To T.O. or not to T.O.
- 12-08-2005, 09:14 PM
- 12-09-2005, 01:49 PM
Originally Posted by CDONDICI
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- 12-09-2005, 04:17 PM
TO stranger than fiction
This story becomes more bizaar by the day.I just read that TO put invitations to a party in the Eagles players lockers.They were designed to look like penalty flags.Owens is certainly not the ideal NFL "approved marketing commodity" type player that McNabb has become.I just don't feel that because Owens has the power to "****" with the system and does, that it makes him a bad person.He is obviously not a classic "team" guy. So what, It has been my experience that on a football team the physically closer to the ball you are the more "character" you have to posses.The linemen have to work as a team and give up their bodies on every play. Wide outs are rarely the leaders on the team. All they have to do is make plays when you need them,alot don't even block. Nobody on the Eagles team was looking to #81 for leadership, just touchdowns. If Owens actions or words hurt anybody, it was because those people allowed the words to bother them.You know if you play, that some guys just say stupid ****. You get used to it and you move on.The only way it becomes a problem is when you lose focus of the goal at hand...winning games.If the Eagles were 7-0 at the time I think Owens would still be playing. McNabb was playing hurt and has earned some slack.Owens is super talented, hyper sensitive freak of nature and needs to be treated as such.
- 12-09-2005, 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by Iron Warrior
It all started when t.o. was first hurt, Mcnabb in a pissy fit of JELOUSY, after being asked if he thinks the eagles will win in the playoffs without t.o. said he was sick of all the t.o. crap, we can win without him.
Now after that most PROFESSIONAL comment, of course, like anyone would be t.o. was ofended.
The eagles are supposed to be a premier team and organization SF was not going anywhere that is why T.O. WANTED out. He wants to play for the eageles!
If it has anything to do with it, it is that The Eagles new who they were signing, they Knew how Owens would act if he was disrespected. They shouldnt have signed him if they were not going to accomedate him. - 12-09-2005, 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by CDONDICI
Do you wanna take your bat and go home so we can't play anymore?
Man! I can only imagine what fairyland looks like. You're painting a good picture of it right now though. lol -
- 12-09-2005, 04:45 PM
Two problems for TO:
1. The guy had CHRONIC diarrhea of the mouth and truly believed the media and fans really cared about what he thought anytime someone stuck a microphone in front of him. Sadly, throughout the whole spectacle, media/fans were curious only to watch the freak show aspect of it, wondering what fresh new stupid thing will the guy say today?
2. It appears a lot of the BS boils down to TO's greed in taking any tack, saying anything, and being willing to take on a scorched earth policy in order to posture and renegotiate his contract. He listened to Rosenhaus, went waaaayyy out on a limb and it broke on him. Now he's sitting around with his thumbs up his butt for the rest of the season.
BTW, around the time of the decision, did any of you catch the TO "attitude" clip being shown on the NFL network? TO walking around practice one afternoon, mocking his coaches, trainers and team mates deadpanning crap like "really good play..... great practice man....... really great job....... way to go team". That sealed the deal for me, the whole ordeal was ugly and vulgar. He's been an ass. I imagine he must have laughed himself silly watching the Seahawks humiliate his teamates on last MNF without him. Frankly, I think he got exactly what he deserved.
Still, this is America, the land of second chances. If TO will take a little lesson in humility from all of this, or at least learn to shut his mouth.....someone will give him a chance next season. No one questions his talent or committment to the game. But no one likes a prima donna either. With some attitude adjustment he'll bounce back and help another team become a contender in the playoffs next year. - 12-09-2005, 04:49 PM
How hard would it have been to just say they will negotiate after the season? Just to keep him happy.
And how hard would it be to put the announcement of the mans 100th TD on the big screen at the linc?
So t.o., again offended lika anyone would be, said something.
(Shaun Alexander Bitched and complained last year when he was not put in to gain like 2 yds or sumthing to break 1000 yds or something like that, noone gave a **** then, but everyone is livid about T.O.)
The eagles got mad and said they do not recogzize individual players. And forced him to apologize to donavann so he would stop crying.
And why if they are such a team oriented organization, Why did they force Terrell to appologize to the TEAM AND DONAVANN?!?!??!? Isnt donnavan part of the team?
If he is, T.O. appologized to the team, so that would include donavan, correct?
