Randy Moss or Terell Owens

**Yukon Cornelius** · 05-14-2005, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59

It's because Owens was God (after his breakout year), then proceded to get his coach fired and called Jeff Garcia a 'faggot' on his website. Next, he refuses to play for Baltimore (for good reason i suppose) the public starts hating him. He shows up in Philly and starts winning (regardless of the MNF commercial) - people like him again. But now, he calls out his quarterback and asks for a new contract by saying 'i need to feed my family'. Owens reminds people again of familar antics in San Fran and why they hated him the first place.

I'm not blaming him for chasing the money, but I'm sure his family isn't hurting for money.

Funny how when the Eagles got him, nobody cared about that. When he was cathcing TD's for most of the season, nobody cared about that. When he went through rehab and played in a game where he shouldn't have been on the field, nobody cared about that.

Now that its offseason and wants to actually make more than $3.15 million this year (1/3 of what Harrison will make) everyone cares about what happened 3-4 years ago with arguably the worst front office in the league (admitted by NUMEROUS players).

If I were a player I wouild hate fans attitudes at well. THey are more fickle than women and think they know more about the business end than the agents.

Did any of you boo Mcnabb when he was drafted?

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"As for Terrell Owens, I truly doesn't believe hes a top 5 reciever anymore."

I don't want to hear any of you praise him when Andy Reid has to wear spandex this year.

**Iron Warrior** · 05-14-2005, 02:11 AM

Back to the TO vs. Moss sage. TO is the guy I'd rather have despite his *****ing about Mariucci and Garcia (the same guy who completed 20 passes to him in one game BTW).

1) TO will be more consistent and play his ass off for the team, hurt or not while Moss will walk off the field if he feels like it.
2) TO is a deep threat, not the same deep threat as Moss but still a very dangerous deep threat. I don't know how some people believe he is only a possession receiver, that's Keyshawn folks.
3) TO will block, thus boosting your team's ability to break a sweep for a long gain, and nothing tires a D-Line like running sweeps all day long. Moss even admits to taking plays off.
4) IF Moss loses a step then he will become an ordinary receiver because he will not be able to break tackles and get YAC.

THE MONEY ISSUE: It does suck as fan to watch these guys ***** over the difference between 45 mill and 60 mill. If you don't like it than don't buy tickets or merchandise because that's why they demand so much money. To most of us there is no huge difference but I realize these guys (NFL'ers) DON'T HAVE GUARANTEED CONTRACTS like baseball players. TO needs to realize that by sitting out training camp he will get fined, get no new contract, get in a worse situation with his teammates, and motivate a fan to kill him LOL.

**Yukon Cornelius** · 05-14-2005, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Iron Warrior

THE MONEY ISSUE: It does suck as fan to watch these guys ***** over the difference between 45 mill and 60 mill. If you don't like it than don't buy tickets or merchandise because that's why they demand so much money. To most of us there is no huge difference but I realize these guys (NFL'ers) DON'T HAVE GUARANTEED CONTRACTS like baseball players. TO needs to realize that by sitting out training camp he will get fined, get no new contract, get in a worse situation with his teammates, and motivate a fan to kill him LOL.

LOL....Right on!

There is no guaranteed money! Every NFL player is told from day 1 to get as much as you can get NOW! As I said before, the players aren't the problem, its the business that forces them to act this way.

**Iron Warrior** · 05-14-2005, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

LOL....Right on!

There is no guaranteed money! Every NFL player is told from day 1 to get as much as you can get NOW! As I said before, the players aren't the problem, its the business that forces them to act this way.

Which is why he hired Rosenhaus and fired the Joseph, whom frankly should have been fired for scrweing up paperwork last year that almost had him playing for the Ravens.

**Yukon Cornelius** · 05-14-2005, 02:43 AM

It also forced him a bit into the contract he has now. He could have got a better contract and probably more money if he went directly into free agency. THat is the pay day all these athletes look for. ITs there chance to really bring in the dough and it was bascially erased by his former agent.

**EEmain** · 05-14-2005, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

Leverage? How about an MVP type season. HOw about coming back from a broken leg. How about actually doing this now to set up what he will get in the future? If the Eagles won't pay him, someone else will!!!! He has all the leverage in the world! Check out how many star athletes have held out and how many got their money! Almost ALL of them!

Actually they almost do make $10mil/year. Harrison's deal is 7 year, $67 million.

Owens made almost 9 million last year including bonus. This year he will make $3.15 million. Next year he is to recieve a $5 million roster bonus and a 2.5million option with a base salary of $770,000. The kicker is that the Eagles can cut him after this year and not pay him $7.5 million in bonues.

"The reasoning Rosenhaus says wants a new deal is that he says the Eagles can use Owens this year at a low rate and then cut him before having to pay him the large roster bonus he would be due in 2006."

He wants a larger base salary wihch is EVERY players RIGHT. He is protecting his OWN ASS! Consdiering the fact that his ankle and leg might never be 100% again he is trying to get what he can NOW. He isn't a spring chicken and WR don't last too long after 30.

Looking at the contract and the way its set up, he has a very valid point. There is a reason why players have agents and considering what his last agent did (and cost him) hiring Rosenhaus is a good move for him. He could of recieved a LOT more if he directly went into free angency last year.

I just love how everyone is an expert with other people's money.

We will never agree here... My bet says he sits untill he complys... TO and Rosenhaus what a matched pair... If he played and caught 14TD again do you really believe that he would be cut...

**EEmain** · 05-14-2005, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

Funny how when the Eagles got him, nobody cared about that. When he was cathcing TD's for most of the season, nobody cared about that. When he went through rehab and played in a game where he shouldn't have been on the field, nobody cared about that.

