Best player in the NHL(currently)
- 03-14-2006, 02:09 AM
Originally Posted by Bobo
Thornton is overrated, in my opinion (I'm from Boston so I have gotten to see more of him than I have wanted to in the past few years).
He's definitely calm with the puck and good behind the net...but I'd definitely not say one of the top players in the game. Hell, when you get to playoffs the guy vanishes.
Jagr has been a favorite of mine for a long time. However, despite the fact he has amazing skill, I don't think he plays with a lot of heart sometimes. Some games he just doesnt show up. Also, he isnt much more than a parking cone in the defensive end.
Forsberg is a great player but, as has been said earlier, he has a hard time staying healthy.
Lecavalier is a very underrated player with more than his fair share of skill that can play in both ends of the rink.
Most underrated player in the NHL soon to become a superstar....Gionta. He's the kind of guy that shows up to win. He'll throw the body, dig in the corners, help out on D...anything to win. I really like his style of play.
Ovetchkin (I'm sure I spelled that one incorrectly) and Crosby are two others who will be making a nice impression on the league in a few years...the next superstars.
The league is in a state right now where there really arent any more superstars...no posterboys for the sport. No "great one", no Lemieux....I'm excited for one to step up.
- 03-14-2006, 02:11 AM
Originally Posted by Rodja
03-14-2006, 02:13 AM
wow, great minds think alike I guess lol.Originally Posted by Sunder
I'm rereading the thread more closely, after reading bobo's input I had to reply
Aside from Martin Brodeaur and Dominic Hasek, who are both on the path to retirement (sweeter the second time for hasek) we don't have any dominant goaltenders either anymore. It seems like we are plagued with flashes in the pan that burn out well before they should.
03-14-2006, 11:32 AM
03-14-2006, 12:40 PM
Correction the best ever. There are several good goaltenders, but they take time to develop. If Luongo goes to a better team, then he will finally get the recognition he deserves. The next great goaltender is Kari Lehtonen of Atlanta. This guy won the MVP of the Finnish Elite League when he was 18. By 07-08, he will establish himself as the best in the game.Originally Posted by Spectre32
03-14-2006, 02:37 PM
I would have said Jagr (hell yeah im a Ranger fan) but with the injures he got from those stupid olympics hes been slacking, a lot.
03-14-2006, 05:40 PM
Originally Posted by Wedgylx
Usually, no way. I just brought that up because his ability was questioned just because he wasn't the tops in scoring (or close to it).
The only knock I see on Forsberg is staying healthy. I just assumed when we were discussing the best player it was assumed he is healthy. Everyone sucks when they arne't playing! Many of the injuries are because he IS physical. If he wasn't then he wouldn't be as good but then he wouldn't get hurt as well Double edged sword.
I tihnk Jagr is the best pure offesnive threat but he has problems stepping up. You can frustrate him and get under his skin pretty easily. In high emotional games, such as the playoffs, he tends to disappear if he seen as "the man". Put him in a secondary role (as he was with Mario) and he can flourish. He doens't handle being the number one guy that well....as seen in Washington. He even wasn't that good with the Rangers up until this year but the new rules certainly help him. We'll see in the playoffs when those rules aren't enforced as much. And as already stated, he is horrible defensively.
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03-14-2006, 09:16 PM
This year he even criticized his Czech national teammates for resting everything on his shoulders..To me personally, that epitomizes the calibre of player he is. A player like Messier for example, the one Jagr was to have taken the captaincy from this year LIVES for moments when the hopes of each player on the team rests on his shoulders. Take the '94 Eastern Conference finals, Mess not only garuantees the win but scores a hat trick in the third period, forces a game seven and then leads the Rangers to the cup. Now, I realize we are talking best player right now, but with all the talk of clutch performance in this thread I think it can be argued Mess brought it when it had to be brought, everytime. Something that cannot be said about Jagr, and to me that is one of the defining characteristics of a great player.Originally Posted by Bobo
03-14-2006, 09:55 PM
03-15-2006, 02:14 AM
Best all around player right now Jagr/Forsberg
Jagr has more points but also more GP, they both have a +/- off 21.
Most talented Lecavalier or Ovechkin.
03-15-2006, 09:46 AM
Peter Forsberg is certainly the most talented player in the NHL, but his style has been hampered by the chronic injuries. Jagr is also an e****lent player, but he neglects the defensive zone frequently and is not the best "teammate" or leader quality player in the NHL.
I know I'll catch some flak here, but the best player in the NHL CURRENTLY is Ovechkin. What he does on that sorry-ass team is almost unbelievable. He's solid in both zones, is a fierce leader, and is physically dominating of players larger than him both with and without the puck.
A good case could also be made for Joe Thorton.
