To T.O. or not to T.O.

[EEmain]

Read it for youself... http://tom.mcallister.ws/2005/11/24/...on-settlement/

[CDONDICI]

Ok the guy thought he deserved a better contract, which he did.
(T.O had more yards, receptions, and TDs than all the other receivers on the eagles combined by a large margin)

How many players have ever held out from trainging camp?

Brian Westbrook held out this year also, he got a new contract. They basically refused to negotiate one with t.o., maybe bc of drew rosenhouse, but still, hipocritical on the part of the front office, IMO.

[CDONDICI]

WRONG!
This comment was in April after TO demanded more money and was told NO!

"In April, Owens said, "(I) wasn't the guy who got tired in the Super Bowl," in an obvious reference to quarterback Donovan McNabb, whose late-game management in Super Bowl XXXIX drew criticism."

Last time I checked the SB was before april....

[CDONDICI]

WRONG! McNabb was asked "HOW are the Eagles going to get to the SB without TO" for the umteenth time...
and how would you have him respond?

I would expect the frachise Qb, professional, and leader of the team, to answer something like:

"We are going to do the best we can with the guys we have."

not

"We can win without him"- obviously said out of jelousy.

[CDONDICI]

All I'm saying is McNabb started this whole thing.

And that ppl hate on T.O. bc he is cocky and can back it up.

[EEmain]

Funny how you justify TO by saying McNabb should have said.

Or that McNabb should have been professional...

Yes a professional would obvisiously still be upset about an (show me the interview script or its still BULL****)alledged comment that was made 5 MONTHS BEFORE...

Or maybe Trotter was right in saying "Wooo this man holds a grudge like no MAN I`ve ever seen!"

[EEmain]

All I'm saying is McNabb started this whole thing.

And that ppl hate on T.O. bc he is cocky and can back it up.

[EEmain]

Me... I can`t wait for the books to come out

[EEmain]

McNabb is jealous of TO because:

(1)TO has the long term contract

(2) TO has the respect of all his peers

(3) TO has the national endorsements

(4) TO has so may SB rings

(5) TO has ????? that McNabb wants

[CDONDICI]

(5) TO has ????? that McNabb wants

More talent than any other player on his team... or anyone that plays his position?

I dont even knwo what your point for arguing is, are you trying to say the eagles will be better off without T.O.?

[EEmain]

More talent than any other player on his team... or anyone that plays his position?

I dont even knwo what your point for arguing is, are you trying to say the eagles will be better off without T.O.?

My point? As you were saying it`s McNabbs fault and before that I suppose Garcia and before that Knapps and before that Mariuccis and before that....

Didn`t he badmouth Baltimores QB after they told him "NO NEW CONTRACT." Kyles fault also?

[Iron Warrior]

All I'm saying is McNabb started this whole thing.

And that ppl hate on T.O. bc he is cocky and can back it up.

Why is it McNabb's fault ? Is it because he responded to TO's accusations of him being tired in the Super Bowl ? Is it McNabb's fault he did what a team leader should do and demand TO be in training camp ? The thing is, according to TO, everyone is at fault. He blamed the 49ers when he was the one acting like a spoiled punk. It was Jeff Garcia's fault he couldn't catch more passes, never his fault. TO is a great talent and can back up whatever he says but he's a cocky ass punk. You wouldn't hear other great receivers like Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, Sterling Sharpe, Herman Moore, Michael Irvin blame the coach, QB, offensive coordinator, or the media for every little thing.

[anabolicrhino]

This story becomes more bizaar by the day.I just read that TO put invitations to a party in the Eagles players lockers.They were designed to look like penalty flags.Owens is certainly not the ideal NFL "approved marketing commodity" type player that McNabb has become.I just don't feel that because Owens has the power to "****" with the system and does, that it makes him a bad person.He is obviously not a classic "team" guy. So what, It has been my experience that on a football team the physically closer to the ball you are the more "character" you have to posses.The linemen have to work as a team and give up their bodies on every play. Wide outs are rarely the leaders on the team. All they have to do is make plays when you need them,alot don't even block. Nobody on the Eagles team was looking to #81 for leadership, just touchdowns. If Owens actions or words hurt anybody, it was because those people allowed the words to bother them.You know if you play, that some guys just say stupid ****. You get used to it and you move on.The only way it becomes a problem is when you lose focus of the goal at hand...winning games.If the Eagles were 7-0 at the time I think Owens would still be playing. McNabb was playing hurt and has earned some slack.Owens is super talented, hyper sensitive freak of nature and needs to be treated as such.