But then they go and suspend him after he did what they asked... - 12-09-2005, 04:58 PM
Originally Posted by CDONDICI
And btw, when they signed him they DID accommodate him. They offered him a deal no one else in the NFL was willing to give him..... then, or now....... or probably at any time again in the future. And that's the part that must just be killing TO right now..... that and having to fork back over some of his signing bonus. - 12-09-2005, 05:15 PM
Originally Posted by CDONDICI
Originally Posted by CDONDICI
You're right about this one, it wouldn't have been a big deal. But by then he had already pissed everyone off.
Originally Posted by CDONDICI
- 12-09-2005, 05:38 PM
CDONDICI
Gotta be some Italian in you, no?
I think what you're not getting, and the TO didn't get, is that talent is important, but so is attitude and respect. There's no shortage of ego in the NFL. The guys who own the team, who have written the really big check to buy the team and pay the bills don't appreciate a prima donna player with a ****ty attitude airing out all his dirty laundry publicly. The players deserve to be treated respectfully, but so do the owners and coaching staff.
There's a saying in business....... no one cares how much you know until they know how much you care. Attitude is contagious, both good and bad attitude alike. I don't care how good someone is at their job, if they have a ****ty attitude about it they're worse than useless, they're detrimental to your operations.
TO became such a train wreck this season, to the team that took him in and gave him a $49M contract, what else can anyone expect Lurie/Reed to do?! I can't imagine it would be much different with any other team.
And while there may be some instances where the Eagles organization could have handled some things differently, bottom line is it's Lurie's team to run, not TO's. - 12-09-2005, 05:52 PM
And BTW, on a small side note..... this business about TO alleging McNabb was out of shape for the superbowl......."I wasn't the one who ran out of gas in the super bowl":
I recorded Superbowl XXXIX and have watched it many times. While I haven't heard it discussed, I don't believe McNabb lacked conditioning, I believe he was hurt. Teams don't usually talk publicly about things like that, and McNabb isn't one to make excuses.
As the game wore on the Patriots front 7 were getting to him and knocking him around. There was one play in particular into the 4th quarter where Richard Seymour drove McNabb into the ground. McNabb was slow to get up, was rubbing one side of his jaw and overall, really seemed to fade from that point on. Seymour weighs in at something like 310 lbs and was moving pretty good when he hit him. And it wasn't just the hit, it was that he drove McNabb's back down to the ground by driving him from the point of contact, his chest/abdomen area. At the speed these guys move at, it had to be a helluva shot to absorb. McNabb is a tough guy but there's only so much punishment even an athelete of his calibur can absorb, and I think that one was effectively the tko that finished him and the hopes of the Eagles that night. - 12-09-2005, 08:20 PM
Originally Posted by anabolicrhino
The teams buys NFC Championship rings for everyone. Now some guy who came along in the last year decides he is gonna sell his. Not only sell it but make a big deal out of it.(TV cameras, personal presentation to the high bidder) Oh of course he says "I am selling it to help the hurricane victums". BULL**** the man took a calculated stab at the entire Eagles team. $9MILL MINUS $50K... write a check and shutup. That is unless you can`t write a check. Hmmm... - 12-09-2005, 08:22 PM
Originally Posted by CDONDICI
- 12-09-2005, 08:23 PM
- 12-09-2005, 08:38 PM
Originally Posted by sandinsciuz
writes for one of the locals about the Eagles. He went back and ran through the whole SB tape. While on The Angelo Cataldi tv show, not radio, he showed the tape where McNabb fumbles the snap
and falls on it near the TIRED-THROWING UP-OUT OF BREATH TOOK place. It showed Mc on the ground back to the D. And Bruschi(NOT an indcitment, clean play, **** happens) tackles Mc and his knee is driven into McNabbs kindey region.
Then McNabb gets up and stumbles to
huddle. Hmm... take a shot to the kidney and you will appear to be choking-out of breath or maybe throwing up.
D. Mcnabb would never say this out loud... man doesn`t talk **** or give excuses. Takes after his coach. Everyone did see the Farve-Reid-Holmgren piece on Monday night didn`t they?
No one ever says that TO could have been infering to Pinkston. He did leave with cramps/dehydration in the second half.Last edited by EEmain; 12-09-2005 at 09:01 PM.
- 12-09-2005, 09:00 PM
My take after much reading and FACT gathering.
TO asks for more money, in the media, because he wants more or thinks he deserves more or has to have more NOW!
Bad contract, wait till he sees his next one.
Eagles say NO! Play and get paid or not!
TO petitions McNabb to support him in the media... McNabb doesn`t respond.
TO gets pissed. Attack starts. He blames McNabb for saying something in way( NO ONE has been able to show me a print of the quote) that hurt hims feelins.. Ahhhhhhh...
McNabb still doesn`t go off. "I don`t play games in the media."
