Chris Benoit found dead

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by MaDmaN View Post
    I agree but its more than about what drugs killed him it's the entire drug culture..Lets not pretend AS are safe and have no long lasting mental or physical effects,cause they do..
    Since there are no long term studies on the long term mental or physical effects of steroids in existence you'll have to pardon me for calling bull**** on this. There is certainly a potential for long term physical affects on the cardio vascular system and the hepatic system with acute and more so with chronic use, and especially with orals, but it has never been studied long term. No one knows if there's a threshold of use where possible incidence of long term side effects rise above statistical significance. Same with the mental aspects, many of the studies justifying that bull**** being based on short term overdosed studies of hamsters from what I recall.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by wojo View Post
    i used to be a huge fan of his..but right now i hope he burns in hell for murdering that child and his wife
    Dude, not arguing against what your saying, but you have NO idea what or why he may have done this...

    I have known people that have cried out for help for yrs, and then only to be ignored, even by me. I just didnt see it and then bam, one day they off the whole family .... happened to a best friend of mine who killed his g/f, and then one of my pops friend's who killed his parents when he was 25...and that was eons ago; my pop is 80 yrs old.....there's things that we do not understand about how the mind works .... people go off the deep end all the time. I cant damn him to hell for that IF that was the reason, his psyke that is...
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  3. I like how they are ignoring sleep depravation and every wrestler's breakfast of champions: painkillers and stimulants.

    IT R TEH ROIDZ!!!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Tiberius View Post
    I like how they are ignoring sleep depravation and every wrestler's breakfast of champions: painkillers and stimulants.

    IT R TEH ROIDZ!!!
    That's always my favorite part of the wrestler 'roid horror stories.

    Cop/Corroner: "He was known to use cocaine, amphetamenes, crystal meth, took pain killers and anti inflamatories in excess, drank a bottle of Jack Daniels a night, spent his life smashing his body onto a hard floor from heights, and he used steroids, and we found traces of all of these drugs and self abuse during is autopsy."

    Headline: "Wrestler Dies from Steroid Use"

    Report: "A famous wrestler died from using steroids..."

    Etc. etc. etc. etc.

  5. A woman tells News 1130 in Vancouver, B.C. that Chris Benoit's son Daniel had a condition called Fragile X syndrome. Wikipedia describes the symptoms:

    Aside from intellectual disability (mental retardation), prominent characteristics of the syndrome include an elongated face, large or protruding ears, flat feet, larger testicals in men (macroorchidism), and low muscle tone. Behavioral characteristics may include stereotypic movements (e.g., hand-flapping) and atypical social development, particularly shyness and limited eye contact. Some individuals with the fragile X syndrome also meet the diagnostic criteria for autism. While full mutation males tend to present with severe intellectual disability, the symptomology of full mutation females runs the gamut of minimally affected to severe intellectual disability, which may explain why females are underdiagnosed relative to males.

    The woman interviewed for the News 1130 story says her family was in contact with the Benoits, but they didn't want to go public with the disease and chose to keep things low profile. She added that families can be torn apart by the disease because it's very difficult to find help and support. She said, "You as a parent have to go out there and find what's available and it's not easy --they don't tell you."

    Fragile X Article.

    This may explain why Daniel was taking growth hormone injections. It also may shed light onto why Chris didn't want someone else raising his son and made the fateful decision to kill him. As irrrational and twisted as it may sound, he may have felt he was saving his son from the double-blow of losing his parents through a murder-suicide and being subject to being raised by people who didn't understand or care for his condition. While in no way justifying his actions, the belief that his son was in for a difficult life as it was, and now one without his parents, might have been Benoit's self-justification for his heinous act.
    http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publis...le_20656.shtml

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  6. Wow. That .... sucks. Kinda puts it into perspective though. Yeah he killed his wife, but crap I feel bad for the guy about being tortured with that kind of decision for his son.

  7. well that article makes it seem like strangling your wife is okay. That is a good conclusion as to why he killed his son but why his wife? Maybe a heated arguement that went into the deep end for him. Maybe she was leaving him again.....alot of maybes and speculations im curious to see how it turns out in the end.

    Is there still no info on the text message his friend recieved? Id like to know what that detailed, if anything.

  8. All the text messages have been released to the public. Basically they were all giving his address and information on his pets. It was weird, as he sent them to 2 wrestlers (chavo Guerrero and someone else). That is why they got freaked out by it

  9. http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/ne...oit-Events.htm

    Early Sunday morning, Benoit sent out the following text messages.