Now that its offseason and wants to actually make more than $3.15 million this year (1/3 of what Harrison will make) everyone cares about what happened 3-4 years ago with arguably the worst front office in the league (admitted by NUMEROUS players).

If I were a player I wouild hate fans attitudes at well. THey are more fickle than women and think they know more about the business end than the agents.

Did any of you boo Mcnabb when he was drafted?

You quoted:

"As for Terrell Owens, I truly doesn't believe hes a top 5 reciever anymore."

I don't want to hear any of you praise him when Andy Reid has to wear spandex this year.

Harrison gets 22mill in the first 3 years... TO will get 20.68 mill in the first 3 years... Do you really believe if he catches 14TD`s this year the Birds cut him... well maybe now they will...

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"The Eagles structured the deal in such a way that instead of giving him a large signing bonus, they gave Owens a very large roster bonus which can not be spread out over the length of the contract or the five-year limit now in effect in the NFL," the official said. "The Eagles considered it a market-value roster bonus for a Pro Bowl receiver combined with a signing bonus made it a really generous, nice signing bonus that makes them pay (big) in the third year. It is structured in a way that they have to pay him a lot. They have him for two then they have to pay him again in the third year. He doesn’t like that now."

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In 2004, the official - who has access to the actual contract - said Owens received a $6.2 million roster bonus, a $2.3 signing bonus and $660,000 in base salary for a total of $9.16 million. In 2005 he is scheduled to make a salary of $3.25 million. In 2006 Owens is scheduled to collect a $5 million roster bonus, a base salary of $770,000 and a $2.5 million option that will make the deal for that year worth $8.27 million.

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The total value of the first three years of his contract is $20.68 million. Since he signed the deal The Indianapolis Colts inked their star receiver, Marvin Harrison to a seven-year deal worth a reported $67 million with $22 coming in the first three years.The former Roman Catholic star is scheduled to receive a $10 million roster bonus in year two.

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"I don’t think there is anything in that deal that takes advantage of the player in anyway," the official said. "When you analyze deals you look at the guaranteed money which is the signing bonus, roster bonus…you look at the first three years and then you might look at the overall average of the deal. But it’s the first three years which is key. There is only one deal which is better than the Terrell Owens deal in the first three years and that’s Marvin Harrison. And it was done after (Owens’ deal) was done. So what does he want?"

http://www.footballstories.com/artic....asp?ArtID=276

natedogg · 05-14-2005, 10:51 AM

No one doubts TO's abilities. But a contract is a contract. He has NO leg to stand on. If the owner doesn't want to give in, then too bad TO. He's just drawing more negative attention to himself. I still can't get over the "feed my family" comments. That **** cracks me up everytime.

**Yukon Cornelius** · 05-14-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by EEmain

Harrison gets 22mill in the first 3 years... TO will get 20.68 mill in the first 3 years... Do you really believe if he catches 14TD`s this year the Birds cut him... well maybe now they will...

http://www.footballstories.com/artic....asp?ArtID=276

Harrison's money for the most part is guaranteed. Owens money is not considering he already had one career threatening injury. They can void almost 7.5 million of that if they choose too.

I would want it changed if I were Owens.

**Yukon Cornelius** · 05-14-2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by natedogg

No one doubts TO's abilities. But a contract is a contract. He has NO leg to stand on. If the owner doesn't want to give in, then too bad TO. He's just drawing more negative attention to himself. I still can't get over the "feed my family" comments. That **** cracks me up everytime.

A contract is a contract? Give me a break. A contract means **** all in professional sports.

If he doens't want to give in, then he will get out of the contract VERY easily. You think the EAgles are going to pay a guy that much, take up salary cap room for a guy who doens't want to be there? Wake up and smell the concrete.

You guys need to stop looking at it from a fan perspective (fantasy land) and start looking at the reality of the situation. You guys got your heads buried in the sand.

**Yukon Cornelius** · 05-14-2005, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EEmain

We will never agree here... My bet says he sits untill he complys... TO and Rosenhaus what a matched pair... If he played and caught 14TD again do you really believe that he would be cut...

I bet you a million dollars you would change your tune and he would be God again.

I judge the guy for what he does on the field, not because he wants more money.

Oh what an evil thing!!!!! Shame on Owens for wanting more money!!!

**Yukon Cornelius** · 05-14-2005, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EEmain

Harrison gets 22mill in the first 3 years... TO will get 20.68 mill in the first 3 years... Do you really believe if he catches 14TD`s this year the Birds cut him... well maybe now they will...

Are you kidding me? To save 7.5 million for a player who MIGHT have only one good leg you damn right they will. Wonder if doens't come back from his injury this year? Wonder if he is about 75% of what he was? You think the Eagles are going to pay out those options? Why do you tihnk they didn't sign Douglas 3 years ago? Bad knee and it showed after he signed that large contract with Jacksonville. When it comes to inuries the Eagles shy away everytime. They have a history of it. If I am the player I get what I can NOW. I look at the league and see how many recievers stay at a pro bowl level after they turn 30. How do the Eagles treat older players? They dump them no matter who you are.

Its a smart business move all the way around and the only reason you don't see it is because it goes against your beloved Eagles. You emotions get in the way of good business practice. You don't leave 7.5 million in doubt when it comes to the NFL. You get what you can get now. Mcnabb did it, Staley did it, Trottier did it, they all do it......

Did you hate Staley when he held out?

Fans don't see it because they are jealous of the fact they don't make 7 million a year.

**EEmain** · 05-14-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

I bet you a million dollars you would change your tune and he would be God again.

I judge the guy for what he does on the field, not because he wants more money.

Oh what an evil thing!!!!! Shame on Owens for wanting more money!!!

I already said I would be back on board...