TO redirects with threats to disrupt and destroy the season. Doesn`t work. "Play and get paid or not."
Send him home in TC. Lies about SECRET WAIVER... says he can`t play with McNabb and the hypocrit crack.
McNabb finally has enough "Keep my name and my familys out of your mouth!" to the press. TO wouldn`t talk to him right?
All the letters say what the charges were. Much more has been rumored and unconfirmed.
TO didn`t do as Reid asks. He left and entire paragraph out of the Speech that was written about McNabb.
He gets kicked. Then he is soooooo sorry. Money is going BYE-BYE. But being sorry for the consequences and being sorry for your actions is too different things. See you, wouldn`t want to be you!
If I missed anything sorry. Feel free to laugh, at least one of you will, but he is gone and the EAGLES are a better TEAM without him. Not more explosive on offense BUT ADDITITON BY SUBTRACTION better. - 12-09-2005, 09:14 PM
TO timeline
This is a TO time line to trace the events of the last ttwo years.Please help to correct if you can.
Feb 2004-Owens and Mcnabb meet at the probowl and talk about how great they could be together.
Mar.-TO's agent "forgets to file for free agency". Owens is now stuck with the 49ers unless they trade him.His only option is to sit out a year.He is completely screwed by his agent and will have to take what ever deal he can get.Why he did not fire his agent at this point is amazing.I mean that's all agents do..file papers and he forgot!WTF
Apr.-49ers trade Owens to Baltimore.NFL steps in and says that Philadelphia had the first deal option on Owens.This went totally unexplained at the time and really pissed off everyone in Baltimore and SanFrancisco
May-Owens signs an average deal for much less than he would have gotten as a free agent.He gets to play with Mcnabb and a Superbowl ready team.He also agrees to a broad termed clause to protect the Eagles from any TO mischief. No decent agent would have let him sign it.It basically gives the Eagles the right to opt out at anytime for any reason.The deal makes him the third highest paid receiver on average in the NFL,but most of it is in the form of a roster bonus to be paid in March of 2006.Not uncommon in todays NFL,but still risky as it is not guarenteed money.
Sept2004-FEB 2005-Owens,Mcnabb and the Eagles go on to a record setting season It culminates with Owens,playing on a broken ankle, being the best player on the field in a 3 point Superbowl loss.Everyone loves TO
Mar 2005-TO meets Drew Rosehaus at an ESPN charity Bowling event.Owens fires his agent and hires Rosenhaus.He immediately lets it be known that he wants more money now because he feels he out performed the structure of his current deal with the Eagles.He says he risked his career to play in the Superbowl against doctors orders.The Eagles say "NO DEAL!" they site numerous occasions where they did not renegotiate "in" contract.
April 2005- Owens askes his good friend and teamate McNabb to support him in his quest for a new deal. McNabb wants nothing to do with Owens contract squabble.( understandable as he makes 15 million a year and has toomany endorsment deals to risk by rocking the boat) He responce to the media is "we can win with or without him" He goes on to say that TO should come to camp so he can be in his best shape for the new season. Owens responce to Mcnabbs comments about physical conditioning( Owens is a legendary fanatic on physical conditioning ) " I wasn't the one sucking wind in the 4th quarter of the Superbowl"
June2005- Owens is fined for missing a mandantory minicamp.
July 2005-TO's first play of the pre season, after being suspended one week for being insubbordinate, is a 60 yard td reception. All is good!
Sept-Mcnabb injured in loss to Falcons. He stll plays but he is not the same player.
Oct2005-The Eagles are being spanked in Denver 28-7, when Owens smokes Champ Bailey for a 91yrd TD. Eagles come back falls short when Mcnabb makes the first of many bad 4th quarter decisions.TO while being interveiwed by a Syracuse University( where McNabbs is on the board of trustees) is asked whether he agrees with Michael Irvins' remark about how the Eagles could possibly be undefeated if Brett Favre was their QB, instead of the injured Mcnabb(Irvin was pointing out, that he did not think it was fair for Favre to have to play for a ****ty team in what could be his last year.) Owens responce "...a yeah I guess I could see that, I could agree with that..." ESPN plays this taped interview more than the Rodney King tape.
Nov.2005 Hugh Douglas former Eagle player and current self proclaimed ambassador ( him self a former contract hold out ) challenges Owens in the training room about the severity of his current ankle injury.Owens accepts the challenge and anyone else who wants to say something.Andy Reid suspends Owens indefinately unless he appologies to the entire team.He does but is a day late and 12 million dollars short. Good bye TO
Dec2005-The Eagles suck.They quit at halftime during a MNF 42-0 blow out to Seattle at home during "Reggie White" night.
