[Distilled Water]

Originally Posted by MaDmaN

Farve overated give me a break..

Rogers did put up nice numbers when they needed him to come in, not to mention he lookd smooth also. Kitna had better numbers than Favre did last year.....KITNA...

[rugger48]

Originally Posted by celc5

Regardless of draft status, Brady stands tall in the pocket. He releases high and anticipates where his recievers are going to be very well. His eyes are also downfield during the center exchange and during his dropback. The only other current QB that I see doing that on a regular basis in Peyton.

If you watch brady hes making the same type of throws that you said Ben was making this year. Brady has thrown quite a few long balls short the difference has been Moss has been reeling them in. Im not saying brady is playing badly and definitly deserves the recognition, but if your gonna criticize big ben for making some off throws lets spread the love.

[Distilled Water]

As long as were talking about chuckin it up there dont forget about the king of just chucking it up there, Brett Favre

[celc5]

Originally Posted by rugger48

If you watch brady hes making the same type of throws that you said Ben was making this year. Brady has thrown quite a few long balls short the difference has been Moss has been reeling them in. Im not saying brady is playing badly and definitly deserves the recognition, but if your gonna criticize big ben for making some off throws lets spread the love.

I hear ya... Ben would be great if he had a tree for a reciever downfield. Problem is, our recievers are about 6 inches shorter, which again, makes it a less intelligent decision to "chuck." I'm not rooting for Brady or his bunch, just trying to be objective.

To give credit where credit is due, Ben has thrown into coverage significantly less than he did last year. He still throws a garbage deep ball so I'll maintain my position on that note.

[Reaper329]

Originally Posted by rugger48

I also disagree about Big Ben. Feel free to name any qb that has the stats he has that has been sacked 43 times. Problem with the steelers is they are overated as a team, oline even more so.


Whoever said TJackson is underated is nuts, only thing keeping Minny back from a superbowl appearance is a coach and a qb, jackson is really bad.

I disagree about Jackson entirely. He has a high skill set for a young kid. He is learning and will be a very good QB IMHO. Regarding the coach I agree 100%, Childress is an OC and always will be

[Reaper329]

Originally Posted by Distilled Water

Favre had a few good years (MVP years) but other than that I think he's the most overated QB ever. I'll give you he's one tough mofo and has an absolute cannon but has to make some of THE WORST decisions ever.

I think Romo is a little over rated and not worth his new contract.

Then McNabb and McNair. Are they always hurt or does it just seem that way.

I disagree about Favre. He is overrated in the same way Emmitt Smith would be, they are compilers and tough performers.

[Distilled Water]

Originally Posted by Reaper329

I disagree about Favre. He is overrated in the same way Emmitt Smith would be, they are compilers and tough performers.

Emmit SMith ran behind human trees for 8 years in dallas. I could have ran for 10,000 yards with that line. He doesn't even compare to Payton, Brown, or Sanders.

[bassgirl]

Originally Posted by Distilled Water

Rogers did put up nice numbers when they needed him to come in, not to mention he lookd smooth also. Kitna had better numbers than Favre did last year.....KITNA...

Yeah I gotta admit... I liked that kid.

[BUCKNUTS]

Originally Posted by Reaper329

I disagree about Jackson entirely. He has a high skill set for a young kid. He is learning and will be a very good QB IMHO. Regarding the coach I agree 100%, Childress is an OC and always will be

C'mon are you watching the same guy I am? the guy is not an NFL caliber qb the Vikings could be a real threat to the Cowboys and Packers with an actual qb. Childress would be a genius if he had Peyton Manning at qb, it's funny how that works.

OVER-RATED
1) Tony Romo - I need to see him perform at a high level for more than part of a season before I anoint him like everyone else has.
2)Eli Manning - same assessment as with Jackson, at least Jackson wasn't first pick overall.
3) Tom Brady - not really but I hate him so much I had to put him on my list.

[BULLDOG]

LOL Romo will be in the league 5 years and people will still be saying that. He's played half of last year and three quarters of this year

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by BULLDOG

OVERRATED
McNabb
Brady(offensive line is the key)
Favre(Rodgers can do just as good)
UNDERRATED
Romo (see last post)
Kitna

Brady overrated?.....my god i seriously hope you're kidding here.

[Reaper329]

Originally Posted by BUCKNUTS

C'mon are you watching the same guy I am? the guy is not an NFL caliber qb the Vikings could be a real threat to the Cowboys and Packers with an actual qb. Childress would be a genius if he had Peyton Manning at qb, it's funny how that works.

are you kidding? he has progressed at a rapid rate and has shwon tremendous improvement. I am not saying he is top 10, but he is getting better every week and as a young kid is keeping his team out there without making too many mistakes

[Distilled Water]

Originally Posted by Reaper329

are you kidding? he has progressed at a rapid rate and has shwon tremendous improvement. I am not saying he is top 10, but he is getting better every week and as a young kid is keeping his team out there without making too many mistakes

Thats huge. Too many QB's try to make plays when their teams need big plays instead of maneging the game and handing the ball off to a stud RB (Adrian Peterson).

I, at one time, thought that about Kitna "he wont win you any games, but he wont lose them either" but he's slowy loseing it. I think their OC deserves more of the blame. If they get down by 7 at any point early or late all he wants to do is throw

[celc5]

Originally Posted by Distilled Water

Thats huge. Too many QB's try to make plays when their teams need big plays instead of maneging the game and handing the ball off to a stud RB (Adrian Peterson).

I, at one time, thought that about Kitna "he wont win you any games, but he wont lose them either" but he's slowy loseing it. I think their OC deserves more of the blame. If they get down by 7 at any point early or late all he wants to do is throw

I agree philosophically with everything you say here. There's too many OC's that kill successful drives trying to get fancy.

Distilled, I rarely get to watch Detroit in the Pittsburgh region but I definately can follow your logic with Kitna. The Steelers used to have a guy named Mike Tomczak that fit a similar description.