Playoff Scenario/Superbowl Prediction

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by judge-mental
    anybody else feel seatle is way overrated (talk about weak schedule...)
    new england had one of thoughest schedules they came to the game against the colts bitten with the colts after a bye and the best schedule in the NFL. when everybody gets healthy there, watch out. you're counting the champs out.
    They're a good team. but not a 10-2 team, they'll be in the NFC championship game because of their schedule and because I don't think the Bears are good enough to win in the play-offs on the road against Seattle but Carolina will take care of them. The 49ers DID scare the crap out of them a few weeks ago and keep in mind that this was an injury depleted 49ers squad. The team that couldn't score on anyone and they barely lost to Seattle 27-25


  2. Quote Originally Posted by houseman
    Please.

    You couldn't find an original thought with a flashlight and two hands.
    Interesting how you pull this out on a post where I don't express an opinion but only state a cold hard fact.

    but then again, I guess I should consider the intelligence (or lack thereof) of the person stating the flashlight comment.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Dungeon1
    Are the Steelers a good team?
    You see the Colts getting 12 possesions against a team that runs as well as the Bears?
    I also see Grossman starting before the playoffs begin which adds another element to the Bears offense.

    If you can make any team one demensional, which the Bears do well, defending them becomes much easier. The Patriots in years past have layed the blue-print for beating the Colts, which they probably would have done this year sans the personel problems they have had.

    Peyton has yet to win the big game. No Body is going to care if they go 18-1 and don't win the superbowl. Has he ever won a championship at any level of the game?

    The Patriots of LAST year layed a blueprint for LAST YEARS Colts. Teams have tried... the formula was a strong D that forced Peyton to run (which he didnt like doing even though the Edge was/is great) and forced him to make mistakes when passing... And don't forget the "way" to be the colts is in inclement weather. Always in Gillette Stadium when its snowing. Well guess what? All of their playoff games will be in a dome And so will the Superbowl.

    The PROBLEM is, that was LAST YEARS Colts, this years team can beat you anyway. Gonna run 8 in pass protection? Fine, Peyton runs the ball down your throat and Indy's defense allows you to score 3 points. Once you start dropping another man back towards the line to stop the run, he has you and will throw it to one of his players. Both of the TEs are great players, all of his WRs are of the best in the league, he's got the best slot-reciever in the game IMO, and he can almost always read the defense and see what you're going to do. No-huddle is the future of the NFL gentlemen, Carson Palmer is having success with it too; and they love doing it

    Teams over the past year have TRIED to stop Manning all sorts of ways... The Bengals tried a shootout, the Steelers tried running the ball and controlling the clock, The Pats wanted a shootout too.

    Trust me, the Bears wouldnt have a prayer... their offense is horrible. Don't even try to compare them to the Patriots of last year; its not a fair comparison.

    Remember when the Bucs won the SuperBowl? They had a damn good defense, but they also had a halfway decent offense too.

    OH, and YES Peyton Manning has won a championship. At Tennessee they won the national championship and he won the Heisman trophy, and he was the #1 pick in the draft

    Quote Originally Posted by rugger48
    First of all you need to watch a game with peyton manning in it before you can say those things about him. Because if you did you would know that he is an a jerk sometimes to his teammates and is not the kind gentle person you make him out to be. As far as his contract being renegoitiated for franchise players we will see where reggie wayne and james end up next year. I will agree he is probably the best QB in the league RIGHT NOW but he needs to win big games post season and play a little longer in the league before I can even mention him in a sentence as some of the greats who play or played football. 12-0 mean nothing or even 16-0 with out winning in the post season.
    I need to watch a game with Peyton Manning in it? OMG ROFL... DUDE! seriously?!? I've watched EVERY SINGLE COLTS GAME from beginning to end this year. I know how he is in the field... he's very competitive, but don't think the highly exalted tom brady is any different... GOOD QBs are competitive... just like most good WRs are very selfish. Anyone remember Harrison from late '03 complaining about not getting the ball enough?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by oswizzle
    I dont know about the Colts having a better Running Back then Chiefs man sorry........Larry Johnson since he's become a full time starter has been the best RB in the NFL........I think the Colts are a better team......but undersized dudes like Dwight Freeny would get smushed by KC's Offensive Line........Just look at the Denver undersized D that was getting Handled by Will Shields and Big Willie Roaf....not to mention No one in the Colts secondary could even contain Tony Gonzalez.......
    Sorry, but seeing as how the Colts are a passing team and the Edge is racking up the numbers and making such a difference (that IS why they call him the Edge).

