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    Adrian Peterson - The Next Bo Jackson?


    Personally I think he is the best athlete in the running back position since Bo. But sometimes I feel like he is doomed to suffer the same fate - catastrophic injury cutting his hall of fame potential short.

    Just too big, too fast and too explosive - something has to give.

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    I hear you. He's a monster. You also have to look at the fact that all of Minnesota's opposing defenses should be doing nothing but looking for the run, because of their ****ty pass offense.

    He is definately a bad dude. That would be awesome if he broke Dickerson's rookie and season record.
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    He very well could be but as Bill Parcells likes to say, lets hold off on putting him in Canton just yet.

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    The guy has freakish physical ability. I haven't seen a RB with that many physical tools since Bo Jackson or even Christian Okoye. I've been actively watching football since 1987 so don't crucify me if I left someone out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior View Post
    The guy has freakish physical ability. I haven't seen a RB with that many physical tools since Bo Jackson or even Christian Okoye. I've been actively watching football since 1987 so don't crucify me if I left someone out.
    A guy that can set the NFL rushing record on a team without a QB or a deep threat? Thats insane.
    Teams can stack 8 men in the box against him all day and not get burned by a passing attack. They still cant stop him. Urlacher and Merriman both said it wasn't that they werent in the correct defensive scheme to stop him, they just could not physically stop him.

    We havent been this excited in Minnesota since Randy Moss left. Now all we need is a QB and on decent WR to go with Wade and Sidney Rice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    A guy that can set the NFL rushing record on a team without a QB or a deep threat? Thats insane.
    Teams can stack 8 men in the box against him all day and not get burned by a passing attack. They still cant stop him. Urlacher and Merriman both said it wasn't that they werent in the correct defensive scheme to stop him, they just could not physically stop him.
    Good post, he is amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    A guy that can set the NFL rushing record on a team without a QB or a deep threat? Thats insane.
    Teams can stack 8 men in the box against him all day and not get burned by a passing attack. They still cant stop him. Urlacher and Merriman both said it wasn't that they werent in the correct defensive scheme to stop him, they just could not physically stop him.

    We havent been this excited in Minnesota since Randy Moss left. Now all we need is a QB and on decent WR to go with Wade and Sidney Rice.
    Great points ! The guy has no supporting cast on offense. Give him a QB to take safeties out of the box and he'll be putting up 100 yards on a bad day.
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    Packers did some damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
    Packers did some damage.
    Adrian Peterson is a great runner but he has to have help. The Packers defense was smokin today. With his performance so far this season, no teams will be sleeping on him.
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    Problem being that Peterson has been known to be injury prone... is this just the beginning?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankJ View Post
    Personally I think he is the best athlete in the running back position since Bo. But sometimes I feel like he is doomed to suffer the same fate - catastrophic injury cutting his hall of fame potential short.

    Just too big, too fast and too explosive - something has to give.
    IF he is going ot get hurt i think it will be due to his physical nature of playing the game the way he does. I have yet to see him duck outtta bounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
    Problem being that Peterson has been known to be injury prone... is this just the beginning?
    A guy puts his helmet on your knee at the moment you are making a cut back. OF COURSE you are going to get hurt.
    This isnt the beginning of anything except bad luck and a cheap hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
    Problem being that Peterson has been known to be injury prone... is this just the beginning?
    It's easy to speculate now but RB is a tough position to play so there will be injuries regardless of how good you are. I think Barry Sanders and Curtis Martin are the only 2 great RB's that lasted 10 years with little or no damage. Just too much physical punishment and it catches up sooner or later. I saw a special on Earl Campbell and how ****ed up he is now due to the punishment he took with the Houston Oilers and it was quite the eye opener.
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    I have to agree with Iron Warrior. I don't believe Peterson is anymore injury prone than any other RB in the league, with the exception that he plays for the Vikings and they have zero passing game. If Peterson was playing with a well rounded team, for instance, the Dallas Cowboys (), then he would not be as vulnerable.

    Edit: Oh and IW, sorry about your 9er's last night. I was really pulling for them. RIP Richard Nolan
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    he wont be the next Bo Jackson. Hes a rookie and when he learns to know when and when not to run out of bounds. and if the Vikings can learn to pass the ball even a little bit. he will be as dominating as ever.
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    I hate to see that injury (even though it's supposed to be only one game he's out). I hope he continues to put up awesome number this season. I love to see records broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDAWG View Post

    Edit: Oh and IW, sorry about your 9er's last night. I was really pulling for them. RIP Richard Nolan
    Well, I think this is the first time a Cowboys fan has rooted for the 49ers Richard Nolan was an assisstant with the Cowboys before taking over for the 49ers in the 70's, may God bless his soul.

