Playoff Scenario/Superbowl Prediction
- 12-12-2005, 03:03 PM
- 12-12-2005, 03:23 PM
Originally Posted by houseman
Indy vs Jacksonville is a good example... on paper Indy barely won by 8 points. But it was a slaughterhouse. Indy's defense merely played to run out the clock; give a few yards here and there and make them work. At the very end they threw down the gauntlet and challenged the Colts offense to be forced to give up the ball on a 3 and out... and the Colts got their first down and finished off the game with 2 kneels.
A couple reasons why Pittsburgh's defense is still great: Look at the teams they lost against. They lost to the Ravens because Big Ben was not playing the game.... with him in the game, the Ravens (and any team) would have to take the pass threat more seriously, and the Steelers running game would have had more room (and that would have been the difference).
The next game was MNF at Indy. They were playing in the RCA Dome (which favors speed and quickness vs size and strength on both sides of the ball; AND the noise in the dome against the visitors is ALWAYS loud).... and against the best team in the NFL just as they were hitting their stride. Colts have a great run defense and they put it to use. The Steelers DO have a good defense, and thats why Indy ONLY racked up 26 points... remember they are normally putting up much more. All these odds were stacked against Pittsburgh.
The next game was at home vs Cincy. Their home stadium gave them a bit of advantage; but you could TELL through watching the game that the Bengals wanted it more than the Steelers. They came in to prove to everyone, and to themselves, that they are one of the bigboys now. The steelers have a great defense, they still had slight of an off-game here. You think its so horrible that Cincy put up 38 points? Well thats life; Cincy has a HELLUVA offense... Carson Palmer is a less experienced, more mobile Peyton Manning. IMO he's the 2nd best QB in the league. In the game, the Steelers were putting a lot of coverage onto Chad Johnson because of how much of a threat he is. I call this phenomenon the 'Marvin Harrison effect'. Take away defenders and allow the rest of your team to make plays. Harrison draws two? Enter Reggie Wayne. And it worked, they put up 38 points against a great defense.
So, I am definitely NOT on glue. Coffee would be good right now. Its the best part of wakin up, Folgers in my stein.
- 12-12-2005, 07:41 PM
12-13-2005, 09:04 AM
I'm just bustin chops a bitOriginally Posted by Bean
I think you overvalued Pitts a little too much though. And, I quite like the Steelers myself. They just aren't what they had been in previous years, for whatever reason.
12-13-2005, 06:23 PM
Larry Johnson is a beast........this says it all.
Dec 12 ESPNews reports Kansas City Chiefs RB Larry Johnson has 852 rushing yards since Nov. 1, which is the most in the NFL since that date. Johnson has six consecutive 100-yard rushing games. During that six game span, he has scored 10 rushing touchdowns.
Thats ur 1st pick of next years fantasy draft fellaz.
12-13-2005, 06:27 PM
Yes I agree... I guess dynasty was a little too praising...Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
Like how the Braves have always won their division since hte early 90s...
always there, always in your face, always a threat of some sort; thats how i think of the steelers. And the smashmouth, power and size part of football too
12-13-2005, 06:29 PM
Originally Posted by oswizzle
I'll be goin with either Manning (Peyton or even Eli) or Carson Palmer. Quite possibly Reggie Bush too.
12-14-2005, 12:51 PM
I don't want to beat a dead horse here, but the Chiefs/Colts argument was absolutely hilarious.
The game would not be close. Not at all. Larry Johnson is good. Very good.
He is the only thing holding the team above water. They would get thoroughly trashed if they played the Colts.
(No, I am not a Colts fan)
12-14-2005, 12:57 PM
Please. Let's beat the horse dead a little moreOriginally Posted by Reggin
Still waiting for IntenseChump to show up and defend his Chiefs like a man.
12-14-2005, 01:32 PM
Have you forgotten about who is BEHIND Peyton Manning at Indy? Edgerrin James ring a bell? The #2 rusher in the LEAGUE, only 56 yeards behind Shawn Alexander. He WILL break his career high this season in rushing TDs (he only needs one more) and he's on pace to break his career high in rushing yards in a season. So yeah, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE send the Bears D on a blitz to get Peyton so that they can hand it to Edgerrin up the middle for 20, and then playaction to him and hit harrison for 6 on the next play. I'm not a Colts fan, but I love watching good football teams, and the Colts are a VERY VERY VERY good football team...Originally Posted by Dungeon1
12-14-2005, 02:50 PM
The sick thing is, Peyton likes to pass on a blitz His QB rating and completion % is very high on blitzes. I've seen him see a blitz coming, and he hikes the ball, and makes a quick pass across the middle to Dallas Clark... no one there to touch him except the small part of the secondary that didn't run in on the blitz. They were covering the other WRs and then you've got two little safeties that are a bad matchup to a good TE.Originally Posted by Magickk
But yeah, I've been singing the praises of the Edge all year. He only gets so much recognition because he plays on a passing team. But he can win the game himself; which he has shown several times this year. If the other team wants to run 8 people in zone coverage; Manning will now humbly hand the ball off to Edge for 8-9 yards. They ran the hell out of the ball against the Titans. Anyone watch that game?
