Was Lance on any sort of drugs?
10-15-2006 12:53 PM
: Clean or unclean natural or unnatural, its all semantics, how NATURAL is it to lift heavy amounts of steel with neither economic or self preservation as the reason? I agree with the idea of letting it all be accepted and lets see who comes out on top. Pro BB is the biggest farce there is, of course it looks absolutey badass to be that big and ripped but are those guys healthy, my 92 year old great aunt is probably healthier that guys on the verge of dehydration, starvation, liver problems etc etc. The colossal amount of time wasted in trying to prove who is "on" is pathetic. we all use supps ever pick a methyl anything off a tree?? I have never shot, butchered, and packed in my freezer 200 lbs of whey protein. Just my 2 cents no one is natural anymore, let it go.
10-16-2006 08:14 PM
but there's a difference, in say, protein compared to EPO. just my 2 cents
10-18-2006 12:05 PM
protein in a plastic bottle or protein on the hoof?
10-18-2006 04:58 PM
either or. they both help you recover. epo boosts blood along with many, many other things.
there both performance enhancers, but one actually is banned for a reason. becuase its going to help your performance in a unatural way. protein will help you recover from hard workouts.
its like bodybuilders. protein is very important for bb's, but steroids are what makes a pro.
10-18-2006 05:21 PM
saying lance wasn't using EPO or other stuff i've never even heard of is like saying ronnie doesn't use gear
they ALL use it .. they have to in order to compete .. in the end it IS a level playing field since they all use it
10-23-2006 06:44 PM
Hang'n & Bang'n
Isn't Lance on TRT?? He suffered from Testicular Cancer so i'm sure they removed his testes... that said, i'm sure his T levels are in the upper 1/3 of the range. How many guys his age will have T levels that high naturally?? I'm sure that was a big advantage for him...
10-24-2006 04:22 AM
i would like too say yes, but really how is one too know?
10-29-2006 03:28 PM
I just like how he confessed at the ESPY's. My jaw dropped during the silence.
SporTech Matter » You Tube Tuesday - Lance Armstrong ESPY Monologue
Here's some facts to chew on.
He has an extremely high aerobic threshold and therefore can maintain a higher cadence (often 120 rpm) in a lower gear than his competitors, most noticeably in the time trials. This style is in direct contrast to previous champions (e.g. Jan Ullrich and Miguel Indurain) who used a high gear and brute strength to win time trials. It is believed that a high cadence results in less fatigue in the leg muscles than a lower cadence requiring more severe leg muscle contractions. Ultimately the cardiovascular system is worked to a greater extent with a high cadence than with a lower, more muscular cadence. Because the leg muscles are taxed less with a high cadence pedaling style, they recover faster and the efforts can be sustained for longer periods of time. Armstrong dedicated a significant portion of his training to developing and maintaining a very efficient high cadence style.
Rare athletic physical attributes
All top cyclists have excellent physical attributes. Armstrong is no exception, although in one way, he may be unusual even for an elite athlete. He is near but not at the top aerobically, having a VO2 Max of 83.8 mL/kg/min — much higher than the average person (40-50) but not as high as that of some other elite cyclists, such as Miguel Indurain (88.0, although reports exist that Indurain tested at 92-94) or Greg LeMond (92.5). His heart is 30 percent larger than average; however, an enlarged heart is a common trait for many other athletes. He has a resting heart rate of 32-34 beats per minute with a max heart rate at 201 bpm. Armstrong's most unusual attribute may be his low lactate levels. During intense training, the levels of most racers range from 12 μL/kg to as much as 20 μL/kg; Armstrong doesn't go above 6 μL/kg. The result is that less lactic acid accumulates in Armstrong's system, therefore it is possible that he feels less fatigue from severe efforts and this may contribute to his ability to sustain the same level of physical effort as other elite racers with less fatigue and faster recovery times. Some theorize that his high pedaling cadence is designed to take advantage of this low lactate level. In contrast, other cyclists — like Jan Ullrich — rely on their anaerobic capacity, pushing a larger gear at a lower rate. Further improvements in Armstrong's physical attributes and performance have been attributed to training induced increases in his muscular efficiency indicating changes in muscle myosin type.
11-10-2006 01:33 AM
the low lacitc levels go along with he having 0 fast twitch muscle fiber. he's all slow twitch. he couldnt break a 60 second 400 if he wanted to. (running) over exadrated of course, but shows how he's built. those others might be able to output higher wattage on the bike, but lance can hold a steady pace for a longer time.
11-17-2006 05:43 PM
genetic supremecy via the needle
for those of you who don't know what EPO does for the body check it out. all cyclist know that Lance's superhuman traits are all side effects of EPO. everyone is in denile because we want to believe. cycling is dirty and it's unfair to the ones that are clean. YES THERE ARE SOME CLEAN RACERS. they just never win because of cheaters
Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
11-18-2006 12:55 PM
Originally Posted by Dredlockguy
I don't consider it cheating at all, they should use as well or they will lose like they are, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
11-18-2006 02:03 PM
Juicing does not make you a good athlete. You can't just juice and then say oh yeah by the way i'm goin to play football, baseball or even do a tour de france you have to have skills before juicing will help you do anything.
Just like juicing and lifting people think that its too hard so i'll juice to start and they end up no where, i see it at the gym i go to all the time. IMO i think they should just legalize it anyways cause most pro's juice anyways.
11-26-2006 12:32 PM
I'm not even going to vote on this poll, because I don't like the way it was phrased.
I think realistically it's pretty likely that he was using something, but to have 1 of the 2 options as he was on juice "big time" is not really fair nor necessarily accurate
edit: Also I do not think it's right that all cyclists should have to take any exogenous substances to be able to truly compete -- if they choose not to. I am very much against the idea of mandatory drug tests and such (in school except in certain situations and in 99% of cases in the workplace), but it might be a decent idea for there to be a natural competition (complete with polygraph and urinalysis for athletes), similar to more strict natty bodybuilding shows, in addition to free-for-all events...
I admittedly know little about cycling, but implementing a similar system in basically all sporting events seems to make some sense to me. Also, like someone else mentioned, I'd personally be way more prone to watching all 'superhuman' athletes compete.
Last edited by pist; 11-26-2006 at 12:44 PM.
Reason: to further elaborate
11-27-2006 11:34 PM
hey man, i like your approach to this.
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