, I think they had MORE offensive talent then New England has now.
    You make a valid point, but I'm not sure you can say Manning's/Montana's lines were better than Brady's.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior View Post
    True, but he's very decisive and has great footwork in the pocket. Those little things can be the difference between getting sacked or completing a clutch 3rd & long pass
    He's very calculated and cool.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend View Post
    You make a valid point, but I'm not sure you can say Manning's/Montana's lines were better than Brady's.
    Sure I can. I watched them all.

    Sacks allowed this year.

    New England 18 games 24 total

    Indy 17 games 23 allowed.


    Both were beat by Saints, Bengals, Packers and Browns.


    Colts led the league in 2005 and 2006
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Kramer View Post
    Sure I can. I watched them all.

    Sacks allowed this year.

    New England 18 games 24 total

    Indy 17 games 23 allowed.


    Both were beat by Saints, Bengals, Packers and Browns.


    Colts led the league in 2005 and 2006
    Sacks don't tell the whole story. Factors such as elusiveness, how long a QB holds onto the ball, etc play a part as well. Manning gets rid of the ball much quicker than Brady.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend View Post
    Manning gets rid of the ball much quicker than Brady.
    Maybe that's true, but in doing so manning also made more mistakes than brady in the end of the year. All in all the results and performances speak for themselves......brady is playing in the superbowl yet again, and manning will be at home watching it on tv again. You could go round and round all day long with the "Who's the better quarterback arguement." This year there's really no question about who it was. I'll completely agree to the fact that brady isn't the best QB ever "yet", but he's well on his way of accomplishing that feat if his progress and accomplishments continue.

    If the pats win this superbowl convincingly and complete the perfect season, they'll be no doubt in my mind he's one of the best to ever play the position. It's really amazing the similarities montana and brady have in their overall play, leadership and demeanor.

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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Maybe that's true, but in doing so manning also made more mistakes than brady in the end of the year. All in all the results and performances speak for themselves......brady is playing in the superbowl yet again, and manning will be at home watching it on tv again. You could go round and round all day long with the "Who's the better quarterback arguement." This year there's really no question about who it was. I'll completely agree to the fact that brady isn't the best QB ever "yet", but he's well on his way of accomplishing that feat if his progress and accomplishments continue.

    If the pats win this superbowl convincingly and complete the perfect season, they'll be no doubt in my mind he's one of the best to ever play the position. It's really amazing the similarities montana and brady have in their overall play, leadership and demeanor.
    As much as I hate the Pats, you have a strong argument if we want to talk bottom line.

    I don't see the Pats losing the superbowl, they're too damn efficient and confident this year... Oi!!

    It's going to doubly annoy me when they achieve that perfect record too... [deep sigh]
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by The_Reverend View Post
    Sacks don't tell the whole story. Factors such as elusiveness, how long a QB holds onto the ball, etc play a part as well. Manning gets rid of the ball much quicker than Brady.
    If he gets the ball off quicker then it should benefit his stats and performance more so than Brady. It didn't... which sort of proves the point even more.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Maybe that's true, but in doing so manning also made more mistakes than brady in the end of the year. All in all the results and performances speak for themselves......brady is playing in the superbowl yet again, and manning will be at home watching it on tv again. You could go round and round all day long with the "Who's the better quarterback arguement." This year there's really no question about who it was. I'll completely agree to the fact that brady isn't the best QB ever "yet", but he's well on his way of accomplishing that feat if his progress and accomplishments continue.

    If the pats win this superbowl convincingly and complete the perfect season, they'll be no doubt in my mind he's one of the best to ever play the position. It's really amazing the similarities montana and brady have in their overall play, leadership and demeanor.
    Where did all that come from? I wasn't arguing which QB is better.
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