To T.O. or not to T.O.
- 12-07-2005, 02:36 PM
- 12-07-2005, 02:49 PM
12-07-2005, 05:27 PM
Your comments remind me of something a 7 year old would say - Lacking intelligence, structure and logic.Originally Posted by CDONDICI
12-07-2005, 05:35 PM
12-08-2005, 01:36 PM
Nope, anyone who talks **** about TO does it because he's been acting like a selfish primadonna. He says he was done wrong because he played hurt in the Super Bowl but I'm sure he's not the only player in the history of the game who has done that. Jerry Rice came back in a similar situation when he tore a ligament in week 1, cme back in week 14, got hurt and missed the rest of the year. He wasn't bitching about the team being unfair to him or not paying him more money for playing hurt. He sucked it up, rehabbed again, showed up for the first day of training camp the following year and played like a real professional does.Originally Posted by CDONDICI
12-08-2005, 06:15 PM
I dont think everyone truely understands what has happend here.
It all started when t.o. was first hurt, Mcnabb in a pissy fit of JELOUSY, after being asked if he thinks the eagles will win in the playoffs without t.o. said he was sick of all the t.o. crap, we can win without him.
Now after that most PROFESSIONAL comment, of course, like anyone would be t.o. was ofended.
Then Donnavan being the PROFESSIONAL athlete that he is becam "tired" in the superbowl and arguably, along with the outstanding time managment skills of PROFESSIONAL Head Coahc Andy Reid, cost them the game.
T.O. was then interveiwed atfter the superbowl, still offended by donavans comment, and discouraged further after his mcnabbs subpar performance in the sb, was asked something about donnavan and said, "I wasn't the one who got tired in the superbowl."
So was basically a feud between the two fueled by donavanns jelousy. "we can win without him" Yea they did, but barely, I dont know if you remmeber thoise games but the eagles did not deserve to win those games. and you see the performance witout t.o. this year(the only win was against a pitiful GB team and only by 3pts or so)
So IMO donavann is the real cancer and as T.O. stated we would be better of with someone like Brett Farve as QB.
12-08-2005, 06:43 PM
Well, I guess thats one way of looking at it. But then how come almost everybody thats interviewed, within the league, says that they DO NOT want TO on their team? He has a history of pulling this crap. He did almost the same thing in San Fran.. And at that time only Philly really wanted him. Now with him burning the Philly bridge, how many teams will want him now? And if a team does pick him up its only going to be for a short 1-2 yr deal for next to no money. Some experts say that if this happens TO will get the league min. in salary.Originally Posted by CDONDICI
12-08-2005, 07:21 PM
12-08-2005, 07:24 PM
WRONG! McNabb was asked "HOW are the Eagles going to get to the SB without TO" for the umteenth time...Originally Posted by CDONDICI
and how would you have him respond?
12-08-2005, 07:27 PM
WRONG!Originally Posted by CDONDICI
This comment was in April after TO demanded more money and was told NO!
"In April, Owens said, "(I) wasn't the guy who got tired in the Super Bowl," in an obvious reference to quarterback Donovan McNabb, whose late-game management in Super Bowl XXXIX drew criticism."
12-08-2005, 07:30 PM
Ummm... yea...Owens told the Miami Herald, "At the end of the day, I don't have to worry about what people think of me, whether they hate me or not. People hated on Jesus. They threw stones at him and tried to kill him, so how can I complain or worry about what people think?"
12-08-2005, 07:36 PM
The full text of five letters from Reid to Owens is included in Bloch's ruling. The first is that July 26 correspondence, which Reid thought necessary in light of what he called ''angry and threatening statements'' Owens had made in telephone conversations before camp. Owens, Reid wrote, ''repeatedly threatened to do things in a manner that would be destructive to both the Philadelphia Eagles and your own career'' and ''specifically told me that you had no intention of coming into training camp and trying your best while you feel you are underpaid.''
12-08-2005, 07:41 PM
Owens skipped a mandatory team mini-camp in late April and, shortly thereafter, announced his appearance at the pre-season training camp on a “satisfactory” re-negotiation of the contract. Rosenhaus and Owens were unequivocal in letting the team know that Owens’ happiness was tied toward renegotiating the contract. Coach Andy Reid testified as to their communications to him:
A. [Drew and Terrell said]… that things weren’t going to be pretty if he did come to camp. Somewhere in there, you know, T.O. mentioned that he knew how I was wired and the discipline that I asked of the Players, and that I wouldn’t be happy with what I saw. 
12-08-2005, 07:45 PM
When I sent you home on August 10, it was my hope that you could cool off and return with a renewed attitude and focus. I attempted, in a non-provocative way, to give you a chance to start from scratch. Since that time, you have made a spectacle of this situation, continued to criticize teammate and coaches, and made FALSE statements to the media. I am trying hard to work with you and give you the benefit of the doubt; you are making that almost impossible.
Lying about signing a non-existent waiver is certainly not constructive in terms of our relationship, and does not further anyone’s goals. Especially since the reality is that we bent over backwards to make you aware that we were more than willing to share the risk with you.
12-08-2005, 07:49 PM
We also want to make you aware of at least three instances in which you violated team rules. On August 4, 2005, you did not bring your playbook to a team meeting. At a separate meeting, you also refused to open your playbook. On August 5, 2005 you slept through a team meeting. This resulting in the coaching staff having to correct you during practice to make sure you where in the proper position. Finally, on August 5, 2005 you were late to a mandatory treatment session with our trainers. Although collectively these are violations of the team rules, we are not going to fine you for these violations at this time, but you are on notice that further violations of squad rules may result in doubling and tripling of fine amounts for repeat violations, and continued violations thereafter may result in fines and/or suspension for Conduct Detrimental to the Club.
12-08-2005, 07:52 PM
12-08-2005, 07:56 PM
Ok the guy thought he deserved a better contract, which he did.
(T.O had more yards, receptions, and TDs than all the other receivers on the eagles combined by a large margin)
How many players have ever held out from trainging camp?
Brian Westbrook held out this year also, he got a new contract. They basically refused to negotiate one with t.o., maybe bc of drew rosenhouse, but still, hipocritical on the part of the front office, IMO.
12-08-2005, 07:58 PM
12-08-2005, 08:00 PM
I would expect the frachise Qb, professional, and leader of the team, to answer something like:Originally Posted by EEmain
"We are going to do the best we can with the guys we have."
"We can win without him"- obviously said out of jelousy.
12-08-2005, 08:06 PM
All I'm saying is McNabb started this whole thing.
And that ppl hate on T.O. bc he is cocky and can back it up.
12-08-2005, 08:36 PM
Funny how you justify TO by saying McNabb should have said.
Or that McNabb should have been professional...
Yes a professional would obvisiously still be upset about an (show me the interview script or its still BULL****)alledged comment that was made 5 MONTHS BEFORE...
Or maybe Trotter was right in saying "Wooo this man holds a grudge like no MAN I`ve ever seen!"
12-08-2005, 08:39 PM
12-08-2005, 08:42 PM
12-08-2005, 08:46 PM
McNabb is jealous of TO because:
(1)TO has the long term contract
(2) TO has the respect of all his peers
(3) TO has the national endorsements
(4) TO has so may SB rings
(5) TO has ????? that McNabb wants
12-08-2005, 08:54 PM
More talent than any other player on his team... or anyone that plays his position?Originally Posted by EEmain
I dont even knwo what your point for arguing is, are you trying to say the eagles will be better off without T.O.?
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