    Text Message 1 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit's cell phone
    "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"

    Text Message 2 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:53am)- Chris Benoit's cell phone
    "The dogs are in the enclosed pool area. Garage side door is open"

    Text Message 3 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:54am)- Nancy Benoit's cell phone
    "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
    Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"

    Text Message 4 to two co-workers (sent 6/24 at 3:55am)- Nancy Benoit's cell phone
    "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane.
    Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"

    Text Message 5 to one co-worker (sent 6/24 at 3:58am)- Nancy Benoit's cell phone
    "My address is 130 Green Meadow Lane. Fayetteville Georgia. 30215"

  10. Supposed WWE press release swiped from Lyle's board. Can't attest to it being genuine, but I have no reason to believe it was posted for any other reason but to spread info:

    STAMFORD, Conn., June 26, 2007 – World Wrestling Entertainment is stunned and saddened by the details released by local authorities concerning the double homicide-suicide involving Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and his son, Daniel.

    However, WWE is concerned with the sensationalistic reporting and speculation being undertaken by some members of the media following the press conference held by the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department and the District Attorney. During the press conference, the investigating authorities made the following points, all of which run contrary to the media speculation that "roid rage" was a factor in the senseless murders and suicide:

    1. The authorities stated that all drugs found in the house were believed to be legal prescriptions.

    2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit’s state of mind, and rightly did not do so.

    3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative.

    4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.

    5. WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts, especially when the authorities plainly stated there is no evidence that Benoit had steroids in his body, pending the toxicological reports, and that they had no evidence at this time as to the motive for these acts.

    WWE is continuing to monitor the ongoing investigation being conducted by local authorities.

  11. IMO (from what evidence etc. has been presented to us so far), Benoit had a heated argument with his wife which got violent and he probably killed her accidentally (heck, a wrestler vs a woman..) he may have been under the influence of something or other at the time. Once he came to his senses, he realized what he did and then took into account his son's illness (fragile-X blurb posted above) - figured if he was put behind bars, his kid would not get be raised properly with consideration to his illness and would not only suffer physically, but would have the mental trauma of his father killing his mother. Benoit thought that instead of leaving his kid to live with the mental torture as well as possible physical pain and neglect, he'd "mercy-kill" his son. Now with his family gone, he felt there was no reason to go on living and then offed himself.

    I pity him and wished things would've been different

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Y2Jversion1 View Post
    IMO (from what evidence etc. has been presented to us so far), Benoit had a heated argument with his wife which got violent and he probably killed her accidentally (heck, a wrestler vs a woman..) he may have been under the influence of something or other at the time. Once he came to his senses, he realized what he did and then took into account his son's illness (fragile-X blurb posted above) - figured if he was put behind bars, his kid would not get be raised properly with consideration to his illness and would not only suffer physically, but would have the mental trauma of his father killing his mother. Benoit thought that instead of leaving his kid to live with the mental torture as well as possible physical pain and neglect, he'd "mercy-kill" his son. Now with his family gone, he felt there was no reason to go on living and then offed himself.

    I pity him and wished things would've been different

    You don't "accidentally" tie up your wife's hands and feet. Any struggle was likely while he was doing that.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Tiberius View Post
    You don't "accidentally" tie up your wife's hands and feet. Any struggle was likely while he was doing that.
    I know it's probably unlikely, but I wonder about bondage or something along those lines. Still doesn't really explain the kid though...
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  14. My 'theory' about the tying up the hands and feet is this - after he killed his wife and realized what he did.. he may have tried to hide her by tying up the hands and feet, so the limbs don't flail about, and then wrapping her in a towel. Then he probably realized that he wont be able to get away with murder and then gave up on hiding the body and then continued with the "mercy-killing" of his son and then killed him self.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Y2Jversion1 View Post
    My 'theory' about the tying up the hands and feet is this - after he killed his wife and realized what he did.. he may have tried to hide her by tying up the hands and feet, so the limbs don't flail about, and then wrapping her in a towel. Then he probably realized that he wont be able to get away with murder and then gave up on hiding the body and then continued with the "mercy-killing" of his son and then killed him self.
    Doesn't fit. While the info hasn't been released, it's easy to tell if she was tied up before or after she died based on markings by the bindings. I guarantee they'll say she was tied up before she was murdered.