[CDONDICI]

Why is it McNabb's fault ? Is it because he responded to TO's accusations of him being tired in the Super Bowl ? Is it McNabb's fault he did what a team leader should do and demand TO be in training camp ? The thing is, according to TO, everyone is at fault. He blamed the 49ers when he was the one acting like a spoiled punk. It was Jeff Garcia's fault he couldn't catch more passes, never his fault. TO is a great talent and can back up whatever he says but he's a cocky ass punk. You wouldn't hear other great receivers like Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, Sterling Sharpe, Herman Moore, Michael Irvin blame the coach, QB, offensive coordinator, or the media for every little thing.
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It all started when t.o. was first hurt, Mcnabb in a pissy fit of JELOUSY, after being asked if he thinks the eagles will win in the playoffs without t.o. said he was sick of all the t.o. crap, we can win without him.

Now after that most PROFESSIONAL comment, of course, like anyone would be t.o. was ofended.

Why do you guys keep mentioning what happend in SF it has nothing to do with this.

The eagles are supposed to be a premier team and organization SF was not going anywhere that is why T.O. WANTED out. He wants to play for the eageles!

If it has anything to do with it, it is that The Eagles new who they were signing, they Knew how Owens would act if he was disrespected. They shouldnt have signed him if they were not going to accomedate him.

[houseman]

Why do you guys keep mentioning what happend in SF it has nothing to do with this.

The eagles are supposed to be a premere tema and organization SF was not going anywhere that is why T.O. WANTED out. He wants to play for the eageles!

If it has anything to do with it, it is that The Eagles new who they were signing, they Knew how Terrell would act if he was disrespected. They shouldnt have signed him if they were not going to accomedate him.

Oh please. Cry me a ****ing river.

Do you wanna take your bat and go home so we can't play anymore?

Man! I can only imagine what fairyland looks like. You're painting a good picture of it right now though. lol

[sandinsciuz]

Two problems for TO:

1. The guy had CHRONIC diarrhea of the mouth and truly believed the media and fans really cared about what he thought anytime someone stuck a microphone in front of him. Sadly, throughout the whole spectacle, media/fans were curious only to watch the freak show aspect of it, wondering what fresh new stupid thing will the guy say today?

2. It appears a lot of the BS boils down to TO's greed in taking any tack, saying anything, and being willing to take on a scorched earth policy in order to posture and renegotiate his contract. He listened to Rosenhaus, went waaaayyy out on a limb and it broke on him. Now he's sitting around with his thumbs up his butt for the rest of the season.

BTW, around the time of the decision, did any of you catch the TO "attitude" clip being shown on the NFL network? TO walking around practice one afternoon, mocking his coaches, trainers and team mates deadpanning crap like "really good play..... great practice man....... really great job....... way to go team". That sealed the deal for me, the whole ordeal was ugly and vulgar. He's been an ass. I imagine he must have laughed himself silly watching the Seahawks humiliate his teamates on last MNF without him. Frankly, I think he got exactly what he deserved.

Still, this is America, the land of second chances. If TO will take a little lesson in humility from all of this, or at least learn to shut his mouth.....someone will give him a chance next season. No one questions his talent or committment to the game. But no one likes a prima donna either. With some attitude adjustment he'll bounce back and help another team become a contender in the playoffs next year.

[CDONDICI]

How hard would it have been to just say they will negotiate after the season? Just to keep him happy.

And how hard would it be to put the announcement of the mans 100th TD on the big screen at the linc?

So t.o., again offended lika anyone would be, said something.