03-15-2006, 10:36 AM
I was watching the Caps game last night and Ovechkin was quite solid. I think he is very talanted but He few and far between on the Caps. I'm not saying my team(Penguins) is in any better shape but so far since the trade deadline we have been winning. Once malkin gets here pittsburgh is going to have a pretty fierce squad. I know right now we have almost the youngest team in the NHL. Gonchar is a massive dissapointment.
03-15-2006, 04:51 PM
Give Ovechkin another couple years, while he's close I don't think hes quite there yet. I'll agree what he does is shocking when you think about what he has as teammatesOriginally Posted by uhockey
03-15-2006, 05:13 PM
When Malkin makes it to the NHL, Pittsburgh will have a hell of a team...if they are still in Pittsburgh.
03-15-2006, 05:20 PM
03-15-2006, 08:33 PM
There not going bankrupt there just not getting what they desirve. Like PGH need s anew arena, just at least in terms of having quality shows come though and such. THey way they(mario and the pens) want it done is very benefical to taxpayers b/c no one pays for it. SInce were(PA) getting slots licances it is the best way for the city and the region. PGH is only going to get one licance and there are two active bidders for it. The pens and some other guy. Both have good idea for the slots and such but the Pen 's ideas is more benefical to the city as a whole. The gov of PA heavly supports Philla over PGH so there is some contrversy there. THe teams finical toruble are non-existant. The fan base for the pens is bigger than that of the Pirates. Even though were loosing there consistantly between 12-15K worth of people at the games every time they play. So it not really the team going bankrupt, its them not getting a new arena. It will be one of those 11th hour deals and the city will bail the team out. My uncle is a Chielf for the Firedept in PGH and the tax revenue that the city brings in from the games is something on the order of paying the entire months pay for a Truck and Engine Company.....off of one night of the pens playing. There gonan be around.
03-15-2006, 10:24 PM
Send Pitt to Portland, move Detroit to the Eastern Conference. Then Columbus will be the only EST team in the West.....and I really can't see the Panthers remaining in Miami too much longer.
As for pitt someday being good.......what, Malkin is going to make their defense less horrid? Fleury is going to live up to the hype? Gonchar is going to start playing defense?? They are the worst team in the NHL and even with Malkin they will cleanse the cellar next season unless they make some serious free agent moves.
03-15-2006, 10:40 PM
Although I agree with the defense comment as their entire back-end is generic quality due to the constant fire-sales of good players in recent years, IMO Fleury will live upto the hype at some point. I think he has shown promise this year, although he makes mistakes he has also kept them in some games they never deserved to be in.Originally Posted by uhockey
03-16-2006, 12:19 AM
Malkin is better defensively then Ovechkin is so everything youre saying about AO can be said for Malkin. I think he will make as big of a difference for the pens as AO is for the caps. And i love the idea of detroit going to the east. im sick of my avs facing them in the playoffs. well... when they lose to em anyways.Originally Posted by uhockey
03-19-2006, 08:32 PM
I'll go with Markus Naslund. He's been injured for the whole year with a bad groin, but kept on playing. He missed out on Gold, is playing with an underachieving line mate, but he'll prove his worth
03-20-2006, 05:24 PM
Daniel Alfredsson had some very interesting comments on Alexander Ovechkin and Sidney Crosby in an interview for the Ottawa Sun this week.
Here are some quotes from the interview with the Sens' captain
"He (Ovechkin) can make chicken soup out of chicken (bleep)," said Alfredsson. "Everybody is coached so well, every defenceman knows how to play the one-on-one. It's very rare that you see it and he can beat people clean. That's the key. He can create chances from nothing, really.''
"Beating a guy one-on-one is so hard these days. You don't see it too often," said Alfredsson. "To do it, you have to be able to do some pretty special things. He's got the speed and he's got the threat of the shot that makes the defenceman even more cautious, too. That's the key to beating a guy one-on-one. I can't do it."
"I haven't seen a rookie like him in I don't know how long. Kovalchuk was good, but he's another step ahead of him, just because he adds another dimension of being physical.
"He doesn't get frustrated if he gets hit, either. He gets up and keeps playing. Not like the other rookie (Crosby), who starts crying. I think there's a big difference in the attitude. He's pretty impressive with the way he's handled himself overall. He loves the game, no question."
03-21-2006, 07:04 PM
03-22-2006, 02:43 PM
Peter Forsberg is not a goal scorer, but he is the most complete player in the game. If you have any doubts about his passing skills, then look at the year that Gagne is having.Originally Posted by stug0tz
04-09-2006, 07:06 PM
Jagr is having one hell of a year but as an overall complete player, i'd have to pick forsberg. He just needs to stay healthy.
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