Playoff Scenario/Superbowl Prediction
- 12-07-2005, 08:22 AM
Originally Posted by IntensePump
- 12-07-2005, 08:44 AM
Originally Posted by natedogg
What he said.
Sorry I wasn't around to back up my "facts". Not that I think I claimed any facts except the fact IP is in a fog, which, I will stand by given statements recently made. lol
Now add delusional to the list.
12-07-2005, 09:31 AM
When a team consistently makes the playoffs every year, then 3/4 of the way through this season is undefeated because they improved their D and maintained their excellent offense the only thing you can say is wow what an excellent team. When you say overrated you just sound jealous of their accomplishments. Give credit where it is due bro.Sorry bud, but you lost all credibility when you called the Colts overrated.
12-07-2005, 09:50 AM
The 2 places opposing teams would like to play the LEAST in the upcoming post season: Chicago and Indianapolis. That is where the whole scenario origionated from. I can not see anyone going into either of those two places and coming out with a "W."
I don't dislike the Steelers, but Ben is hurt and Chicago knows it. That does not make for a good game for The Chin. The Steelers have proven this year that without a Healthy Ben Roethlesberger, they are not a playoff caliber team.
12-07-2005, 10:09 AM
Those are not facts, they are statistics. Stastics are subjective, facts are objective. What does that mean? It means rankings very dependent by where you got them and who put them together and what parameters they weighted over others.
Anyone who wants a more comprehensive overview of facts/stats here is a head-to-head look for the season. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/headToH...1&statsId2=12&
You cannot take an unbiased look at this and say either side has potential for total domination.
Now time to burn my 'cred by agreeing that the 2005 Colts are overrated. I base that on softness of schedule. Look at AFC South vs. West
South DivisionWLz- Colts120Jaguars93Titans39Texans111
South you have a division leader and wild card contender. West you have a damn dog fight between 3/4 of the division for division winner and the other two look strong for the wild cards.
9 of their regular season games come from team with a current combined record of 27/81! Titans twice, Texans twice, 49ers, Cardnials, come on!
Why not just play Green Bay in the playoffs and then play the Jets for the SuperBowl.
Originally Posted by natedogg
12-07-2005, 10:23 AM
Ok so the fact that the Colts have the 3rd best D in the NFL and the Chiefs have the 27th best D in the NFL means absolutely nothing? Sorry, but a defense as bad as that has no shot at winning the SB. And it's common knowledge that the Colts have a better QB (Manning), a better RB (Edge) and a better WR (Harrison and Wayne is pretty frickin good too). Kind of like the triplets the Cowboys had in Aikman, Smith and Irvin during the nineties. They even have a better kicker if you want to take it a step further. KC does have Gonzo though. I'll give them that much. LJ is alright too. Hey, isn't this the time of the season that KC usually starts to choke?
But all stats aside, it really doesn't matter until they win the SB right.
12-07-2005, 10:43 AM
No because they didn't play as good of teamsOk so the fact that the Colts have the 3rd best D in the NFL and the Chiefs have the 27th best D in the NFL means absolutely nothing
oh yeah that is totally opinion. Its not the fact that these guys have such great talent, its the FACT they got such great stats from playing against worse teams.QB (Manning), a better RB (Edge) and a better WR (Harrison and Wayne is pretty frickin good too)
Give me a break.
12-07-2005, 10:53 AM
Did you even read my last post? Ignorance/stubborness does not make for good debate.
Q: "Ok so the fact that the Colts have the 3rd best D in the NFL and the Chiefs have the 27th best D in the NFL means absolutely nothing?"
A: No, it means absolutly nothing. 1st, its not a fact. I previously explained why. 2nd, statistics and projections are just that. Ever heard the phrase "on any given Sunday"?
"Facts" often don't mean a damn thing. FYI, I've never been arguing that the Chiefs are better than the Colts. I'm a Chiefs fan and will always cheer for them. I am making the philosofical argument that you cannot quote "facts" without being subject to other "facts" such as softest schedule in the NFL.
12-07-2005, 11:15 AM
Listen, I understand you defending your team and all, but I initially responded to someone who had stated the Colts were overrated which is obviously not the case. I'm not saying KC is a bad team, just not good enough to beat the Colts despite the strength of schedule or any of your other "Facts". Based on what I have seen alone, I would have to say the Colts would absolutely kill the Chiefs in the playoffs if they happened to hook up. The Colts would rip through their weak D and the Colts strong D would keep the Chiefs O in check, plain and simple. And max-rot saying Manning, Harrison and James are good only because they have good stats and that it's an opinion that they are good. What the **** are you talking about dude. So what's your opinion? If Manning isn't a good QB than I guess they're isn't any good ones in the NFL considering he's one of if not the best QB in the league. Good players put up good stats year after year and that's what they do. That is almost like saying Dan Marino was only good because he put up really good stats. No ****. He was a great player, he just happened to have never won a SB.
12-07-2005, 11:24 AM
Why did you switch from Jerry Rice to Dan Marino so fast?
max-rot was saying that your trifecta has inflated stats because their opponents suck, not that their stats are good because they are good.
12-07-2005, 11:25 AM
Oh, I see. You made the SB addendum.
"Good players put up good stats year after year and that's what
they do. That is almost like saying Jerry Rice was only good because he
put up really good stats. No ****. That was a most retarded comment
on your part."
