[Bean]

Originally Posted by BingeAndPurge

And could USC please play someone with a good defense? Forget this "greatest of all time" BS. Dig a 20+ hole against a team that's good on both sides of the ball and see what happens. PSU, FSU, VT, and Texas all have decent to good D's.

I agree but I disagree about Penn State and Florida state having good Ds... neither one has played any teams with a decent O...

I have no clue why Florida state is ranked so high... its like the old bias for Notre Dame back in the 80s and early 90s... Florida state beat Miami in the first game... barely... with stupidly sloppy play from both teams. This is why strength of schedule should have something to do with the AP poll... I'm tired of teams like the Seminoles and Hurricanes getting ranked so high with subpar performances.
Granted they both have had great teams in the past (in the last few years even)... but face it... Miami SUCKED last year and they arent much better this year either... and Florida State isnt much better IMO.... both teams are just like Notre dame from a couple decades ago... decent teams but seriously overrated and never won games they were "supposed" to.

Now as for USC... if they played a team with a REALLY GOOD defense and a consistently decent offense... they would lose....
case in point, if they played against Bama (yup i'm biased) two weeks ago, they would have lost... now if bama can be consistently good like that, we'll see... They play Tennessee next week and LSU a few weeks after that.

What pisses me off, is that Texas and VT both arent playing anymore good teams and have much less of a chance of losing... this puts out the SEC teams (because at least one will most likely be undefeated, or ranked highly after the SEC championship; bama or georgia its looking right now)

[jmh80]

We'll see Bean. At Blacksburg on Nov. 5th will show the country just about the Canes.

I'll make some picks for tomorrow:
I think USC trashes ND.
LSU beats FLA.
Michigan snaps out of their season-long slumber and beats Penn State
Texas beats Colorodo by less than 10 points.
Ohio St. bounces back and beats MSU.

And, last but not least, Miami pitches a shutout against Temple in Philly.

[jmh80]

Mtruther - The Canes schedules back in the Independent days were radically different every season, save for FSU (and Florida until they pussied out in '87 or whenever). No conference affiliation does that.

Binge - good to see Miami-OSU in '09/'10.

[Bean]

I say LSU loses to Florida, but not by much, it will be a close game...
Penn State loses (good team,but not top 10 good, sorry)
Texas beats colorado... just an average win..
And MSU beats OhioState... I think MSU got robbed when playing Michigan they should have won that game. Ohio State doesnt have much to keep them up in the rankings... I dont think their defense is very good honestly (who have they played... really?) and their offense is pathetic.

Oh and your avatar rocks Reminds me of a girl down here that I know... I love it when she wears white pants

[Bean]

missed out on LSU and Ohio state... though I think if the coaching at MSU wasnt so crappy they might have won that game.

Predicted Penn state and then Florida state handily proved my point about their defense (and their team) being completely overhyped.

Rankings on Sunday should be:
1) USC (will have lost some ground to Texas)
2) Texas
3) VT
4) Georgia
5) Alabama
6) ND
7) LSU
8) Miami
9) Texas Tech
10) Fla State

[BingeAndPurge]

I say USC loses close to 15 votes.

[jmh80]

I think Texas did gain a few 1st place. VTech had a 1st place last week (I think it had to be from ole' Flubber Neck himself).

Looks like I was right on all my games - just wrong on the potential scores.

Just goes to show what I've known for a while - I can't predict a score worth a ****.

[z28man]

Florida State D is definetly not overhyped. We have our weekpoints but thats not one of them. Sure they had an off game, but Hagans had an incredible night. He is extremely quick, even when we were all over him he somehow managed to get free. The refs were horrible as well. We couldnt sneeze without getting a penalty for it. Basically they beat themselves with bad play calling, an inexperienced QB, a weak offensive line, and an off night for the D. Ole Miss almost ate Bamas lunch anyway. The "everyone but Bama BS sucks" rhetoric is just lame. I dont see them going undefeated this year.

[Bean]

Originally Posted by z28man

Florida State D is definetly not overhyped. We have our weekpoints but thats not one of them. Sure they had an off game, but Hagans had an incredible night. He is extremely quick, even when we were all over him he somehow managed to get free. The refs were horrible as well. We couldnt sneeze without getting a penalty for it. Basically they beat themselves with bad play calling, an inexperienced QB, a weak offensive line, and an off night for the D. Ole Miss almost ate Bamas lunch anyway. The "everyone but Bama BS sucks" rhetoric is just lame. I dont see them going undefeated this year.

