Hmmmno...tribal tattoos on the face are badass:run:
Tyson :twisted:Tyson vs ALI
Both in their prime
WHo wins?
I say Ali
Ali, just because Tyson doesn't have the mental fortitude to beat him. Tyson was sadly his own worst enemy.Tyson vs ALI
Both in their prime
WHo wins?
I say Ali
Without a doubt Iron Mike would have kicked some serious ass.....while he isn't a technical fighter, the guy had no fear and an intimidation that will probably never be seen again. In that clip there is a guy that actaully runs to the corner and falls on the mat giving up....unrealTyson vs ALI
Both in their prime
WHo wins?
I say Ali
Evander Holyfield did.There have been tons of fighters as strong as Mike, and a few as quick too, but nobody that was able to see holes in his opponents and continually exploit them.
Those guys also had to go 15 rounds in those days. Much more conditioning would be required. Tyson also became big due to his outlandish quotes, entertaining press conferences, and his ability to get in trouble with the law. He'd make some incredible reality TV though, especially with that new face tat he has going on LOL.Sure Tyson was a beast. But the oldtime fights were tougher IMO. Some those old guys would fight 60-70 fights in a career. Now that tough.
Evander Holyfield did.
Even when he was younger his weakness' were there but nobody could last long enough to exploit them since the heavyweight division at that time was a joke (early in his career). His aura and intimidation ended fights before they even started. I think he went the distance twice and didn't look that impressive towards the end (tony tucker and someone else). After Buster Douglas his wekaness' were shown.
They said the same thing about a young George Foreman and Ali out thought him. He would have done the same with Tyson.
I don't think he was a great technical fighter at all. He couldn't adapt like Ali did. Ali could fight and win with any style.
True, but put holyfield against tyson back before he went to jail and holyfield would have ate the canvas in the first few rounds like everyone else......different tyson, different time.Yeah, I remember watching the holyfield tyson(the first) fight thinking tyson was going to end it at any second, but it never came. Evander just dismantled mike.
Yeah that's what I always thought. I was a big tyson fan, and a buddy of mine was a holyfield fan. He used to always say that tyson would get his ass kicked and I'd tell him he's nuts. Too bad they fought when they did and not when mike was at least a little sane. I give evander credit,but man I woulda like t have seen them fight years earlier.True, but put holyfield against tyson back before he went to jail and holyfield would have ate the canvas in the first few rounds like everyone else......different tyson, different time.
I don't think so at all. Tyson was the same fighter he was then IMO. People have this perception he was totally different. He wasn't. The aura around him certainly was. His preperation WAS different but his strategy and weakness' were the same. It would have been closer but I think Evander would still have frustrated and simply out boxed him. Differece is, Holyfield could take a beaten and keep going. Tyson never could. Most boxing analysts today even agree he wasn't that "great" of a boxer. He was intimidating, extremely powerfull and quick in a weak heavyweight division.True, but put holyfield against tyson back before he went to jail and holyfield would have ate the canvas in the first few rounds like everyone else......different tyson, different time.
Everyone is going to have differing opionions regarding tyson then and now. He definately was a different fighter after the rape trial conviction IMO. Prior to that event, nobody had ever exploited a weakness on tyson......they never had a chance to with most ko'd in the first 2 rounds. While I agree with most that he wasn't a distance fighter, but that however wasn't his stategy or mindset for the fight. If anyone was good at exploiting a boxers' weakness it was iron mike using nothing more than intimidation that opened up his opponents for a beating.......I think in the end tyson is really the one that beat himself....sad but true.I don't think so at all. Tyson was the same fighter he was then IMO. People have this perception he was totally different. He wasn't. The aura around him certainly was. His preperation WAS different but his strategy and weakness' were the same. It would have been closer but I think Evander would still have frustrated and simply out boxed him. Differece is, Holyfield could take a beaten and keep going. Tyson never could. Most boxing analysts today even agree he wasn't that "great" of a boxer. He was intimidating, extremely powerfull and quick in a weak heavyweight division.
Actually douglas whupped him prior to the rape trial. He went in there without fear, full of emotion from his mom passing, and nothing to lose. He stood toe to toe with mike, and got the win. More importantly, he showed that he could be beat. I think that was the turning point for mike, if for no other reason than I don't think he believed he could ever lose. Wait, on second thought, robin probably screwed mike up more than anything else in his career. The destructive power of poon.....Everyone is going to have differing opionions regarding tyson then and now. He definately was a different fighter after the rape trial conviction IMO. Prior to that event, nobody had ever exploited a weakness on tyson......they never had a chance to with most ko'd in the first 2 rounds. While I agree with most that he wasn't a distance fighter, but that however wasn't his stategy or mindset for the fight. If anyone was good at exploiting a boxers' weakness it was iron mike using nothing more than intimidation that opened up his opponents for a beating.......I think in the end tyson is really the one that beat himself....sad but true.
Very true, poon has the destructive power that could topple rome......while yes douglas did whoop up on him, just by watching that fight it was like mike wasn't even there. Douglas did what he had to do to beat him, and did it well......but that trial was the icing on the cake in his downfall from the top.Actually douglas whupped him prior to the rape trial. He went in there without fear, full of emotion from his mom passing, and nothing to lose. He stood toe to toe with mike, and got the win. More importantly, he showed that he could be beat. I think that was the turning point for mike, if for no other reason than I don't think he believed he could ever lose. Wait, on second thought, robin probably screwed mike up more than anything else in his career. The destructive power of poon.....