(Shaun Alexander Bitched and complained last year when he was not put in to gain like 2 yds or sumthing to break 1000 yds or something like that, noone gave a **** then, but everyone is livid about T.O.)

The eagles got mad and said they do not recogzize individual players. And forced him to apologize to donavann so he would stop crying.

And why if they are such a team oriented organization, Why did they force Terrell to appologize to the TEAM AND DONAVANN?!?!??!? Isnt donnavan part of the team?

If he is, T.O. appologized to the team, so that would include donavan, correct?

But then they go and suspend him after he did what they asked...

[sandinsciuz]

...................it is that The Eagles new who they were signing, they Knew how Owens would act if he was disrespected. They shouldnt have signed him if they were not going to accomedate him.

Clearly the Eagles knew TO came with baggage and potential to be disruptive. But there is NO WAY Reid/Lurie would have offered TO a deal had they a crystal ball to gaze into and see this train wreck coming...... no way.

And btw, when they signed him they DID accommodate him. They offered him a deal no one else in the NFL was willing to give him..... then, or now....... or probably at any time again in the future. And that's the part that must just be killing TO right now..... that and having to fork back over some of his signing bonus.

[sandinsciuz]

How hard would it have been to just say they will negotiate after the season? Just to keep him happy.

Do you know what a "contract" is? It's an agreement. TO SIGNED his contract when he came to the Eagles. That means he AGREED to the terms contained therein, including $$ when he came through the door. The owner and the coaching staff run the organization. The players do not run the organization. The owners/coaches don't take orders from the players, you have it backwards. Contrast TO's classless ignorant behavior with Westbrook's, or Richard Seymour's of the Patriots. Both quietly and respectfully used their track record to negotiate a better deal, and were successful because they were respectful. TO thought he was such a superstar that he could rub Lurie's/Reid's nose in it. Life doesn't work that way.

And how hard would it be to put the announcement of the mans 100th TD on the big screen at the linc?

So t.o., again offended lika anyone would be, said something.

(Shaun Alexander Bitched and complained last year when he was not put in to gain like 2 yds or sumthing to break 1000 yds or something like that, noone gave a **** then, but everyone is livid about T.O.)

The eagles got mad and said they do not recogzize individual players. And forced him to apologize to donavann so he would stop crying.

You're right about this one, it wouldn't have been a big deal. But by then he had already pissed everyone off.

And why if they are such a team oriented organization, Why did they force Terrell to appologize to the TEAM AND DONAVANN?!?!??!? Isnt donnavan part of the team?

If he is, T.O. appologized to the team, so that would include donavan, correct?

But then they go and suspend him after he did what they asked...

Because McNabb was playing in a lot of pain, he was completely messed up with several tears/hernias and unspecified problems with his sternum...... and God only knows what else. C'mon, the guy is a WARRIOR for carrying on selflessly for his team like that. And then TO has the balls to say publicly, PUBLICLY, that if Favre was the Eagles QB, they'd be winning. What an idiot!! An absolute braindead ass. McNabb is the QB. He's the leader of the team. OF COURSE TO owed him an apology, and an honest heart felt apology.... not the lamo half baked excuse he proferred.

[sandinsciuz]

CDONDICI

Gotta be some Italian in you, no?

I think what you're not getting, and the TO didn't get, is that talent is important, but so is attitude and respect. There's no shortage of ego in the NFL. The guys who own the team, who have written the really big check to buy the team and pay the bills don't appreciate a prima donna player with a ****ty attitude airing out all his dirty laundry publicly. The players deserve to be treated respectfully, but so do the owners and coaching staff.

There's a saying in business....... no one cares how much you know until they know how much you care. Attitude is contagious, both good and bad attitude alike. I don't care how good someone is at their job, if they have a ****ty attitude about it they're worse than useless, they're detrimental to your operations.

TO became such a train wreck this season, to the team that took him in and gave him a $49M contract, what else can anyone expect Lurie/Reed to do?! I can't imagine it would be much different with any other team.

And while there may be some instances where the Eagles organization could have handled some things differently, bottom line is it's Lurie's team to run, not TO's.