Palmeiro to be suspended for steroids; denies use

**D_town** · 08-01-2005, 01:38 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2121659

Too bad we won't ever find out what he was taking- it doesn't matter, i'm just curious.

natedogg · 08-01-2005, 01:47 PM

Definately watching Outside the Lines tonight. This is really ****ed. I believed this guy the most during the Steroid hearings too. Maybe he should be a politician, he's a pretty good liar. I'm starting to think Canseco was telling the the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

**CEDeoudes59** · 08-01-2005, 04:15 PM

Nate - read Canseco's book. He was portrayed by the media as a complete 'meathead' bitter ******* and liar. But he does a lot of stuff for charities, kids, and Cuba. He is absolutely no frat boy juicehead - he's very smart. He put together his first cycle at age 20, with powders and all. I believe he was/is any other kid our age checking out these boards.

(That's my plug, because most people don't want to give 'that *******' Canseco a dime.)

I'm definitely watching OTL tonight.

Growing up in Maryland, we loved Raffy - now he'll most certainly be banned from the Hall of Fame. He does a lot in the community and is a nice guy. I hope our fans get behind him 100% like the Giants' faithful did for Barry.

Today, a good man and legacy will be destroyed.

now Palmeiro is suspended for 10 days, loses over 100,000$ - but wouldn't I goto jail if this happened...?

**D_town** · 08-01-2005, 04:21 PM

We'll have to see how this pans out. It, being 'the steroid generation" of baseball, could mean that the HOF could still be in his future. His numbers are definatley there.

Nothing wrong with optimism, is there?

**CEDeoudes59** · 08-01-2005, 04:24 PM

all my friends from Washington DC guarantee no hall of fame, I am trying to be optimistic. Baseball will likely stick it to Palmeiro to make a statement. He is not a 'popular' player. Never an all-star starter (voted for by the fans) - I believe the fans (outside of baltimore and texas) and the media will throw Palmeiro to the dogs while Biden and McCain toast.

**CEDeoudes59** · 08-01-2005, 04:29 PM

Canseco's message isn't who did this, who did that (although that sold a lot of books). His message is HGH and AAS are the future. And the future is now, it doesn't matter what the government does. His career is simply the proof of it. He talks about turning 40 feeling like he's 20.

a quote from the book goes something like this: "we have choices in life, I have the choice to not look or feel like i'm headed to a nursing home at age 40."

maybe I'm just buying the propaganda (or maybe I'm being paid to help him sell books) but I beleive almost every word he says, minus how fast he said he was after 2 back surgeries.

DieTrying · 08-01-2005, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59

maybe I'm just buying the propaganda (or maybe I'm being paid to help him sell books) but I beleive almost every word he says.

Agreed

**size** · 08-01-2005, 06:51 PM

I find it hard to believe that he would have knowingly and willing used any banned substance due to the current situation in mlb. If he knowingly did, then he is a moron.

**size** · 08-01-2005, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59

He is absolutely no frat boy juicehead - he's very smart.

I found this comical.

natedogg · 08-01-2005, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by size

I found this comical.

What, you haven't heard? Canseco has been a member of MENSA for quite some time now.

**CEDeoudes59** · 08-01-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by size

I found this comical.

calls himself 'the Godfather' of steroids. and the "chemist". To his degree of knowledge i'm not entirely sure - but he definitely chemically made his career hitting homeruns and stealing bases. What was he doing that the guys (all-power, no speed) today aren't doing?

the media fabricated image of Canseco was/is wrong.

**CEDeoudes59** · 08-01-2005, 08:34 PM

gotta read the book size

might change your mind

**size** · 08-01-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59

gotta read the book size

might change your mind

2 questions:
1. Have you heard him speak?
2. Do you think he actually wrote the book?

**CEDeoudes59** · 08-01-2005, 10:30 PM

yes and yes (with help from editors)

I ask you the same question - have you read it?

i dont think either of us are going to change our mind here. i think we'll have to agree to disagree

DieTrying · 08-01-2005, 10:41 PM

I'm on Canseco's side. What he did was dirty, but I don't think he was lying one bit. I pretty much belive what he says about players, drugs, etc. Look at the list of players he has named and their track record...

Giambi..admitted to it
Bonds...

McGwire...choked up like a ***** in front of Congress (GUILTY)
Palmeiro..busted
Pudge Rodriguez...surprisingly comes to camp 20 lbs lighter than ever before by 'cleaning up his diet'
Bret Boone and Sammy Sosa....looking and playing amazingly different this year for some reason

**size** · 08-01-2005, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59

I ask you the same question - have you read it?
i we'll have to agree to disagree

No. I have never read it(I read nerd books) but I imagine like many, he orally recounted stories while others compiled them. I have heard him speak and I did not hear anything that would lead me to conclude that he is "very smart". However, it really is not important to the issue, I just thought it was funny.

We can disagree, I promise I will not be sad.

**kwyckemynd00** · 08-01-2005, 10:43 PM

JC doesn't speak very well at all....LOL.

He may be smart, who knows??? But, I believe at least most of what he says.

natedogg · 08-01-2005, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DieTrying

I'm on Canseco's side. What he did was dirty, but I don't think he was lying one bit. I pretty much belive what he says about players, drugs, etc. Look at the list of players he has named and their track record...

Giambi..admitted to it
Bonds...

McGwire...choked up like a ***** in front of Congress (GUILTY)
Palmeiro..busted
Pudge Rodriguez...surprisingly comes to camp 20 lbs lighter than ever before by 'cleaning up his diet'
Bret Boone and Sammy Sosa....looking and playing amazingly different this year for some reason

I agree with all of this, except when it comes to Bonds. He doesn't juice, he thought it was flax seed oil he was taking. Hey, did you hear, he's sitting out the rest of the year.