Hehe yep, poon is a cruel mistress indeed. Good points, he definitely wasn't there that day. I think it was very evident just by looking at his conditioning for that fight. I don't recall him being in worse physical shape( which still wasn't necessarily horrible, but a bit soft for him) at any other point in his career.Very true, poon has the destructive power that could topple rome......while yes douglas did whoop up on him, just by watching that fight it was like mike wasn't even there. Douglas did what he had to do to beat him, and did it well......but that trial was the icing on the cake in his downfall from the top.
Pretty good statement here. I think mike was his own worst enemy. Maybe not the best technical boxer, but man did he have potential. give him Gotti's heart and fortitude, and who knows...I give the young Tyson even odds with Ali or Foreman, just depends on what demons were dancing in his head that day.
I totally agree that his conditioning was definately subpar for that fight......but not only that, where the hell was his aggressive intimidation as a motivator....He couldn't have looked more flat that day, but guess it was bound to happen sooner or later. As far as mike's conditioning, when have you seen a boxer with a more impressive neck and traps than iron mike.Hehe yep, poon is a cruel mistress indeed. Good points, he definitely wasn't there that day. I think it was very evident just by looking at his conditioning for that fight. I don't recall him being in worse physical shape( which still wasn't necessarily horrible, but a bit soft for him) at any other point in his career.
Yeah he was always built solid. He looked like he could hit as hard as he did, which helped for the intimidation factor because he was short for a heavy weight. He did seem out of it for that fight. I think after douglas got up(even with the long count), he realized he was in some trouble. He obviously trained halfassed for the fight, and it was just busters day. The heavyweight division is in dire need of a guy like tyson right now, even with all the bad he brought to the game.I totally agree that his conditioning was definately subpar for that fight......but not only that, where the hell was his aggressive intimidation as a motivator....He couldn't have looked more flat that day, but guess it was bound to happen sooner or later. As far as mike's conditioning, when have you seen a boxer with a more impressive neck and traps than iron mike.
yepper, douglas got the longest count i've ever seen.....totally ridiculous.wasn't there a lot of speculation on the count? i seem to recall something like that, whether it's true or not i don't know. the claim was when douglas got knocked down, the count was ridiculously slow. however, when tyson was down, the count was much faster???? maybe i'm confused but that does ring a bell.
I totally agree, cus was the glue that held tyson together. He absolutely was a vicious puncher.....how many heavyweights have you seen that can throw a rt cross/uppercut combo with the speed and precision that he did.The turning point in Tyson's career was Cus's death. He was never the same fighter afterwards... not even close. Cus was Tyson's father, and was the tie that held Mike together emotionally. Had Cus lived longer, Tyson's career would have been a different story. Emotionally, he lost all heart to fight after Cus died. Tyson still won fights, but he slowly abandoned the style that Cus preached. Tyson's known for being a whirlwind fighter, but he wasn't early on in his career. Tyson was a vicious puncher that actually had technique and disciplined. Same with is life.... he slowly lost his career and his life.....
It was bull. You know who pushed that rumor and actually tried to get the fight nullified? Don King. Tyson got his ass whooped the fight. Octavio Sanchez was always a slow counter and if you watch Douglas he was sitting there waiting until he reached the 8 count to stand up because it was the end of a round. Get up, bell rings, you go rest.wasn't there a lot of speculation on the count? i seem to recall something like that, whether it's true or not i don't know. the claim was when douglas got knocked down, the count was ridiculously slow. however, when tyson was down, the count was much faster???? maybe i'm confused but that does ring a bell.
Several fighters showed his weakness but they were such weak opponents they couldn't exploit it. The divisions was weak as hell. Tyson's big fight was with Spinks who wasn't even a true heavyweight. He was light heavyweight. It took him 15 rounds in both fights to beat Holmes who was washed up and trying to tie Marciano record. He was your biggest challenger and showed why it was such a weak division. Only when you actually had talent develop such as Holyfield, Moore, Lewis, did the diviosn actually regain credibilty.Prior to that event, nobody had ever exploited a weakness on tyson......they never had a chance to with most ko'd in the first 2 rounds. While I agree with most that he wasn't a distance fighter, but that however wasn't his stategy or mindset for the fight. If anyone was good at exploiting a boxers' weakness it was iron mike using nothing more than intimidation that opened up his opponents for a beating.......I think in the end tyson is really the one that beat himself....sad but true.
Unless he got extremely lucky he wouldn't stand a chance against Arlovski. If Tyson was to go that route, he would be better off heading to Japan and fighting Bob Sapp. Much better chance and a bigger pay day.I'd like to see Tyson fight Andrei Arlovoski. What do you think?
Now that would be an awesome fight. I don't get to see near as mnay Pride fights as I'd like too...Unless he got extremely lucky he wouldn't stand a chance against Arlovski. If Tyson was to go that route, he would be better off heading to Japan and fighting Bob Sapp. Much better chance and a bigger pay day.
A fight I would love to see is Arlovski leaving the UFC and heading over to Pride to fight Emelianenko. I think Arlovski is awesome but Emelianenko may not be human.
Plenty of clips of Emelianenko here. Some exceelent ones on page 2.Now that would be an awesome fight. I don't get to see near as mnay Pride fights as I'd like too...
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