The thing I like most about watching the Colts, is that its like watching a REALLY good player on John Madden '06 on the Xbox lol. Its precise, obviously rehearsed.... they go on 4th down a lot, make 3rd down conversions over 12-13 yards quite often and the score normally looks like an Xbox game
12-14-2005, 04:52 PM
Who said anything about a blitz? Watch a Bears game. They get pressure and contact without blitzing. My argument remains the same. What defense in the NFL has a better chance at holding the Colts offense to 21 and under. I think the Colts are probably the best team in the league right now, but it is not always the best team that wins the big game. Rex Grossamn will be starting in Chicago in the near future.
Originally Posted by Magickk
12-14-2005, 05:21 PM
The Broncos have a better chance at holding the offense under 21 points (not saying they would; they just have a better chance). The Bears D didnt even hold the Steelers offense (a running offense mind you) to under 21 points; but the Colts held them to 7 (and even that was because of an interception runback to like the 12 yard line). The steelers had maybe 1 or 2 first downs in the entire first half.Originally Posted by Dungeon1
Colts... probably?... best team... there's no probably about it. And most of the time, YES the best team does win the big game. I know you want to hope against all hope, but its not the Bears' year. Get an offense first, then they can start playing with the Big Boys.
12-14-2005, 05:55 PM
what team has the best chance to beat the colts?
I would say NE, Cincy, pittsburg
out of the NFC flock maybe NYG, Dallas :-)
out of all of those, I still take NE.
12-14-2005, 06:39 PM
Best team that can beat the Colts is Cinci........Palmer to House and Chad combo is sick....
I hate to say it..but Mr. Cut that Meats team looks like its gonna take this year....Peyton is just in the damn zone right now. Marvelous Marvin is ****en faster then hell at his age..what gives? Colts will smash on anyone this year just for the fact they get to play indoors...if they didnt have homefield...then they'd be screwed...Cut that meat sucks ass in the cold outdoors...as we all know
12-15-2005, 02:46 AM
Hey Houseman...or...Blouseman...as your coworkers at Victoria Secret call you...Originally Posted by houseman
I appreciate that you look foward to my posts regarding the Chiefs. However, post that you quoted has no substance to it whatsoever.
I have yet to read a post that analytically tells me why the chiefs would be blown out by the colts. Perhaps you can be the first? Oh yeah, before you start talking about the KC defense, don't forget to mention that the Chiefs have the number 1 offense in the NFL... better than the Colts...
12-15-2005, 07:34 AM
Heyyyy... you finally showed up to make a post to defend your beloved Chumps errr Chiefs.Originally Posted by IntensePump
Where were you earlier in the week when they lost to the Cowboys? ****ing choked like the chumps they are too.
ON a bright note, I actually like the Chiefs and I do like the Colts as well but I definitely think you're on glue when you think the Chiefs can beat the Colts.
Perhaps if the Colts get sick and forget how to tie their kleets.
Thanks for showing up. You're not as big of a ***** as initially thought afterall. Still a *****, just not a Roseann Barr sized *****
12-15-2005, 12:25 PM
Dungeon the Jaguars put 30 points up against Baltimore and 31 against Tennessee, any other false statements you wanna make?
You wish they were in your division? Both losses to the colts were one posession games and weren't decided until the final 2 minutes. They beat the Bengals, Seahawks, and Steelers.
You think KC and SD will both get in?
SD: Colts, KC, Broncos
KC: Giants, SD, Bengals
Jax: 49ers, Titans, Texans
Pitt: Vikes, Browns, Lions
That's some pretty terrible analysis, bro. Where the hell have you been this season?
AFC: Colts, Broncos, Bengals, Pats, Jaguars, Steelers
NFC: Seahawks, don't care, don't care, don't care, don't care, don't care.
12-15-2005, 01:33 PM
How do they have the #1 offense again? ROFLOriginally Posted by IntensePump
The Chiefs don't have the #1 offense... trust me. They don't even have the #2 or #3. #2 would be the Bengals; #3 would be the Seahawks. If you go by the YPG measure; the Chiefs have a slightly higher YPG than anyone in the NFL. But that is a very poor measuring stick.... and you KNOW it is.
