HUGE Brawl in the Fla International - Miami Game.

DieTrying · 10-18-2006, 12:41 AM

No college football program is perfect and I've never been a fan of the 'athletes are role-models' BS. UM has just taken it too far. Over the past several years the program has continued to spiral downhill on many levels and this is just another incident. Coker needs to be fired NOW..

**jmh80** · 10-18-2006, 01:31 AM

**jmh80** · 10-18-2006, 01:32 AM

The only thing I agree with is your last sentance, Die.

Most of the rest of your post is pure bull sh*t.
Pure bull sh*t.

DieTrying · 10-18-2006, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jmh80

The only thing I agree with is your last sentance, Die.

Most of the rest of your post is pure bull sh*t.
Pure bull sh*t.

What part don't you agree with? Lets look at the Canes over the past several years under Coker (aside from their actual performance)..
A. Brawl with the opposition in the tunnel coming off the field following a 37-point bowl loss …
B. Have players on your team recording a spectacularly profane rap song about group sex …
C. Stomp on the midfield logo of another team in what could only be an intentional pregame attempt to antagonize …
D. Your best WR is suspended indefinetly???
E. Use your cleats, helmets and fists in a five-minute brawl with another team -- no matter who started it …

I'm not saying that LSU and FIU have clean hands, but you can't get in 2 brawls in a 7 game span and not take a look in the mirror yourself. Any one of these incidents is bad enough, here are 5. And I agree with a previous post...you can't hope for the glory when you play well and then shy away from the truth when things are not.

**jmh80** · 10-18-2006, 01:52 AM

Rouge,
I won't change your mind about Miami. I've understood your position and opinion for a while now. I know this hasn't changed your opinion.

But - just hear me out for a second.

Let's consider the last brawl in CFB.
Sout Carolina and Clemson in late 2004.
Both of those teams didn't take a bowl bid. Effectively, those kids all served a one game ban.

How's it any different when 13 kids at Miami get suspended for one game also????

And where was the outrage from the rest of CFB after that game????

Better yet - where were the rest of the sanctimonious, high horse ridin' CFB fans calling for USC/CU to cancel the football program/kick most of the team off period/blaming both universities for Iran's nuclear program???? Yeah - it's gotten about that rediculous.

Yup - I know we have a reputation. But, that reputation was from 10 years ago.
Outside of Kellen Winslow wearing his heart on his sleeve (wouldn't you be yelling at someone if you played for Larry Coker?) a few years ago after the Vols game - what has happened at Miami since then that has somehow turned this program into the second coming of Al Queda???

It's because most CFB fans hate us for winning or they are too lazy to come up with anything else than some dumb, unfounded reputation.

I'm tired of it. Just tired of it.

Was I happy when we racked up over 200 yards of penalties yet beat Texas 46-3 in the 1991 Cotton Bowl?
Hell no.
Was I happy Luther Cambell was paying kids for interceptions and late hits?
Hell no.

The double standard between Miami and the rest of CFB just flat out pisses me off.
Make no mistake that had this happened anywhere else (see USC/CU in '04) - this is a story for a day or 2 and it doens't show up on the stupid Today Show.

(BTW - The whole Zook era just smacks of "high pot - I'm kettle"......)

**jmh80** · 10-18-2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DieTrying

What part don't you agree with? Lets look at the Canes over the past several years under Coker (aside from their actual performance)..
A. Brawl with the opposition in the tunnel coming off the field following a 37-point bowl loss …
B. Have players on your team recording a spectacularly profane rap song about group sex …
C. Stomp on the midfield logo of another team in what could only be an intentional pregame attempt to antagonize …
D. Your best WR is suspended indefinetly???
E. Use your cleats, helmets and fists in a five-minute brawl with another team -- no matter who started it …

I'm not saying that LSU and FIU have clean hands, but you can't get in 2 brawls in a 7 game span and not take a look in the mirror yourself. Any one of these incidents is bad enough, here are 5. And I agree with a previous post...you can't hope for the glory when you play well and then shy away from the truth when things are not.

Let's examine the supposed brawl with LSU...

Dwayne Bowe takes a game ball from a UM ball boy. Jon Beason sees this and assumes Bowe was picking on the ball boy (who was like 14 years old) and follows Bowe to get the ball back. LSU players turn around to see Beason talking smack or whatever to Bowe.

What do the LSU players start doing?

That's right - swinging helmets at Beason. 3 UM players go to try to help Beason out (without helmets on) and get knocked out.

Yeah - I think Miami caused that one too.

Yeah - the song was in bad taste. I'll admit that. It was terrible too.

Stomping on a logo? Where's your outrage at Michigan State planing an MSU flag at mid-field of Notre Dame???
Yeah it was stupid for them to stomp on the bird. But that's an incident ONLY at Miami???

Moore is a moron. He's not our best WR though. I don't dispute you that his actions were unjustifiable for a man.
I saw some of that when I was in school at Tennessee.
Also - 2 FSU players did the same thing last year (hit a woman).