12-07-2005, 11:34 AM
Yep. Manning has always been good. In fact this is one of his so called down years since he hasn't had to rely on his arm to win games. He finally has a good D in place so he doesn't have to. Right now you can compare him to Marino because he's had good stats and is a very good QB, but hasn't won the big one...yet. Like I said before, all three of these guys have put up great stats, year after year. How long can you blame it on their schedule until you consider them to be good players.Originally Posted by massmonster
12-07-2005, 11:38 AM
WTF dude I was siding with you. No offense to massmonster but I think his comments on the schedule thing being easy is f'ing BS. We'll see when the playoffs come. IMO peyton manning is the best qb in the nfl. The colts are the best team in the NFL with the most talent in the NFL. People that personally don't like them are fine by me. To say they are overrated and all their great stats are due to playing easy teams is ignorance and BS.And max-rot saying Manning, Harrison and James are good only because they have good stats and that it's an opinion that they are good. What the **** are you talking about dude. So what's your opinion?
Sorry you didn't catch my f'n sarcasm natedogg and sorry I disagree with you mass. Its my opinion. And no the colts aren't my hometeam or even my favorite team but I recognize talent and no matter how much I hate a team I will give them credit where its due!
Last edited by max-rot98; 12-07-2005 at 11:58 AM.
12-07-2005, 12:29 PM
I dont know about the Colts having a better Running Back then Chiefs man sorry........Larry Johnson since he's become a full time starter has been the best RB in the NFL........I think the Colts are a better team......but undersized dudes like Dwight Freeny would get smushed by KC's Offensive Line........Just look at the Denver undersized D that was getting Handled by Will Shields and Big Willie Roaf....not to mention No one in the Colts secondary could even contain Tony Gonzalez.......
12-07-2005, 12:47 PM
NFC Wild Card
Chicago 14 Atlanta 10
NY Giants 31 Minnesota 14
AFC Wild Card
New England 20 Jacksonville 3
Denver 24 San Diego 17
Seattle 17 Chicago 14 in OT
Carolina 34 NY Giants 16
Indianapolis 37 New England 21
Cincinnati 30 Denver 24
Carolina 24 Seattle 14
Indianapolis 45 Cincinnati 28
Indianapolis 30 Carolina 20
12-07-2005, 04:31 PM
12-07-2005, 04:35 PM
If I'm jealous of Indy b/c I think they are overrated, then the same goes for a couple analysts I've seen on ESPN over the last couple weeks.
The main here is the strength of schedule. It may be your opinion that this is a poor reason. However, this is a factor that should be taken into consideration.
What real good teams have Indy played? I think the only decent team they have played is Cincy and Indy BARELY squeaked out a win. And there are much stronger teams in the NFL than Cincy. And Indy will choke to one of them in the playoffs.
2005 REGULAR SEASON
WK DATE OPPONENT 1 9/11 @ Baltimore Ravens 24 - 7 2 9/18 JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS 10 - 3 3 9/25 CLEVELAND BROWNS 13 - 6 4 10/2 @ Tennessee Titans 31 - 10 5 10/9 @ San Francisco 49ers 28 - 3 6 10/17 ST. LOUIS RAMS 45 - 28 7 10/23 @ Houston Texans 38 - 20 8 10/30 BYE - 9 11/7 @ New England Patriots 40 - 21 10 11/13 HOUSTON TEXANS 31 - 17 11 11/20 @ Cincinnati Bengals 45 - 37 12 11/28 PITTSBURGH STEELERS 26 - 7 13 12/4 TENNESSEE TITANS 35 - 3 14 12/11 @ Jacksonville Jaguars 1:00 PM 15 12/18 SAN DIEGO CHARGERS 1:00 PM 16 12/24 @ Seattle Seahawks 4:15 PM 17 1/1 ARIZONA CARDINALS 1:00 PM
Here is the COLTS schedule for illustration purposes. Please point out all the good teams you can find in their first 12 games. Please don't even say Steelers. They are the MOST overrated team and it is beginning to show.
Last edited by IntensePump; 12-07-2005 at 06:30 PM.
12-07-2005, 04:37 PM
Best RB in the NFL is giving him way too much credit, but when he's on the team you like, why not. What Dwight Freeney lacks in size, he makes up for it in speed, quickness and strength. I've seen him run over guys weighing 50 pounds heavier. If he can't run through them, he'll throw a quick swim move and go around them. DF in most cases has to be doubled up and that leaves other guys open for the pass rush. Gonzo is awesome though.Originally Posted by oswizzle
12-07-2005, 04:42 PM
So what you're saying is you get your information from Analysts and choose to take their opinion instead forming a thought of your own and being original?Originally Posted by IntensePump
12-07-2005, 04:45 PM
Nate, you are becoming a living contradiction. Those prone to pissing matches might say your statement
"Best RB in the NFL is giving him way too much credit, but when he's on the team you like, why not."
could be used against you and any of your Indy favorites.
Originally Posted by natedogg
12-07-2005, 04:46 PM
Tell you what. Let me know how much of a difference those stats make when the Colts head to Detroit in Feburary. I'd be suprised if KC didn't choke like they usually do and make the playoffs.Originally Posted by IntensePump
12-07-2005, 04:47 PM
Insert a comma after overrated and you will better understand his statement.
Originally Posted by houseman
12-07-2005, 04:47 PM
But...I'm...a...Niners fan. Sorry to disappoint you. Maybe I should be. My team sucks ass. Alex Smith is the greatest QB in the NFL BTW.Originally Posted by massmonster
12-07-2005, 05:00 PM
No disappointment here. How many posts can you quote me on how Badass the chiefs are and how they will win superbowl xl?? I've only disagreed with your logic on how good the colts are. Question? If a niners fan, why all the support for Indy? I dont know **** about Alex. I'll take your word for it.
Originally Posted by natedogg
12-07-2005, 06:28 PM
Wow, another assumption and we all know what that makes you...Originally Posted by houseman
Sounds like you are threatened because there are professional NFL analysts who happen to have the same opinion as mine.
I form my own opinions. Try it out sometime.
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