    Remember Indy has a GREAT run defense, they stopped the steelers running game cold with their 'undersized' squad. Especially their rookie Safety... that dude is bad ass!!! What's his name again? I cant remember... he had a HUGE open-field tackle against the Steelers, he's like 5'7 205

    Oh and no one in the Colts secondary could contain Chad Johnson either He even stated it before the game; and he was right. But the Colts STILL won, their D played well when it mattered, and their offense was their regular spectacular selves, scoring on the first 5 possessions of the game. And Denver still put up 27 points against that great D of yours. Don't think for a minute that its not possible for the Colts to DOUBLE that score.

    Quote Originally Posted by rugger48
    I would definitly not rule out the steelers this year. I know this might ruffle a few feathers here, but I would not want to be chicago come this sunday. I doubt the steelers are gonna lose 4 in a row.
    I agree. I think Chicago is going down. There's no offense to hit the Steelers with (who will be super pissed from losing 3 in a row -> not to mention the coach; that guy scares me lol)...

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Bean

    OH, and YES Peyton Manning has won a championship. At Tennessee they won the national championship and he won the Heisman trophy, and he was the #1 pick in the draft
    Sorry Bean, Peyton never won a championship in college, that was the Tennesse team with Tee Martin at QB that won it. But you're right on the Colts vs Bears, it wouldn't be fair, it'd be Colts 27-10.
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  6. Natedogg.....
    First off I am not a Chiefs fan and second ur smokin some laced Ganja Homie.Larry Johnson since he's been a full time running back has been the best back in the league.......his yards after contact are unreal......if he becomes a full time starter next year he will rush over 2000 yds......get NFL ticket and Become a fantasy Football geek like me and You will begin to understand the players more from watching them rather hearing crackhead espn analyst giving their bunk opinions.

  7. I didn't think Peyton EVER won a championship. If you look at what the Colts have done this year, you will recognize that the best defense they faced put them in a situation that created a losable game for the Colts. Jacksonville held them to 10 points and the Bears D is More than marginally better than the Jags. If the Colts play the Bears, Peyton will be watching the game from his back. That IS the blueprint to beat the Colts, put Peyton on the turf repeatedly and watch the Colts struggle to score. That is what the Patriots have done in the past. How are they a different team this year? New coach, coordinator,QB, RB, WR, Oline? NO. They are the same team save a few additions to the D-fense. But if the d-fense faced good offenses it would not be ranked so highly. When they have faced good offenses they have given up both yards and points. I wish the Eagles would have their schedule this year, they would have a ranked D as well. Titans (2x's) Texans (2x's) Jaguars ((2x's)don't even say it they still haven't scored 30) 49er's, Steelers, c'mon the Defense was going to look better. The steelers are not a true test for this team, there is something wrong in pittsburgh, I can't say what, but it seems like they stopped believing they can win. The Colts are good, but not undefeated good and not "they will blow out this or that team" good as long as this or that team has a ligitimate top 10 defense.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by oswizzle
    if he becomes a full time starter next year he will rush over 2000 yds.....
    Bold statement, but I'm sure we'll find out next year when he does become the number one back. BTW, besides the Broncos, LJ hasn't faced a team with that great of a D against the run. But whatever...until he becomes a full time back, we won't know for sure. You have your opinion and I have mine.

    Edit: I'm not saying the guy's bad, but he needs to prove himself before you go all crazy on the guy and start calling him the best back in the league.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Bean
    The Patriots of LAST year layed a blueprint for LAST YEARS Colts. Teams have tried... the formula was a strong D that forced Peyton to run (which he didnt like doing even though the Edge was/is great) and forced him to make mistakes when passing... And don't forget the "way" to be the colts is in inclement weather. Always in Gillette Stadium when its snowing. Well guess what? All of their playoff games will be in a dome And so will the Superbowl.

