[PumpingIron]

are you saying De La Hoya tested positive or the other guy?

and who knocked out who?

[PumpingIron]

Found it...Fernando Vargus...and Winny...

BOXING; Vargas Faults Drug Test - New York Times

[smeton_yea]

Thats who it was Fernando Vargus and winny. De la hoya still beat him and Vargus was younger, and more ripped. Vargus was dancing around and De was giving mostly power shots then out of no-where, almost like the Ali and Foreman fight , De out of no where came with speed that wasnt expected.That when the fight was stopped or a knockout. Cant remember

Two days prior to the weigh in Vargus gained or lost, one or the other, like thirteen lbs

[anabolicrhino]

Originally Posted by PumpingIron

Found it...Fernando Vargus...and Winny...

BOXING; Vargas Faults Drug Test - New York Times

I remember Vargas looking real hard and seemed impervious to any pain, but De la Hoya peppered him with so many uncontested punches to his face that, the ref had to stop it in the 11th !

[hill5673]

In his prime, De La Hoya wins due to his tremendous skill,heart,determination and speed. But age is speeds' worst enemy..
Today, PBF wins simply because he is very similar to De La Hoya when he was younger. And is IN his prime.

Common opponent Arturo Gatti. Both pretty much erased him so it will be a fight.

[PumpingIron]

De La Hoya's heart and determination are just a media biproduct. He knows how to work a crowd and make himself look like a good guy. I'm not saying that he isn't, but he is put on such a pedistal. I think Mayweather has much more determination in ths fight. He is moving up in weight and thats the major difference.

Floyd Mayweather Jr
Sex Male
Nationality US American
Alias Pretty Boy
Birth Name Floyd Joy Mayweather Jr.
Global ID 000352
Federal ID NV045572
Hometown Las Vegas, NV, USA
Birthplace Grand Rapids, MI, USA
Rated at Welterweight
World Rank 1 / 1215
Date of Birth 1977-02-24
Age 30
Reach 72''
Stance Orthodox
Height 5' 8
Trainer Roger Mayweather
Manager Self
W 37 (24 ko's) | L 0 | D 0 | Total 37

Oscar De La Hoya
Sex Male
Nationality US American
Alias Golden Boy
Global ID 008253
Federal ID CA036576
Hometown Los Angeles, CA, USA
Birthplace Montebello, CA, USA
Rated at Light Middleweight
World Rank 2 / 995
Date of Birth 1973-02-04
Age 34
Reach 73”
Stance Orthodox
Height 5' 10½
Trainer Freddie Roach
Manager Self
W 38 (30 ko's) | L 4 | D 0 | Total 42

There is only a 4 year age difference there. Hoya has a reach advantage. Hoya has 5 more fights under his belt, which translate into one win and those 4 loses.

Mayweather is at his peak. Hoya is just about to come off of that plateau. Hoya has fought more accomplished fighters than mayweather, but has lost to msot of them.

I still can't find any reason to pick against the Pretty Boy.

[dannyboy9]

Originally Posted by PumpingIron

De La Hoya's heart and determination are just a media biproduct. He knows how to work a crowd and make himself look like a good guy. I'm not saying that he isn't, but he is put on such a pedistal. I think Mayweather has much more determination in ths fight. He is moving up in weight and thats the major difference.

Floyd Mayweather Jr
Sex Male
Nationality US American
Alias Pretty Boy
Birth Name Floyd Joy Mayweather Jr.
Global ID 000352
Federal ID NV045572
Hometown Las Vegas, NV, USA
Birthplace Grand Rapids, MI, USA
Rated at Welterweight
World Rank 1 / 1215
Date of Birth 1977-02-24
Age 30
Reach 72''
Stance Orthodox
Height 5' 8
Trainer Roger Mayweather
Manager Self
W 37 (24 ko's) | L 0 | D 0 | Total 37

Oscar De La Hoya
Sex Male
Nationality US American
Alias Golden Boy
Global ID 008253
Federal ID CA036576
Hometown Los Angeles, CA, USA
Birthplace Montebello, CA, USA
Rated at Light Middleweight
World Rank 2 / 995
Date of Birth 1973-02-04
Age 34
Reach 73”
Stance Orthodox
Height 5' 10½
Trainer Freddie Roach
Manager Self
W 38 (30 ko's) | L 4 | D 0 | Total 42

There is only a 4 year age difference there. Hoya has a reach advantage. Hoya has 5 more fights under his belt, which translate into one win and those 4 loses.

Mayweather is at his peak. Hoya is just about to come off of that plateau. Hoya has fought more accomplished fighters than mayweather, but has lost to msot of them.

I still can't find any reason to pick against the Pretty Boy.

From the looks of it...me either lol.

[PumpingIron]

I think Vegas has him at 3:1

[smeton_yea]

JIm Braddock beat Max Bear in a total underdog fight. Where theres a will theres a way..this fight will show who is more hungry. De la hoyas gonna get paid so thats no thing to him, but could still be hungry for unknown reasons.
Mayweather could be hungry for whatever reason. @

I will decide on the day on the contest who I choose to win by lookign at there body language, reading them, like a book=)

In the Vargus, De la hoya fight I was for De but in this fight it could change , the day of the fight determines it

[dannyboy9]

You're a cheater... deciding who you're going to go with the day of the fight. Pfft...

[anabolicrhino]

Originally Posted by hill5673

Common opponent Arturo Gatti. Both pretty much erased him so it will be a fight.

Arturo Gatti - the human punching bag, "I thought I got points for bleeding"?

De la Hoya is the best defensive fighter ever! he could go the whole fight without taking a punch, but he knows the crowd wants to see him bleed!

I think there is more money on a second and third fight so De la Hoya in the upset !!!

[Mach .78]

I watched a few shows last night on HBO I think about this whole thing. I really didn't care for the way Mayweather acted during the press conference. His Doc says he's tired of the way people portray Mayweather in the press because he's not like that in real life. I don't think he saw press conference. I really would like to see De la Hoya take him for that reason alone. I despise punkass showboaters. Maybe they should match Mayweather up with that crazy black dude in MMA, what's his name? The dude that does the back flips off of the ropes and has a totally unpredictable style. I want to see him talk sh1t about him.

De la Hoya has his work cut out for him.

[smeton_yea]

may 5th at 4 pm right?

[PumpingIron]

Originally Posted by Mach .78

I watched a few shows last night on HBO I think about this whole thing. I really didn't care for the way Mayweather acted during the press conference. His Doc says he's tired of the way people portray Mayweather in the press because he's not like that in real life. I don't think he saw press conference. I really would like to see De la Hoya take him for that reason alone. I despise punkass showboaters. Maybe they should match Mayweather up with that crazy black dude in MMA, what's his name? The dude that does the back flips off of the ropes and has a totally unpredictable style. I want to see him talk sh1t about him.

De la Hoya has his work cut out for him.

A lot of that is for publicity. To help try and save the sport. Good guy vs. Bad guy. There is no way they could set De La Hoya up in that role. They tried once but it didn't work out.

[PumpingIron]

Originally Posted by smeton_yea

may 5th at 4 pm right?

Yes sir!

[somewhatgifted]

50-cent bet 1 million on mayweather, crazy. Mayweather by decision.