Sorry, but since they havent played any good teams (and yeah unready Miami for the opening game of the season doesnt count, both teams looked pathetic) and then LOST to a team that isnt that good (Virginia was handily beaten by Maryland and Boston College)... I dont see a "great defense for the ages" like I keep hearing

Dont complain about the penalties... there were A LOT of teams with penalty problems.... I was watching 3-4 games at once almost all day and I couldnt BELIEVE the amount of calls being made on punt returns (granted its primetime for some illegal blocks and holding calls), but it was really bad.

No one ever came up with your 'rhetoric'... but you attempting to point out its existence DOES show a bit of jealousy.

They might not go undefeated; who knows? But they are hella furthur than I thought they'd be... definitely bowl bound (hopefully a BCS bowl!)... and they havent lost yet either We'll see next week if they beat Tennessee and a few weeks later LSU.

Rankings:

As for the rankings, USC lost 1 first place vote. Thats it. ND remains at #9; definitely some respect given there for such a good game.

1. USC (57) 6-0 1,617
2. Texas (8) 6-0 1,566
3. Virginia Tech 6-0 1,495
4. Georgia 6-0 1,426
5. Alabama 6-0 1,306
6. Miami 5-1 1,278
7. LSU 4-1 1,201
8. UCLA 6-0 1,085
9. Notre Dame 4-2 1,020
10. Texas Tech 6-0 1,007
11. Florida State 5-1 1,003
12. Penn State 6-1 854
13. Boston College 6-1 809
14. Ohio State 4-2 798
15. Oregon 6-1 665
16. Auburn 5-1 644
17. Tennessee 3-2 581
18. Florida 5-2 575
19. Wisconsin 6-1 549
20. West Virginia 6-1 379
21. TCU 6-1 249
22. Michigan State 4-2 223
23. Virginia 4-2 161
24. Fresno State 4-1 100
25. California 5-2 89

[Rogue Drone]

Originally Posted by jmh80

Just goes to show what I've known for a while - I can't predict a score worth a ****.

Don't sweat it, very few people can consistently beat the spread in CFB. Those who claim they can make big $ on it are usually lying
for ego or to sell their picks.

I've been gambling for a long time. There are three ways, in my experience, to use College Football as an investment vehicle either 1) learn everything there is to know about a few select teams and the conference they play in, get areal feel for those teams only or 2) bet always against the spread with an equal dollar amount in as many games as possible, one can make ~5% a week this way, or 3) find an "expert" who's consistently wrong, most all are, and go contrarian to him. The second method is best for most people, a few simple rules applied universally with proper money management.

IMO, people who define a mechanical technical analysis system(s) for CFB would be better off using their methods in other sports or Futures, it's an inherently unpredicatable activity, which is why it's so fun to be a fan, a rollercoaster of ups and downs.

College Football is probably the worst sports betting vehicle for consistent returns and Pro Basketball is the best. The consistentcy and number of games in the NBA, particularly playing against the perennial bad versus ATS teams like the Atlanta Hawks is where one can do well week after week. I don't give a damn about roundball or know much about playing it, and that makes me a better gambler for using a dry technical method only.

I don't bet CFB anymore, it takes the fun out of it, fun/feel and $ consistentcy are contrary positions.

[BingeAndPurge]

The coaches rankings came out today, yes, but I was thinking of AP as far as USC losing votes.

Edit:I'm a jackass, NM

[Rogue Drone]

Originally Posted by BingeAndPurge

Edit:I'm a jackass, NM

You're just a Buckeye fan, Binge, the hardcore too often violent fanatics who have few friends among other fans.

I warned my Longhorn friends to take a weapon to Columbus and keep their mouths shut, they reported the usual hospitality at the Horseshoe. Still pretty tame compared to English soccer, though.

Maybe it's better to be feared than loved. OSU is a tough nut to crack, they've earned the respect.

Say what you will about USC and their schedule, they have exploitable weaknesses like any team, but they flat out know how to win. IMO, Notre Dame played a lights out near perfect ballsy game that would have beaten any other team that night, and USC pulled it out like the champions that they are. They are probably ****ed if Bush gets hurt or can be slowed sufficently, but for now, they are the best until someone can prove otherwise on the field.

[mtruther]

To be fair to Virginia (and thus Florida State), they led Boston College for over a half and had Maryland down for 3 quarters. It's not as if they weren't ever in those games.

Virginia is a quality team, but one that has to have all its motors firing full throttle to take down a top team. It just so happened that Hagans brought everything he had against Florida State.