Again - you have a LB tackling the holder. You have 2 other guys kicking him in the helmet and trying to punch him or whatever.
I don't dispute swinging the helmet was bad. Reddick should be suspended.

But - like I said before - did you expect the Miami players to go try to sing Coom-by-ya to the 3 FIU guys with Perrilli down on the ground????

DieTrying · 10-18-2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jmh80

But - like I said before - did you expect the Miami players to go try to sing Coom-by-ya to the 3 FIU guys with Perrilli down on the ground????

No. Again, no college football team is made of perfect angels, but the 'everybody hates us because we're so good' and 'we didn't start it' act is weak. Your probably right about the dislike for UM starting ten years ago. What has the program done to clean-up the image? Give Willie Williams a scholarship?

I was watching Mr. UM Michael Irvin talk about how deeply saddened he is by the way the program is shaping out, and I'm thinking to myself "wasn't this guy just caught with weed?"

And I'm not saying this stuff as a Gator fan, I'm saying it as a South Florida resident. I personally don't really care one way or another (as I played with and against a few current UM players), and would rather talking spend time talking about football.

**jmh80** · 10-18-2006, 02:37 AM

Yup. They took a chance on Willie.

What did he do while in school at UM?
NOTHING.
Yeah - he wasn't so great at coverage as a SLB.
Was he out living in some 500 grand house that a booster paid for out in SoCal?
No.

They gave Willie a chance. As far as I know - he was a model student-athlete while at UM.
What's the problem with that?

BTW - didn't FLA and FSU give Willie a scholarship also????
Pretty sure both teams were in his top 3...

**jmh80** · 10-18-2006, 02:40 AM

Rouge,
Yes - everything posted on the internet is factual.

Willie never had any brushes with the law while at UM.
Ryan Moore, yes.

Neither Sean Taylor nor Ray Lewis had high profile brushes with the law.

Not sure on the rest off the top of my head.

anabolicrhino · 10-18-2006, 08:32 AM

Shalala just completely contradicted herself on ESPN radio.
She said at her press conference that she did not watch the tape of the game( which is odd) then today on ESPN radio she said "we watched the tape frame by frame..." She gonna have to do some splain'n!

**jmh80** · 10-18-2006, 11:28 AM

RD - uhhhh, those blurbs were from when those guys were in the NFL?

BTW - a shot to the heart!!! An article by Amy Shipley - my mortal enemy!!!
WTF you tryin' to do to me here???

By the same token - should we be skewering Ohio St for Maurice Clarett for holding up a McDonalds? (Note that he wansn't on the team at the time...)

Whatever man - I don't understand why you are posting that - that stuff happened after those guys graduated...

Rhino - was that right after the game? I heard that Coker's first comments (linked on page 1 and commented by Bobo) were before he saw the tape.
Maybe that's what you mean by Shalala?
I'm SURE they watched whatever they had when talked with the ACC.

gators52 · 10-18-2006, 01:12 PM

jmh you keep refering to other college teams bad behavior and using that to justify Miami's actuions. However these incidents by other teams are normally a one time deal, your team keeps having these. If i was on the Miami squat during the LSU game and FIU game and the fights broke out like that I would be jumping to help my teamsates in a hearbeat. You obviously said the cleating and helmet swinging were bad but thats the main reason people keep talking about this. Also you have to wonder if the Miami players provoked these FIU guys the entire game...i have no idea if they did or not but i'm not going to accuse them, but just something to think about.

It's obvious they are going in the wrong direction, if they want to recruit problem kids on their team because they are the most tallented players in the country they then have to deal with those consequences. I'm hoping Miami stays away from standout Noel Devine for this reason. The kid is from my hometown and I've played against him in HS, but he's a troublemaker, despite his tallent i feel sorry for the university that takes a chance on him. I hope for Miami's sake they choose not to...even though some say he could be the next reggie bush.

For those of you who dont know who is he is, check this out it's unreal!
Putfile - Noel Devine Hurricane Remix LowRes

Also if you didn't know the theme song for that video "ballin boys" was written and sang by former miami hurricanes.

Innings Eater · 10-19-2006, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by anabolicrhino

Shalala just completely contradicted herself on ESPN radio.
She said at her press conference that she did not watch the tape of the game( which is odd) then today on ESPN radio she said "we watched the tape frame by frame..." She gonna have to do some splain'n!

Shalala has also announced a "zero tolerance policy" for the entire athletic deptartment at Miami. Better yet, she also said that she wouldn't watch the tape because "it would make me madder and I need to keep a cool head". What??!!.....Isn't she supposed to be in charge?
.....The cop-outs continue. Next they'll say that race is driving the public backlash.
With Houston Nutt doing OK at Arkansas now, I hear that Butch Davis IS available. At least when Davis was there you didn't see all this type stuff happening at Miami.

**jmh80** · 10-19-2006, 12:09 AM

Food for thought...
SI.com - Writers - Stewart Mandel: Miami's brawl was bad, but don't attack the program - Wednesday October 18, 2006 1:15PM