Randy Moss or Terell Owens

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
    It's because Owens was God (after his breakout year), then proceded to get his coach fired and called Jeff Garcia a '***got' on his website. Next, he refuses to play for Baltimore (for good reason i suppose) the public starts hating him. He shows up in Philly and starts winning (regardless of the MNF commercial) - people like him again. But now, he calls out his quarterback and asks for a new contract by saying 'i need to feed my family'. Owens reminds people again of familar antics in San Fran and why they hated him the first place.

    I'm not blaming him for chasing the money, but I'm sure his family isn't hurting for money.
    Funny how when the Eagles got him, nobody cared about that. When he was cathcing TD's for most of the season, nobody cared about that. When he went through rehab and played in a game where he shouldn't have been on the field, nobody cared about that.

    Now that its offseason and wants to actually make more than $3.15 million this year (1/3 of what Harrison will make) everyone cares about what happened 3-4 years ago with arguably the worst front office in the league (admitted by NUMEROUS players).

    If I were a player I wouild hate fans attitudes at well. THey are more fickle than women and think they know more about the business end than the agents.

    Did any of you boo Mcnabb when he was drafted?


    You quoted:

    "As for Terrell Owens, I truly doesn't believe hes a top 5 reciever anymore."

    I don't want to hear any of you praise him when Andy Reid has to wear spandex this year.
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  2. Back to the TO vs. Moss sage. TO is the guy I'd rather have despite his bitching about Mariucci and Garcia (the same guy who completed 20 passes to him in one game BTW).

    1) TO will be more consistent and play his ass off for the team, hurt or not while Moss will walk off the field if he feels like it.
    2) TO is a deep threat, not the same deep threat as Moss but still a very dangerous deep threat. I don't know how some people believe he is only a possession receiver, that's Keyshawn folks.
    3) TO will block, thus boosting your team's ability to break a sweep for a long gain, and nothing tires a D-Line like running sweeps all day long. Moss even admits to taking plays off.
    4) IF Moss loses a step then he will become an ordinary receiver because he will not be able to break tackles and get YAC.

    THE MONEY ISSUE: It does suck as fan to watch these guys bitch over the difference between 45 mill and 60 mill. If you don't like it than don't buy tickets or merchandise because that's why they demand so much money. To most of us there is no huge difference but I realize these guys (NFL'ers) DON'T HAVE GUARANTEED CONTRACTS like baseball players. TO needs to realize that by sitting out training camp he will get fined, get no new contract, get in a worse situation with his teammates, and motivate a fan to kill him LOL.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Iron Warrior

    THE MONEY ISSUE: It does suck as fan to watch these guys bitch over the difference between 45 mill and 60 mill. If you don't like it than don't buy tickets or merchandise because that's why they demand so much money. To most of us there is no huge difference but I realize these guys (NFL'ers) DON'T HAVE GUARANTEED CONTRACTS like baseball players. TO needs to realize that by sitting out training camp he will get fined, get no new contract, get in a worse situation with his teammates, and motivate a fan to kill him LOL.
    LOL....Right on!

    There is no guaranteed money! Every NFL player is told from day 1 to get as much as you can get NOW! As I said before, the players aren't the problem, its the business that forces them to act this way.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    LOL....Right on!

    There is no guaranteed money! Every NFL player is told from day 1 to get as much as you can get NOW! As I said before, the players aren't the problem, its the business that forces them to act this way.
    Which is why he hired Rosenhaus and fired the Joseph, whom frankly should have been fired for scrweing up paperwork last year that almost had him playing for the Ravens.

  5. It also forced him a bit into the contract he has now. He could have got a better contract and probably more money if he went directly into free agency. THat is the pay day all these athletes look for. ITs there chance to really bring in the dough and it was bascially erased by his former agent.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Leverage? How about an MVP type season. HOw about coming back from a broken leg. How about actually doing this now to set up what he will get in the future? If the Eagles won't pay him, someone else will!!!! He has all the leverage in the world! Check out how many star athletes have held out and how many got their money! Almost ALL of them!

    Actually they almost do make $10mil/year. Harrison's deal is 7 year, $67 million.

    Owens made almost 9 million last year including bonus. This year he will make $3.15 million. Next year he is to recieve a $5 million roster bonus and a 2.5million option with a base salary of $770,000. The kicker is that the Eagles can cut him after this year and not pay him $7.5 million in bonues.

    "The reasoning Rosenhaus says wants a new deal is that he says the Eagles can use Owens this year at a low rate and then cut him before having to pay him the large roster bonus he would be due in 2006."

    He wants a larger base salary wihch is EVERY players RIGHT. He is protecting his OWN ASS! Consdiering the fact that his ankle and leg might never be 100% again he is trying to get what he can NOW. He isn't a spring chicken and WR don't last too long after 30.

    Looking at the contract and the way its set up, he has a very valid point. There is a reason why players have agents and considering what his last agent did (and cost him) hiring Rosenhaus is a good move for him. He could of recieved a LOT more if he directly went into free angency last year.


    I just love how everyone is an expert with other people's money.
    We will never agree here... My bet says he sits untill he complys... TO and Rosenhaus what a matched pair... If he played and caught 14TD again do you really believe that he would be cut...

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Funny how when the Eagles got him, nobody cared about that. When he was cathcing TD's for most of the season, nobody cared about that. When he went through rehab and played in a game where he shouldn't have been on the field, nobody cared about that.

    Now that its offseason and wants to actually make more than $3.15 million this year (1/3 of what Harrison will make) everyone cares about what happened 3-4 years ago with arguably the worst front office in the league (admitted by NUMEROUS players).