    The PROBLEM is, that was LAST YEARS Colts, this years team can beat you anyway. Gonna run 8 in pass protection? Fine, Peyton runs the ball down your throat and Indy's defense allows you to score 3 points. Once you start dropping another man back towards the line to stop the run, he has you and will throw it to one of his players. Both of the TEs are great players, all of his WRs are of the best in the league, he's got the best slot-reciever in the game IMO, and he can almost always read the defense and see what you're going to do. No-huddle is the future of the NFL gentlemen, Carson Palmer is having success with it too; and they love doing it

    Teams over the past year have TRIED to stop Manning all sorts of ways... The Bengals tried a shootout, the Steelers tried running the ball and controlling the clock, The Pats wanted a shootout too.

    Trust me, the Bears wouldnt have a prayer... their offense is horrible. Don't even try to compare them to the Patriots of last year; its not a fair comparison.

    Remember when the Bucs won the SuperBowl? They had a damn good defense, but they also had a halfway decent offense too.

    OH, and YES Peyton Manning has won a championship. At Tennessee they won the national championship and he won the Heisman trophy, and he was the #1 pick in the draft



    I need to watch a game with Peyton Manning in it? OMG ROFL... DUDE! seriously?!? I've watched EVERY SINGLE COLTS GAME from beginning to end this year. I know how he is in the field... he's very competitive, but don't think the highly exalted tom brady is any different... GOOD QBs are competitive... just like most good WRs are very selfish. Anyone remember Harrison from late '03 complaining about not getting the ball enough?

    I was a little harsh with that watching him play comment. I think the colts are a great team and if you were to put another qb in the offense I think he would be almost as good. That offense is awesome especially with that defense giving them such great field position. I do think they had a weak schedule the first half, but their second half of the schedule is where I think they will be tested.


    By the way manning has never won a national championship, Tennesse won the National title the first year after manning left for the nfl with Tee Martin.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by natedogg
    Bold statement, but I'm sure we'll find out next year when he does become the number one back. BTW, besides the Broncos, LJ hasn't faced a team with that great of a D against the run. But whatever...until he becomes a full time back, we won't know for sure. You have your opinion and I have mine.

    Edit: I'm not saying the guy's bad, but he needs to prove himself before you go all crazy on the guy and start calling him the best back in the league.

    If you pan out his numbers for a whole season the totals are incredible. I agree thou, its hard to give him that kind of credit when he hasnt played a full season as a starter. If priest is able to play, I hope he decides to take a role like faulk did with St louis. LJ is to good not to get the ball as a featured back.

  11. I think when Dick Vermeil made the comments it was time for Johnson to take his diapers off and become a man....its gonna push him barring any injury absolutely insane and wanna run from KC to MT.Rushmore...dude is motivate he got clowned in public....next season he'll be the man.

  12. To the 'Bears-will-win-the-superbowl' fans: *COUGH*

    This is what happens when you play against a great defense and when you have no offense to help; ass-kicking.

    Their defense that some say were better than the 85 Bears, allowed 190 rushing yards. HMMMM

  13. I saw the highlights. The Steelers absolutely ran over the Bears D.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by natedogg
    I saw the highlights. The Steelers absolutely ran over the Bears D.
    There was no way the steelers were gonna loose 4 in a row.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by rugger48
    There was no way the steelers were gonna loose 4 in a row.
    I was thinking the same exact thing.

  16. Prior to this week, they were better on paper. I did not think that they would give up that many yards on the ground. I still believe that we will see Grossman starting at QB before the end of the season, and if we don't, they don't go past the second round.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Dungeon1
    Prior to this week, they were better on paper. I did not think that they would give up that many yards on the ground. I still believe that we will see Grossman starting at QB before the end of the season, and if we don't, they don't go past the second round.
    I agree, he needs to be in next week if hes ready.

  18. You heard it here first folks. AFC East will come down to the final game of the season: Fins/Pat in NE.

  19. How about them Cheifs?

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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Bean
    To the 'Bears-will-win-the-superbowl' fans: *COUGH*

    This is what happens when you play against a great defense and when you have no offense to help; ass-kicking.

    Their defense that some say were better than the 85 Bears, allowed 190 rushing yards. HMMMM
    Great Defense?