    That was a rough one. The 49ers showed no heart on offense and even looked scared at times. Play calling has been too conservative and it's getting on my nerves ! I think my blood pressure spiked up another 10 points after the game.
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    lol ya. i hate the 9ers but i was rootin for them too. probably just cuz i like Frank Gore and Vernon Davis and i dont like anyone on the Seahawks
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    A guy puts his helmet on your knee at the moment you are making a cut back. OF COURSE you are going to get hurt.
    This isnt the beginning of anything except bad luck and a cheap hit.
    Yes a cheap hit. Quite the genius eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior View Post
    It's easy to speculate now but RB is a tough position to play so there will be injuries regardless of how good you are. I think Barry Sanders and Curtis Martin are the only 2 great RB's that lasted 10 years with little or no damage. Just too much physical punishment and it catches up sooner or later. I saw a special on Earl Campbell and how ****ed up he is now due to the punishment he took with the Houston Oilers and it was quite the eye opener.

    No doubt, He missed quite a few college games due to injury though. That is my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    A guy puts his helmet on your knee at the moment you are making a cut back. OF COURSE you are going to get hurt.
    This isnt the beginning of anything except bad luck and a cheap hit.
    Thats not a cheap hit. He's a RB not a QB that just stepped up into the pocket and let the ball go. DB's and smaller LB have to go low to tackle a physical freak like Peterson.

    I hope thi injury isn't one that lingers, he could do some damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Thats not a cheap hit. He's a RB not a QB that just stepped up into the pocket and let the ball go. DB's and smaller LB have to go low to tackle a physical freak like Peterson.

    I hope thi injury isn't one that lingers, he could do some damage.
    I don't think it will be. It was an LCL so shouldn't put him out for more than a game. Hopefully. For Minnesota's sake anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Thats not a cheap hit. He's a RB not a QB that just stepped up into the pocket and let the ball go. DB's and smaller LB have to go low to tackle a physical freak like Peterson.

    I hope thi injury isn't one that lingers, he could do some damage.
    Exactly the guy tackling him was Al Harris, a CB and a good one, but big size difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IainDaniel View Post
    Yes a cheap hit. Quite the genius eh?
    That wasn't a cheap hit. Things happen fast when you're playing football. He could have also hit a teammate on the knee. There are several occasions where a teammate accidentally drives his helmet on a teammates leg, knee, etc.

    I don't know if you saw the injury that Bryant Young suffered in 1998 but it was a similar play and Ken Norton, Jr. (his teammate) sidelined him for the year on a hit to his lower leg.
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    wll i have a personal distaste for AP just because he is from oklahoma and i hate all sooners

    but he has skills. but like many said. let see what happens

    i mean hell he broke his collarbone celebrating in the endzone in college ya know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior View Post
    It's easy to speculate now but RB is a tough position to play so there will be injuries regardless of how good you are. I think Barry Sanders and Curtis Martin are the only 2 great RB's that lasted 10 years with little or no damage. Just too much physical punishment and it catches up sooner or later. I saw a special on Earl Campbell and how ****ed up he is now due to the punishment he took with the Houston Oilers and it was quite the eye opener.
    ahem Emmit Smith My take on this is that yes he is a freak but does anybody else remember in previous years when every one and their mother was saying Lt, Larry Johnson, Priest Holmes, Edgerrin James, Jamal Lewis etc... and how they were the next incarnation of Jim Brown or Eric Dickerson. I mean all these guys are very good running backs but the longevity just isn't their anymore I mean the average lifespan on a rb these days is 4 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    A guy that can set the NFL rushing record on a team without a QB or a deep threat? Thats insane.
    Teams can stack 8 men in the box against him all day and not get burned by a passing attack. They still cant stop him. Urlacher and Merriman both said it wasn't that they werent in the correct defensive scheme to stop him, they just could not physically stop him.

    We havent been this excited in Minnesota since Randy Moss left. Now all we need is a QB and on decent WR to go with Wade and Sidney Rice.
    I see your point about the lack of skill position support. But, there are some cattle on that Minnesota offensive line that are helping these backs run wild up there.

    Not to take anything away from AP though. He's a suprisingly versatile runner and burst onto the scene for sure. I'm VERY satisfied with the quality of running backs in the NFL right now and I keep watch for the youngster in Buffalo as well. ...now if only there were more than 3 or 4 quality QBs in the league to bring more excitement again

    RippedForce, good point about longevity. The guy that stands out in my mind is Marshall Faulk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    ahem Emmit Smith My take on this is that yes he is a freak but does anybody else remember in previous years when every one and their mother was saying Lt, Larry Johnson, Priest Holmes, Edgerrin James, Jamal Lewis etc... and how they were the next incarnation of Jim Brown or Eric Dickerson. I mean all these guys are very good running backs but the longevity just isn't their anymore I mean the average lifespan on a rb these days is 4 years.
    Cadillac Williams *ahem* talk of most impressive rookie ever then *ahem*.