Right now-I feel sick and write this timeline to help the healing process - 12-09-2005, 09:22 PM
Originally Posted by EEmain
and this party in Atlantic City.This is a complete soap opera - 12-09-2005, 09:36 PM
- 12-09-2005, 10:08 PM
Few things... the arbitration hearing was about the date in TOs contract being different than the CBA. If the NFL gave rights to Eagles why give Balt. a draft pick? Or were the teams told to make it work. No decision was made, settled first. The hearing only came about after Balt. told TO no new contract.
The Eagles were given the right to negociate with TO while working a trade with SF. Contract was done, at least that was the word. Balt. comes in and gets him because the Eagles were playing hardball with the Niners over a draft pick.
Its a debate that his ankle was still broken or healed. The screws and plate were still there and it was expected he would snap them but didn`t. IIRC 2 more weeks(from SB) and the Doc was to pull the screws and plate.
TO wasn`t the best player or Wideout that night! He(Best Player) got to hold the Lombardi and took home the MVP.
However TOs play was the stuff of legend. Now he is in a class with Richie Allen and Eric Linlost(Lindros)
around here.
I only wish they would have lost to GB. Here hoping!
Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa: This former high school quarterback has developed into one of the best defensive players in the country while at Iowa. At 6-4, 239 pounds, he is relentless in his pursuit of the ball. Very fast, with playmaking ability
Mario Williams, DE, North Carolina State (Jr.): At 6-7, 285 pounds, he has outstanding speed off the edge. Has been a starter since he stepped on campus as a freshman. He could be higher on this list with a great junior season
A.J. Hawk, LB, Ohio State: LB out of Ohio State. 6'2" 235 pounds, he has the size and speed teams like. . Very fast, intelligent LB, with playmaking ability. Possibly the years best defensive playmaker. He's one of those players who seems to be everywhere when you watch him play
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Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College: DE out of Boston College 6'7"-6'8" 260 pounds. Regarded as the best pure pass rusher in the country last season. Came back for his senior year and expected to be even better. Physical freak who runs a 4.6 40. We know teams are desperate for pass rushers, which will make this speed rusher a potential top five pick
Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon (Jr.): At 6-5, 345, he has the powerful build to be a run-stuffer on the next level. He also has some quickness to collapse the pocket.
Oh the rewards of incompetence! - 12-10-2005, 11:16 AM
I hope he goes to the falcons, if they get him watch the hell out. They will be a serious contender next year.
- 12-10-2005, 12:20 PM
Originally Posted by EEmain
All anyone said for 4 yrs around here was, "were good, but we need a star recevier" We finally get one, and probly would havce won the Sb if he wasnt hurt and the rest of the team showed up, but then donavann gets jelous, and Andy reid decides after 6 yrs or so or great coaching, to stick his head straight up his ass.
Players cut or let go:
emmons
burgess
reese
simon
T.O.
You cant get rid of good players and expect to still be good, I dont know what andy reid thinks, but that is another story.
You guys both forgot this from your timelineIt all started when t.o. was first hurt, Mcnabb in a pissy fit of JELOUSY, after being asked if he thinks the eagles will win in the playoffs without t.o. said he was sick of all the t.o. crap, we can win without him.
Apologies are for your girlfriends.
And Donavann is not courageuos, watch every game loosing int he throws he always seems to get shaken up on the return.
And after that vicious block in the dallas game where he falls on his back he tears his groin apart, he decides the eagles are going nowhere and decides to quit. - 12-10-2005, 01:09 PM
[quote=EEmain]
TO wasn`t the best player or Wideout that night! He(Best Player) got to hold the Lombardi and took home the MVP.
You are correct sir.He was the best player on the losing team.However anytime a WR wins the MVP, he had to get some help from his QB.(Brady 0 ints/McNabb 3 ints)
as far as a draft I like that kid from Penn State.(name?)he just won the Bednarick award.Maybe a new face in the secondary.How about scrapping the "haven't won a SuperBowl since the Packers" westcoast offense.Pro-set works pretty well for the Colts and Rams.McNabbs skill set is much better suited to a long passing, power running game.Remember all the deep balls to Owens and Pinkston last year? - 12-10-2005, 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by CDONDICI
- 12-10-2005, 02:22 PM
Yea your right, everyone plays hurt, including T.O. and McNabb, but one is brave when he does it, and one is selfish... one is productive the other is not.
I just don't understand why donavann is like a god to people, when his dumb ass should have went in for surgery rigth after the falcons game, instead of throwing away a whole season.
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