    ****, are you on glue? Steelers "great" D isn't what it used to be. Wake up and smell the ****. I'd say coffee but I think that'd be too strong for your brain cells right now.

    Bears D had an off game. You can only hold teams for so long before a team breaks it. Plus, Steelers were due for a big game after the previous 3.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by rugger48
    There was no way the steelers were gonna loose 4 in a row.
    Yup. I feel the same way.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by houseman
    Great Defense?

    ****, are you on glue? Steelers "great" D isn't what it used to be. Wake up and smell the ****. I'd say coffee but I think that'd be too strong for your brain cells right now.

    Bears D had an off game. You can only hold teams for so long before a team breaks it. Plus, Steelers were due for a big game after the previous 3.
    Its great compared to teams in the NFC. I was speaking relatively. How is the Bears defense rated so highly when Pittsburgh has a better one, yet some people are already saying their dynasty is over? So many people just look at sheer numbers and think thats all there is. They don't watch the games; they watch the highlights on ESPN. I hope you're not in that group?

    Indy vs Jacksonville is a good example... on paper Indy barely won by 8 points. But it was a slaughterhouse. Indy's defense merely played to run out the clock; give a few yards here and there and make them work. At the very end they threw down the gauntlet and challenged the Colts offense to be forced to give up the ball on a 3 and out... and the Colts got their first down and finished off the game with 2 kneels.

    A couple reasons why Pittsburgh's defense is still great: Look at the teams they lost against. They lost to the Ravens because Big Ben was not playing the game.... with him in the game, the Ravens (and any team) would have to take the pass threat more seriously, and the Steelers running game would have had more room (and that would have been the difference).

    The next game was MNF at Indy. They were playing in the RCA Dome (which favors speed and quickness vs size and strength on both sides of the ball; AND the noise in the dome against the visitors is ALWAYS loud).... and against the best team in the NFL just as they were hitting their stride. Colts have a great run defense and they put it to use. The Steelers DO have a good defense, and thats why Indy ONLY racked up 26 points... remember they are normally putting up much more. All these odds were stacked against Pittsburgh.

    The next game was at home vs Cincy. Their home stadium gave them a bit of advantage; but you could TELL through watching the game that the Bengals wanted it more than the Steelers. They came in to prove to everyone, and to themselves, that they are one of the bigboys now. The steelers have a great defense, they still had slight of an off-game here. You think its so horrible that Cincy put up 38 points? Well thats life; Cincy has a HELLUVA offense... Carson Palmer is a less experienced, more mobile Peyton Manning. IMO he's the 2nd best QB in the league. In the game, the Steelers were putting a lot of coverage onto Chad Johnson because of how much of a threat he is. I call this phenomenon the 'Marvin Harrison effect'. Take away defenders and allow the rest of your team to make plays. Harrison draws two? Enter Reggie Wayne. And it worked, they put up 38 points against a great defense.

    So, I am definitely NOT on glue. Coffee would be good right now. Its the best part of wakin up, Folgers in my stein.

  23. Good analysis Bean but Pittsburgh has to win a Super Bowl before you declare them a dynasty IMO.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Bean
    Its great compared to teams in the NFC. I was speaking relatively. How is the Bears defense rated so highly when Pittsburgh has a better one, yet some people are already saying their dynasty is over? So many people just look at sheer numbers and think thats all there is. They don't watch the games; they watch the highlights on ESPN. I hope you're not in that group?

    Indy vs Jacksonville is a good example... on paper Indy barely won by 8 points. But it was a slaughterhouse. Indy's defense merely played to run out the clock; give a few yards here and there and make them work. At the very end they threw down the gauntlet and challenged the Colts offense to be forced to give up the ball on a 3 and out... and the Colts got their first down and finished off the game with 2 kneels.

    A couple reasons why Pittsburgh's defense is still great: Look at the teams they lost against. They lost to the Ravens because Big Ben was not playing the game.... with him in the game, the Ravens (and any team) would have to take the pass threat more seriously, and the Steelers running game would have had more room (and that would have been the difference).

    The next game was MNF at Indy. They were playing in the RCA Dome (which favors speed and quickness vs size and strength on both sides of the ball; AND the noise in the dome against the visitors is ALWAYS loud).... and against the best team in the NFL just as they were hitting their stride. Colts have a great run defense and they put it to use. The Steelers DO have a good defense, and thats why Indy ONLY racked up 26 points... remember they are normally putting up much more. All these odds were stacked against Pittsburgh.