    RB is a notoriously fickle position. I'll reserve my judgment for another few years.
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    If he can stay healthy - and that's a big if - I believe he has the potential to be one the best to ever play the position. He is simply an amazing athlete. But it's hard to stay healthy in this sport, and with his history of past injuries... Only time can tell.

    But he is definitely the real deal and I look forward to watching his performances for as long as he's around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63 View Post
    ahem Emmit Smith My take on this is that yes he is a freak but does anybody else remember in previous years when every one and their mother was saying Lt, Larry Johnson, Priest Holmes, Edgerrin James, Jamal Lewis etc... and how they were the next incarnation of Jim Brown or Eric Dickerson. I mean all these guys are very good running backs but the longevity just isn't their anymore I mean the average lifespan on a rb these days is 4 years.

    I dont know why LT would be put in that group, those are all good rbs , but LT has earned the right to be mention with elite rbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaddow View Post
    If he can stay healthy - and that's a big if - I believe he has the potential to be one the best to ever play the position. He is simply an amazing athlete. But it's hard to stay healthy in this sport, and with his history of past injuries... Only time can tell.

    But he is definitely the real deal and I look forward to watching his performances for as long as he's around.
    The hype about AP's injury history is so overplayed. He has had a series of freak injuries that have little to do with his running style. Here is a summary of his injuries.

    2004:
    Oklahoma played 13 games. Peterson played in everyone of them. He started 8. He ran for 2040 yds on 339 carries for over 6 yards a carry and 15 TDs.

    2005:
    Oklahoma played 12 games. Peterson played in 11 of them. He started 8 games, and played only part of 3 games. He ran for 1195 yards on 220 carries for almost 5.5 yards per carry & 14 TDs. He only got 11 carries in the 3 games, so for argument sake I'll say he really only played in 9 of the 12 games. His injury? An ankle sprain. So rare for a RB. A devastating injury they said. One that is impossible to comeback from, and that plagues football players for years......... Didn't happen.

    2006:
    Heisman contender for the first 6 games until he got hurt on a freak play where he dove into the endzone and broke his collarbone. We are talking about a collarbone breaking. The definition of a freak injury. Up until then, he averaged 5.85 yards a carry.

    2007:
    Was solid in his first 3 games averaging 21 carries and 90 yards a game. Broke out against Green Bay and averaged nearly 10 yards a carry on 12 carries in the first half. Brad Childress kept him out of the 2nd half of the game and fans were very upset. Took the reigns off the next week vs the Bears and AP broke out for 224 yards on 20 carries. Had two mediocre games the next 2 weeks, then set the NFL rushing record against the Chargers. The following week against the Vikings most bitter *****, the Green Bay Packers defensive players putting out bounties to each other to keep him under 100 yards. The Vikings had a historically bad game and in the 3rd quarter Al Harris (desperate to hold AP under 100 yards in a game they were absolutely dominating) over zealously dove at AP's knee from behind and to the side when AP was making a cut. If that is not a freak occurrence I don't know what is. The result was that he tore the ligament in his knee that keeps it from bending outward. He was back in practice about 10 days later, and would have played after missing one game had it been a playoff game. And this is with a coach that is very conservative and is doing everything to protect AP.

    These are not signs of chronic injuries such as pulled muscles, they are bones breaking and ligaments tearing. If someone hits you in a bad way your bones and ligaments are only made to give so much. Hamstring/Joint/Groin problems would indicated he is injury prone.

    Running backs do have a short shelf life in the NFL but AP's past injuries don't indicate at all that he will have a short career.
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    I thought he dislocated his shoulder as well ...I'm less familiar with AP so it's possible the source on ESPN got that confused with the collarbone issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    These are not signs of chronic injuries such as pulled muscles, they are bones breaking and ligaments tearing. If someone hits you in a bad way your bones and ligaments are only made to give so much. Hamstring/Joint/Groin problems would indicated he is injury prone.
    I disagree because it suggests structure is not as tough as his muscles are strong/fast. Plus he is big, energy is mass * acceleration. His body produces a massive amount of energy that possibly his frame cant contain.

    AP has a small-frame, and explosive musculature, much like a bodybuilder. Many bodybuilders were formally freakish sports stars who were too frequently injured.

    I hope they sit him a couple more weeks. Id rather have him play 12 games a year for 10 years than 16 games for 5 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankJ View Post
    I disagree because it suggests structure is not as tough as his muscles are strong/fast. Plus he is big, energy is mass * acceleration. His body produces a massive amount of energy that possibly his frame cant contain.

    AP has a small-frame, and explosive musculature, much like a bodybuilder. Many bodybuilders were formally freakish sports stars who were too frequently injured.

    I hope they sit him a couple more weeks. Id rather have him play 12 games a year for 10 years than 16 games for 5 years.
    You did not even address his injuries in your "argument". Like I said, his injuries are all freakish occurances and nothing can prevent a bone from breaking or tendon from tearing that part of your body his hit perfectly so it has to bear all of the force.
    And once again, you are not a doctor. Brad Childress is one of the most conservative coaches in the NFL and would not do anything to jeopardize AP or his coaching career. I think he will be fine playing this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    You did not even address his injuries in your "argument". Like I said, his injuries are all freakish occurances and nothing can prevent a bone from breaking or tendon from tearing that part of your body his hit perfectly so it has to bear all of the force.
    And once again, you are not a doctor. Brad Childress is one of the most conservative coaches in the NFL and would not do anything to jeopardize AP or his coaching career. I think he will be fine playing this week.
    I did address his injuries - they are all bone and tendon related just like you said. My "arguement" is that his muscles are so explosive, it puts his bones and tendons at greater risk.

    Just like Bo Jackson.
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    CNorris, any info on the dislocated shoulder? This is something that does NOT heal and will be a chronic problem even with surgery. If this is correct, then he'll be at risk every single play.

    A broken collarbone can heal and an ankle can be braced and taped up. These 2 should NOT be problems for the rook.

    The way you described the LCL sprain sounds nasty to me. Backs HATE to wear knee braces that provide medial and lateral stability unless they're a North/South bruiser.

    So far, I really enjoy watching his running style. I'm just trying to be an objective NFL fan looking in from the outside.
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    By definition a 'freak occurrence' is an improbable and infrequent event. When a single individual succumbs to a successive amount of 'freak occurrences' one logically sees a pattern. In AP's case, a pattern of minor injuries, suggesting a less than structurally integral frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    By definition a 'freak occurrence' is an improbable and infrequent event. When a single individual succumbs to a successive amount of 'freak occurrences' one logically sees a pattern. In AP's case, a pattern of minor injuries, suggesting a less than structurally integral frame.
    Your philosophical reasponse does not address the facts at hand.

    What makes it improbable and infrequent is the fact that you see people diving into end zones all the time without breaking collar bones. How many people break collar bones in football? Does AP have brittle bones? I doubt it if he was able to last in the NFL without breaking any other bone than one of the most bones that one of the more improbable ones to break.

    Also a person diving from behind and from the side and puts his helmet on your knee the second you make a cut is a freak occurance.

    Sure there is a pattern developing, a pattern of freak occurances, but when the injuries are looked at individually none can suggest they have ANYTHING to do with the biology of the player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by celc5 View Post
    CNorris, any info on the dislocated shoulder? This is something that does NOT heal and will be a chronic problem even with surgery. If this is correct, then he'll be at risk every single play.

    A broken collarbone can heal and an ankle can be braced and taped up. These 2 should NOT be problems for the rook.

    The way you described the LCL sprain sounds nasty to me. Backs HATE to wear knee braces that provide medial and lateral stability unless they're a North/South bruiser.

    So far, I really enjoy watching his running style. I'm just trying to be an objective NFL fan looking in from the outside.
    I have not heard anything about a dislocated shoulder.

    A ligament tear never sounds good, but the LCL is by far the one you want to tear if any. AP said he was symptom free after 10 days so it sounds fairly minor. I'm not even sure he is going to wear the brace next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNorris View Post
    Your philosophical reasponse does not address the facts at hand.

    What makes it improbable and infrequent is the fact that you see people diving into end zones all the time without breaking collar bones. How many people break collar bones in football? Does AP have brittle bones? I doubt it if he was able to last in the NFL without breaking any other bone than one of the most bones that one of the more improbable ones to break.

    Also a person diving from behind and from the side and puts his helmet on your knee the second you make a cut is a freak occurance.

    Sure there is a pattern developing, a pattern of freak occurances, but when the injuries are looked at individually none can suggest they have ANYTHING to do with the biology of the player.
    And your deliberate ignorance and contemptuousness prevents you from seeing the 'facts' you are attempting to expound in the first place.

    I am not sure what is the inherently difficult aspect of the definition of 'freak occurrence' you are having trouble grasping. If he were to jump into the endzone and break his collar bone, decontextualized from the rest of his injuries, therein you could classify that as freak. And that is your issue, decontextualization. Many things can be misconstrued once you remove them from context. If you forget all of AP's other injuries, you're right, he is not injury prone. However, they did occur, and as such, they add that cantankerous little constituent of reality you hate so much, context. Which allows us to properly frame the actions of an individual within a totality, which, crazy I know, I like to call reality. Welcome to it.
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