  16. more infor released is that the Benoits fought over their sons care, and there was a push by Nancy for Chris to lighten his schedule to help care for Daniel. Not saying this had anything to do with it, but you never know

  17. The Associated Press's latest article on the Benoit family tragedy

    Here is the AP article:

    Wrestler and Wife Argued Over Child Care
    Wednesday June 27, 5:45 pm ET
    By Greg Bluestein, Associated Press Writer

    Wrestler and Wife Argued Over Care of Retarded 7-Year-Old Son

    ATLANTA (AP) -- In the days before pro wrestler Chris Benoit killed his wife and child and hanged himself, the couple argued over whether he should stay home more to take care of their mentally retarded 7-year-old son, an attorney for the wrestling league said Wednesday.

    "I think it's fair to say that the subject of caring for that child was part of what made their relationship complicated and difficult, and it's something they were both constantly struggling with," said Jerry McDevitt, an attorney for World Wrestling Entertainment. "We do know it was a source of stress and consternation."

    McDevitt said the wrestling organization learned from the couple's friends and relatives that the Benoits were struggling with where to send the boy to school since he had recently finished kindergarten.

    He also said Benoit's wife didn't want him to quit wrestling, but she "wanted him to be at home more to care for the kid. She'd say she can't take care of him by herself when he was on the road."

    The child suffered from a rare medical condition called Fragile X Syndrome, an inherited form of mental retardation often accompanied by autism, McDevitt said.

    Over the past weekend, authorities said, Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine cable in the couple's suburban home. No motive was offered for the killings, which were discovered Monday.

    McDevitt said WWE has learned from friends that the Benoits were struggling to agree on where the boy should go to school. Nancy also wanted Chris to be home more often to help with the caring of their son, but stopped short of wanting him to quit wrestling.
    [LIST=1][*]For those who don't know what Fragile X is, here is what Wikipedia says regarding it:
    [*]Fragile X Syndrome is a syndrome of X-linked mental retardation. Boys with the syndrome may have large testes (macroorchidism), prognathism, hypotonia and autism, and a characteristic but variable face with large ears, long face, high-arched palate, and malocclusion. Additional abnormalities may include lordosis, heart defect, pectus excavatum, flat feet, shortening of the tubular bones of the hands, and joint laxity. Females who have one fragile chromosome and one normal X chromosome may range from normal to mild manifestations of the fragile X syndrome. The fragile X syndrome has an estimated incidence of 1 in 3600 males and 1 in 4,000-6,000 females.


    [*]Also from the Associated Press:
    [*]Professional wrestler Chris Benoit met with his personal physician hours before he allegedly killed his wife and son and then hanged himself in his basement, the doctor said Wednesday.
    [*]"He was in my office on Friday to stop by just to see my staff," said Dr. Phil Astin of metro Atlanta. "He certainly didn't show any signs of any distress or rage or anything."
    [*]Authorities say Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son Daniel and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine pulley over the weekend. No motive was offered for the killings, which were spread out over the weekend and discovered Monday.
    [*]Astin, who said he was Benoit's longtime friend and physician, said he had prescribed testosterone to Benoit because he suffered from low amounts of the hormone. He said the condition likely originated from previous steroid use. He would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed the day of the meeting.
    [*]"I'm still very surprised and shocked, especially with his child Daniel involved," said Benoit. "He worshipped his child."
    [*]Investigators said Benoit's 43-year-old wife was strangled Friday with what appeared to be a cable in an upstairs family room, and her feet and wrists were bound and there was blood under her head, indicating a possible struggle. Daniel was probably killed late Saturday or early Sunday, and his body was found in his bed, the district attorney said.
    [*]Before the killings, the family was struggling with how to care for the child, who suffered from a rare medical condition called Fragile X Syndrome, an inherited form of mental retardation often accompanied by autism, said Jerry McDevitt, an attorney for World Wrestling Entertainment.
    [*]"Him and Nancy were clearly struggling about this whole issue, about how to take care of Daniel," said McDevitt.
    [*]"I don't know what he confronted when he went back into the house," he said. "No one really knows that. We'll have to see. Clearly this issue of the son was a stressor on both of their relationships for some time."
    [*]District Attorney Scott Ballard said the autopsy indicated that there were no bruise marks on his neck, so authorities are now assuming he could have been killed using a choke hold. "It's a process of elimination," he said.
    [*]Anabolic steroids were found in Benoit's home, leading officials to wonder whether the drugs may have caused the muscle man nicknamed the "Canadian Crippler" to kill his wife and child and then himself.
    [*]The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., issued a news release Tuesday evening saying steroids "were not and could not be related to the cause of death" and that the findings indicate "deliberation, not rage." It also added that Benoit tested negative April 10, the last time he was tested for drugs.
    [*]"The drugs they had found in there, including the steroids, were all pursuant to legitimate prescription. We know they know which doctor prescribed it," McDevitt said. "There's no question, none of these drugs are out there, none of these drugs came from Internet pharmacies."
    [*]While steroids can cause the paranoia and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage," the drug is also associated with deep and lengthy bouts of depression.
    [*]"Just as you have the extreme high of when you're on steroids, you can get the opposite," said Dr. Todd Schlifstein, a clinical assistant professor at the New York University School of Medicine. "You can have a dramatic difference in mood swings. You can feel there's no hope, there's no future."
    ...... my younger sis has mental retardation (cerebral palsy) and autism - like a 24yr old woman with the brain of a 1yr old.. I can sympathize with what the family went through