    The next game was at home vs Cincy. Their home stadium gave them a bit of advantage; but you could TELL through watching the game that the Bengals wanted it more than the Steelers. They came in to prove to everyone, and to themselves, that they are one of the bigboys now. The steelers have a great defense, they still had slight of an off-game here. You think its so horrible that Cincy put up 38 points? Well thats life; Cincy has a HELLUVA offense... Carson Palmer is a less experienced, more mobile Peyton Manning. IMO he's the 2nd best QB in the league. In the game, the Steelers were putting a lot of coverage onto Chad Johnson because of how much of a threat he is. I call this phenomenon the 'Marvin Harrison effect'. Take away defenders and allow the rest of your team to make plays. Harrison draws two? Enter Reggie Wayne. And it worked, they put up 38 points against a great defense.

    So, I am definitely NOT on glue. Coffee would be good right now. Its the best part of wakin up, Folgers in my stein.
    I'm just bustin chops a bit

    I think you overvalued Pitts a little too much though. And, I quite like the Steelers myself. They just aren't what they had been in previous years, for whatever reason.

  25. Larry Johnson is a beast........this says it all.

    Dec 12 ESPNews reports Kansas City Chiefs RB Larry Johnson has 852 rushing yards since Nov. 1, which is the most in the NFL since that date. Johnson has six consecutive 100-yard rushing games. During that six game span, he has scored 10 rushing touchdowns.

    Thats ur 1st pick of next years fantasy draft fellaz.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
    Good analysis Bean but Pittsburgh has to win a Super Bowl before you declare them a dynasty IMO.
    Yes I agree... I guess dynasty was a little too praising...

    Like how the Braves have always won their division since hte early 90s...

    always there, always in your face, always a threat of some sort; thats how i think of the steelers. And the smashmouth, power and size part of football too

  27. Quote Originally Posted by oswizzle
    Larry Johnson is a beast........this says it all.

    Dec 12 ESPNews reports Kansas City Chiefs RB Larry Johnson has 852 rushing yards since Nov. 1, which is the most in the NFL since that date. Johnson has six consecutive 100-yard rushing games. During that six game span, he has scored 10 rushing touchdowns.

    Thats ur 1st pick of next years fantasy draft fellaz.

    I'll be goin with either Manning (Peyton or even Eli) or Carson Palmer. Quite possibly Reggie Bush too.

  28. I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but the Chiefs/Colts argument was absolutely hilarious.

    The game would not be close. Not at all. Larry Johnson is good. Very good.
    He is the only thing holding the team above water. They would get thoroughly trashed if they played the Colts.

    (No, I am not a Colts fan)

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Reggin
    I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but the Chiefs/Colts argument was absolutely hilarious.

    The game would not be close. Not at all. Larry Johnson is good. Very good.
    He is the only thing holding the team above water. They would get thoroughly trashed if they played the Colts.

    (No, I am not a Colts fan)
    Please. Let's beat the horse dead a little more

    Still waiting for IntenseChump to show up and defend his Chiefs like a man.

    :rolf:

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Dungeon1
    I didn't think Peyton EVER won a championship. If you look at what the Colts have done this year, you will recognize that the best defense they faced put them in a situation that created a losable game for the Colts. Jacksonville held them to 10 points and the Bears D is More than marginally better than the Jags. If the Colts play the Bears, Peyton will be watching the game from his back. That IS the blueprint to beat the Colts, put Peyton on the turf repeatedly and watch the Colts struggle to score.
    Have you forgotten about who is BEHIND Peyton Manning at Indy? Edgerrin James ring a bell? The #2 rusher in the LEAGUE, only 56 yeards behind Shawn Alexander. He WILL break his career high this season in rushing TDs (he only needs one more) and he's on pace to break his career high in rushing yards in a season. So yeah, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE send the Bears D on a blitz to get Peyton so that they can hand it to Edgerrin up the middle for 20, and then playaction to him and hit harrison for 6 on the next play. I'm not a Colts fan, but I love watching good football teams, and the Colts are a VERY VERY VERY good football team...
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