    If I were a player I wouild hate fans attitudes at well. THey are more fickle than women and think they know more about the business end than the agents.

    Did any of you boo Mcnabb when he was drafted?


    You quoted:

    "As for Terrell Owens, I truly doesn't believe hes a top 5 reciever anymore."

    I don't want to hear any of you praise him when Andy Reid has to wear spandex this year.
    Harrison gets 22mill in the first 3 years... TO will get 20.68 mill in the first 3 years... Do you really believe if he catches 14TD`s this year the Birds cut him... well maybe now they will...

    "The Eagles structured the deal in such a way that instead of giving him a large signing bonus, they gave Owens a very large roster bonus which can not be spread out over the length of the contract or the five-year limit now in effect in the NFL," the official said. "The Eagles considered it a market-value roster bonus for a Pro Bowl receiver combined with a signing bonus made it a really generous, nice signing bonus that makes them pay (big) in the third year. It is structured in a way that they have to pay him a lot. They have him for two then they have to pay him again in the third year. He doesn’t like that now."
    In 2004, the official - who has access to the actual contract - said Owens received a $6.2 million roster bonus, a $2.3 signing bonus and $660,000 in base salary for a total of $9.16 million. In 2005 he is scheduled to make a salary of $3.25 million. In 2006 Owens is scheduled to collect a $5 million roster bonus, a base salary of $770,000 and a $2.5 million option that will make the deal for that year worth $8.27 million.
    The total value of the first three years of his contract is $20.68 million. Since he signed the deal The Indianapolis Colts inked their star receiver, Marvin Harrison to a seven-year deal worth a reported $67 million with $22 coming in the first three years.The former Roman Catholic star is scheduled to receive a $10 million roster bonus in year two.
    "I don’t think there is anything in that deal that takes advantage of the player in anyway," the official said. "When you analyze deals you look at the guaranteed money which is the signing bonus, roster bonus…you look at the first three years and then you might look at the overall average of the deal. But it’s the first three years which is key. There is only one deal which is better than the Terrell Owens deal in the first three years and that’s Marvin Harrison. And it was done after (Owens’ deal) was done. So what does he want?"
    http://www.footballstories.com/artic....asp?ArtID=276
    Last edited by EEmain; 05-14-2005 at 11:10 AM. Reason: Give links

  8. No one doubts TO's abilities. But a contract is a contract. He has NO leg to stand on. If the owner doesn't want to give in, then too bad TO. He's just drawing more negative attention to himself. I still can't get over the "feed my family" comments. That **** cracks me up everytime.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by EEmain
    Harrison gets 22mill in the first 3 years... TO will get 20.68 mill in the first 3 years... Do you really believe if he catches 14TD`s this year the Birds cut him... well maybe now they will...



    http://www.footballstories.com/artic....asp?ArtID=276


    Harrison's money for the most part is guaranteed. Owens money is not considering he already had one career threatening injury. They can void almost 7.5 million of that if they choose too.

    I would want it changed if I were Owens.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by natedogg
    No one doubts TO's abilities. But a contract is a contract. He has NO leg to stand on. If the owner doesn't want to give in, then too bad TO. He's just drawing more negative attention to himself. I still can't get over the "feed my family" comments. That **** cracks me up everytime.
    A contract is a contract? Give me a break. A contract means **** all in professional sports.

    If he doens't want to give in, then he will get out of the contract VERY easily. You think the EAgles are going to pay a guy that much, take up salary cap room for a guy who doens't want to be there? Wake up and smell the concrete.



    You guys need to stop looking at it from a fan perspective (fantasy land) and start looking at the reality of the situation. You guys got your heads buried in the sand.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by EEmain
    We will never agree here... My bet says he sits untill he complys... TO and Rosenhaus what a matched pair... If he played and caught 14TD again do you really believe that he would be cut...
    I bet you a million dollars you would change your tune and he would be God again.

    I judge the guy for what he does on the field, not because he wants more money.


    Oh what an evil thing!!!!! Shame on Owens for wanting more money!!!



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  12. Quote Originally Posted by EEmain
    Harrison gets 22mill in the first 3 years... TO will get 20.68 mill in the first 3 years... Do you really believe if he catches 14TD`s this year the Birds cut him... well maybe now they will...
    Are you kidding me? To save 7.5 million for a player who MIGHT have only one good leg you damn right they will. Wonder if doens't come back from his injury this year? Wonder if he is about 75% of what he was? You think the Eagles are going to pay out those options? Why do you tihnk they didn't sign Douglas 3 years ago? Bad knee and it showed after he signed that large contract with Jacksonville. When it comes to inuries the Eagles shy away everytime. They have a history of it. If I am the player I get what I can NOW. I look at the league and see how many recievers stay at a pro bowl level after they turn 30. How do the Eagles treat older players? They dump them no matter who you are.


    Its a smart business move all the way around and the only reason you don't see it is because it goes against your beloved Eagles. You emotions get in the way of good business practice. You don't leave 7.5 million in doubt when it comes to the NFL. You get what you can get now. Mcnabb did it, Staley did it, Trottier did it, they all do it......

    Did you hate Staley when he held out?


    Fans don't see it because they are jealous of the fact they don't make 7 million a year.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    I bet you a million dollars you would change your tune and he would be God again.

    I judge the guy for what he does on the field, not because he wants more money.


    Oh what an evil thing!!!!! Shame on Owens for wanting more money!!!



    I already said I would be back on board...

  14. Quote Originally Posted by EEmain
    I already said I would be back on board...
    You're killing me, you're just KILLIN ME!



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  15. