Who are your 3 most OVER-RATED QB'S in the NFL?
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- 12-19-2007, 08:31 AM
I, at one time, thought that about Kitna "he wont win you any games, but he wont lose them either" but he's slowy loseing it. I think their OC deserves more of the blame. If they get down by 7 at any point early or late all he wants to do is throwSerious Nutrition Solutions Representative
12-19-2007, 08:59 AM
Distilled, I rarely get to watch Detroit in the Pittsburgh region but I definately can follow your logic with Kitna. The Steelers used to have a guy named Mike Tomczak that fit a similar description.
12-19-2007, 09:19 AM
Back on topic. I think Big Ben is legit (steelers ) I think he's the same kinda QB. He's having to learn to play without another intangeable WR in Randell El and the leadership lost in Bettis, not to mention all the stuff he's been thru since he's came into the league. Not to mention, from what i've watched, Willie Parker isn't a real consistant runner IMO
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12-19-2007, 09:37 AM
12-19-2007, 10:37 AM
The other one I don't get is Tony Gonzalez over Kellen Winslow Jr. Again, similar stats. But the Chiefs suck and I always think when stats are similar that the guy who is contributing to the better team should get the nod. Maybe that's just me.
12-19-2007, 11:29 AM
I was discussing Ben's status over a few drinks with my buddies the other night. I picked 7 QBs that I would rather have over Ben and 5 others that I picked as equals (according to this season only, to clarify). So, he wouldn't have made the pro bowl if my vote was the deciding the factor.
I've only watched Gerrard 2 or 3 times this season. He threw about 5 or 6 balls that our D-backs and LBs dropped against the Steelers. I was unimpressed based on that particular game only. On a side note, I was VERY impressed with how Jones-Drew attacked our blitzers on 3rd down throughout the whole game.
12-19-2007, 12:29 PM
12-22-2007, 04:56 PM
12-22-2007, 04:58 PM
Their is absolutly no way their are 7 qbs out their i would rather have than Roethlisberger. I like to see this list.
I think you are blaming way to much of whats is going wrong on him. Their are really only about 2-3 qbs that are playing better than him in the nfl. Anybody feel free to name a QB who has been sacked more than Big Ben and even has close to his numbers. Were talking about a qb that has 65 comp. percentage 32td and 11 ints all while being sacked 47 times.
just so we get an idea
brady has been sacked 20 times
these are the top 7 qbs in the nfl besides big ben, roethlisberger has 47 and is currently playing better than or eqaul to all these guys except brady.
Last edited by rugger48; 12-22-2007 at 05:28 PM.
12-22-2007, 07:35 PM
That's a pretty nice list dude. I can't remember exactly who I picked but I bet it was very similar to your list.
Of course, all of the guys on your list make quick reads and are very decisive with their decision making. Ben does neither.
This is why Ben is an overrated QB:
1) After his plant, he takes his first step sideways whether there is a pass rush or not. I'd say that side step accounts for 60 or 70% of his sack numbers. On the rare occasion when Ben steps up (as the QBs in your list do), he delivers the ball very well.
Sidenote: Ben's athleticism allows these lateral scrambles to work just fine in college and against crappy defenses. It'll secure a loss in the playoffs against consistent defenses though.
2) Poor presnap reads. He is OBLIVIOUS to about 1/2 of the blitzes that are coming... In Ben's defense, rumor mill says Washington and Holmes frequently miss hot routes so of course that could be a reason to hold onto the ball.
This makes it scary that OC Ariens BRAGS about Ben coordinating the blocking assignments for the line.
3) Poor deep ball. For example, Holmes has his man beat by 3 to 4 steps on the first play offensively against St.Louis. Ben hesitates to wait, why??? you tell me???, and throws what looks to be a wounded punt about 10 yards short forcing Holmes to slow his route (and make a SPECTACULAR adjustment shielding the defender from the ball btw).
Ben has good qualities such as his toughness. I've also seen a HUGE turnaround this season with NOT throwing into double coverage and/or forcing the ball, which may contribute to the # of sacks. So yes, I'll take a red zone sack followed by a field goal over his red zone INTs from last season.
Last point: It's not all Ben's fault. Mahan consistently lands on his back with feet his feet in the air. Then there's usually at least 1 other lineman per game who comes in a close second. This weeks' second worst pass blocker goes to Heath Miller.
12-22-2007, 08:17 PM
Every thing you said are things that alot of qbs do. when a pocket collapses as much as the steelers does I doubt any will be able to step into it. As far as his scrambling only working in college, i beg to differ he one of the hardest qb to bring down in the NFL I cant imagine how many sacks he would have had if he didnt go outside the pocket. To pick apart every single pass is just plain crazy. I watched manning 1st lost this season i wonder who the hell he is throwing the ball to, you know how many deep balls of brady's would have been int if it wasnt for moss, qb makes these mistakes. All Im telling is more mistakes can happen when a qb has half the time in the pocket to make plays. Steelers lost to the jets do you know how many times he was sacked that game, 7 times, how does a playoff caliber line with a 5 time probowler give up 7 sacks, we also gave 4 sacks to st lous, how does that happen. Like I said I would blame alot on the surrounding cast before I threw Ben under the bus, their might be only 2 qbs in the league I would rather have under center than him. After this year is over I might only consider 1 of the 2. And before I would say that he doesnt make quick decisions, I would 1st ask yourself how many 3 step drops does ben even get a chance to make this season. I dont think he has had 1 I have seen this year.
His stats speak for themselves, you wont be able to find a qb with better performance that has more than 30 sacks. He has a 3-1 td to int ration and a 65% rate those are incredible numbers. None of the top qbs in the league today would even have close to those numbers with the same oline.
What will lose or 1 st playoff game will be our defenses ability to lay down when the game is on the line, and the oline inability to block for sufficient amount of time.
Last edited by rugger48; 12-22-2007 at 08:33 PM.
12-22-2007, 09:02 PM
12-23-2007, 09:41 AM
To your point in another post, Arians is also to blame for not making adjustments to protect his QB. Again, he's your biggest problem. The guy sucks at his job.
I'm glad he's the Steelers' OC!
12-23-2007, 03:49 PM
12-25-2007, 01:40 PM
Eli Manning - Should be doing much more with those weapons
Trent Edwards -Watch out for him in the near future !
12-25-2007, 02:17 PM
how about under rated QBs of the past?
Randel Cunningham <- spelled wrong im sure.
Jim Kelly being the best out of the bunch.
12-25-2007, 06:28 PM
12-26-2007, 08:50 AM
12-26-2007, 10:29 PM
I think Neil O'Donnell, Bernie Kosar, and Phil Simms were overrated QB's of the past.
12-26-2007, 10:41 PM
12-26-2007, 10:51 PM
12-26-2007, 11:03 PM
12-27-2007, 09:39 AM
12-27-2007, 09:49 AM
12-27-2007, 01:45 PM
One of the most over rated QB's was Mike Vick (a.k.a. - Ron Mexico). Gifted athlete without a doubt but only avg. QB when it came to reading the D. Maybe he'll make a good punt returner one day when he gets out of the slammer. If you don't know the Ron Mexico story then just Google the name. It's good for a laugh.
Also, I agree that Eli and McNabb are way over rated. Maybe Carson Palmer should join this list as well??
12-27-2007, 02:14 PM
I don't think McNabb is that overrated. He's not what he was 4-5 years ago but the guy's proven himself. He carried the Eagles on his back for years. He had no receving threats until TO came to town. His best receiver was Brian Westbrook for a while but Westbrook is a RB. His TD to INT ratio is better then 2:1 and he can make plays with his feet
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