And don't ever accuse me of being a Florida State fan... I really dislike them, but they deserve the respect to at least be disliked. Those 3 interceptions pretty much cooked them.

[z28man]

Originally Posted by Bean

Sorry, but since they havent played any good teams (and yeah unready Miami for the opening game of the season doesnt count, both teams looked pathetic) and then LOST to a team that isnt that good (Virginia was handily beaten by Maryland and Boston College)... I dont see a "great defense for the ages" like I keep hearing

Dont complain about the penalties... there were A LOT of teams with penalty problems.... I was watching 3-4 games at once almost all day and I couldnt BELIEVE the amount of calls being made on punt returns (granted its primetime for some illegal blocks and holding calls), but it was really bad.

No one ever came up with your 'rhetoric'... but you attempting to point out its existence DOES show a bit of jealousy.

They might not go undefeated; who knows? But they are hella furthur than I thought they'd be... definitely bowl bound (hopefully a BCS bowl!)... and they havent lost yet either We'll see next week if they beat Tennessee and a few weeks later LSU.

Rankings:

As for the rankings, USC lost 1 first place vote. Thats it. ND remains at #9; definitely some respect given there for such a good game.

1. USC (57) 6-0 1,617
2. Texas (8) 6-0 1,566
3. Virginia Tech 6-0 1,495
4. Georgia 6-0 1,426
5. Alabama 6-0 1,306
6. Miami 5-1 1,278
7. LSU 4-1 1,201
8. UCLA 6-0 1,085
9. Notre Dame 4-2 1,020
10. Texas Tech 6-0 1,007
11. Florida State 5-1 1,003
12. Penn State 6-1 854
13. Boston College 6-1 809
14. Ohio State 4-2 798
15. Oregon 6-1 665
16. Auburn 5-1 644
17. Tennessee 3-2 581
18. Florida 5-2 575
19. Wisconsin 6-1 549
20. West Virginia 6-1 379
21. TCU 6-1 249
22. Michigan State 4-2 223
23. Virginia 4-2 161
24. Fresno State 4-1 100
25. California 5-2 89

Jealousy, no, not at all. Just tired of reading your posts saying how Florida State and Miami are over-rated and Bama is supposed to be gods gift, maybe your jealous that FS and Miami consistantly have contending teams while Bama comes around every now and then. How can I not complain about penalties? Well over 100 yards of mostly undeserved penalties that F.S. is just supposed to eat? Your thought process on how Virginia was beaten by Maryland and Boston College is off too. In case you forgot, we beat Boston College and will undoubtebly beat Maryland in Tallahassee. No one really expected as much out of F.S. this year anyway, but thats not to say they arent a top 10 team. F.S. is VERY young but overflowing with talent.

[z28man]

Originally Posted by mtruther

To be fair to Virginia (and thus Florida State), they led Boston College for over a half and had Maryland down for 3 quarters. It's not as if they weren't ever in those games.

Virginia is a quality team, but one that has to have all its motors firing full throttle to take down a top team. It just so happened that Hagans brought everything he had against Florida State.

And don't ever accuse me of being a Florida State fan... I really dislike them, but they deserve the respect to at least be disliked. Those 3 interceptions pretty much cooked them.

True, Virginia is a tough team when firing on all cylinders. Hagans had what was probably the game of his life. FS had a serious melt down last night.

[LakeMountD]

Originally Posted by Bean

I have no clue why Florida state is ranked so high... its like the old bias for Notre Dame back in the 80s and early 90s... Florida state beat Miami in the first game... barely... with stupidly sloppy play from both teams. This is why strength of schedule should have something to do with the AP poll... I'm tired of teams like the Seminoles and Hurricanes getting ranked so high with subpar performances.
Granted they both have had great teams in the past (in the last few years even)... but face it... Miami SUCKED last year and they arent much better this year either... and Florida State isnt much better IMO....

You may consider my opinion to be a bit biased but youre completely wrong in this statement. You say we had a sloppy game against Miami and your totally right. But it was on the offensive side of the ball. Our QB's first game ever against a huge rival team. Our defense was ranked 6th in the nation against the run and was doing pretty damn well against the pass. Offenses don't win championships usually. And Drew has done a DAMN GOOD job over the last few games I don't care what anyone says. He has put up on average 3 touchdowns per game. The problem in the Virginia game was the fact that our ingenious offensive coordinator J Bowden decided he wanted our Freshman quarterback to have 60 pass attempts! Booker and Washington are complete studs as Booker has shown having two 65 yard touchdown runs in the last two games.