  18. really trying to play the steroid card here....not working to well but for ignorant listeners, it was steroids that contributed to it. Need the autopsies. Anyone know if they can still check Test levels in the blood at this point?

  19. I watched Nancy Gracer last night (mistake) and she had Bret Hart on , he tried to go into the fact that steroids were not the root cause, and she cut him off and wouldnt let him talk.

    Then on the today show this am, McMahon was on and he and Meredith got into it a bit, and she was pushing steroids.

    Also, on Scarborough country last night (another crappy show) they had Road Warrior Animal on. He said it wasnt roid rage. He said "I have been around roid rage, and it doesnt last 48 hours".

    Man the media is going nuts on this

  20. So i figured it out...........

    The wife and son were killed by flying headbuts from the top rope, followed by a crippler cross-face. Anyway, I'm bummed about the family dying, but since I'm Mr Politically Incorrect, maybe his wife and son would be alive today if they'd just tapped out? It's all a storyline. He will re-emerge from the rafters during the first Raw of next year. The wife and kid are dead though. McMahon couldn't fit them into the storyline.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Totality View Post
    I watched Nancy Gracer last night (mistake) and she had Bret Hart on , he tried to go into the fact that steroids were not the root cause, and she cut him off and wouldnt let him talk.

    Then on the today show this am, McMahon was on and he and Meredith got into it a bit, and she was pushing steroids.

    Also, on Scarborough country last night (another crappy show) they had Road Warrior Animal on. He said it wasnt roid rage. He said "I have been around roid rage, and it doesnt last 48 hours".

    Man the media is going nuts on this
    The only positive is maybe there will be some blowback and some people will stop and think for a moment, and not buy it. It is pretty ridiculous though how hard the media is pushing the steroid angle on this. I watched O'Reilly last night and when a guy dared suggest that HGH injections might be related to the kid's illness and not the father being some freak who wanted everyone on evil steroids O'Reilly flipped out. The lack of knowledge coupled with passionate hatred of the substances on this issue is astounding sometimes. Christ, HGH isn't even a damn steroid and home injections of patients who need lots of care are not unheard of. I know several people who were trained by nurses and/or doctors themselves to administer insulin injections for diabetic parents.

  22. MSNBC news report video - interview with Vince McMahon, Lex Luger..again focusing on how steroids *must* have caused this..

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19474972/

  23. Benoit's Doctor friend's office raided:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes

    ATLANTA (AP) -- Federal drug agents and sheriff's officials raided the office of pro wrestler Chris Benoit's personal physician in search of records and other items, an official said Thursday.

    The raid at Dr. Phil Astin's office in Carrollton began Wednesday night and concluded early Thursday, said agent Chuvalo Truesdell, a spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Administration in Atlanta.

    A search warrant obtained by the Fayette County Sheriff's Department in connection with the Benoit investigation was executed there, he said.

    No arrests were made and Truesdell was unable to say what was seized. He said records were among the items being sought, but he could not be more specific.

    Astin did not return repeated calls to his cell phone from The Associated Press on Thursday.

    Benoit had been under the care of Astin, a longtime friend, for treatment of low testosterone levels. Astin said Wednesday the condition likely originated from previous steroid use.

    Astin prescribed testosterone for Benoit in the past but would not say what, if any, medications he prescribed when Benoit visited his office Friday.

    Over the weekend, Benoit killed his wife and son and then killed himself at their home in Fayetteville.

    Anabolic steroids were found in Benoit's home, leading officials to wonder whether the drugs played a role in the slayings. Some experts believe steroids cause paranoia, depression and violent outbursts known as "roid rage."

    Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
    They're really hammering the roid-rage angle...

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Y2Jversion1 View Post
    Benoit's Doctor friend's office raided:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes

    They're really hammering the roid-rage angle...
    I have to wonder why too. I mean, it's getting seriously bad.

  25. Its going to get much worse, or at least that is the feeling I am getting
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