YPG means nothing; especially for the Chiefs, who havent played any tough defenses this year; cept to Denver, which they lost the 1st game and barely won the 2nd game... and thats it
You might think they are SO GREAT this year, because they BEAT DENVER.... well yes; they beat them by 4 points. WHOOPDYDOO!!!!
Did you realize the Colts have beaten EVERY OPPONENT by at least 7 points over the entire year? Against the Jags and then against the Browns early in the year before their offense started clicking. This last game against the Jags was by 8 points; but if you watched the game, it was honestly by 23 points. The Jags got manhandled, just like the Steelers.... and the Patriots.... even the Bengals got beat...
They're giving the Colts an 8 point spread on the game... against the CHARGERS.... this is the #3 team in the nation on offensevia statistics
12-15-2005, 02:24 PM
Bean...c'mon man...go let a fart and get some of that air out of your head...Originally Posted by Bean
What does margin of victory in its own right has little if anything to do with the strength of a teams offense. Main factors in judging an offense in my mind would be yards (both rushing and passing), turnovers, and points scored. The defense is the primary component of a team that is in charge of stopping the opposition from scoring points. Therefore, if the margin of victory is tight, offense could still be the best in the league, but the defense is not in the top tier.
And to comment, I agree that going scrictly by yards is a poor way judging the "best" offenses or defenses...however, chiefs are number one in this category after last week but also hold very impressive numbers in points scored and turnovers allowed.
12-15-2005, 02:26 PM
Damn dude, a roseann barr sized ***** would be freakin huge... "That's a HUUUUUUGE *****"Originally Posted by houseman
anyway, you still have yet to give specifics regarding how the colts would dominate the chiefs.
12-15-2005, 02:37 PM
That's because they ran up the score in a 45-17 W against the Terrible Texans!!! The team with the worst rushing D in the NFL!Originally Posted by IntensePump
Bottom line: they're 8-5...
12-15-2005, 05:02 PM
and rushed for 100 yards in the 4th quarter alone against the broncos...Originally Posted by Magickk
12-15-2005, 06:50 PM
Bottom Line: The Colts are still unbeaten, the Niners still suck and Intense Pump is still a woman. J/K
Is it just me, or is the NFC a bore to watch. Who the hell is gonna give ANYONE from the AFC a good game in the SB? I don't even think the Seahawks could hang with the top 4 or 5 teams in the AFC.
12-15-2005, 07:27 PM
12-16-2005, 01:15 PM
I dunno man, Texans would give the Packers a hell of a game in the SB!
Originally Posted by natedogg
12-17-2005, 11:16 PM
And got beat by the Giants. Odds were a 8 point spread on that game for the Giants to win.Originally Posted by IntensePump
Chiefs OWN the NFL? They won't even make the playoffs.
I'm counting down the minutes on the Colts and Chargers game. I'm picking the Colts by 13 points. Chargers have the 22nd or 23rd ranked pass defense in the NFL. Good rushing offense. But then again, so did Pittsburgh.
Anyone see how the two Jaguars players got slapped with fines by the NFL for their excessively rough play. That face mask in the 1st quarter.... no fine at all... that guy should have been ejected from the game.
VERY late hit on Reggie Wayne, attempting to cause injury on a hit against a TE or something, and the "smashing the face mask in the ground repeatedly after the whistle was blown" play.
Chiefs are going to lose the next 2 as well. Chargers then the Bengals. Just as I said before... 4 out of the next 5. Now if the Bengals decide to sit their starters, that might change things up a bit. But the Chargers will be playing as an upset team at that point, because I dont expect them to be winning the Indy game (and thus losing their shot at the wildcard)
12-17-2005, 11:29 PM
Let air out of my head huh? You're the one that is conjuring facts out of thin air. Impressive numbers in points scored? No they don't, in the company you're speaking of. They were ranked #5. And this is a ranking against poor teams. They have only beaten ONE good team. Denver, in Arrowhead stadium with Jake the Snake... and they only barely won.Originally Posted by IntensePump
They lost to dallas, and now the Giants. Care to comment on the team with the "best" offense, where their leading rusher had 167 yards and still couldnt win the game? Tiki Barber definitely outclassed the "god" that you make Larry Johnson out to be.
Bottom line? Chiefs are a GOOD football team. But they arent NEARLY as good as you say they are. PERIOD. You arent going to win the big game with a great rushing offense and mediocre defense.
12-18-2005, 01:03 AM
FINALLY... this is one of the few, if not only, intelligent things said in a response to one of my posts.Originally Posted by Bean
Chiefs haves a very good passing O and a great rush O... and then people say, "bullsh*t! they are 8-5!" and then the rest of think "no sh*t they are 8-5 dumb@ss, but that doesn't mean the O isn't good, it's because of points given up by the D"
And with the Defense the Chiefs showed tonight against the Giants, you're damn right they wouldn't win the big game.
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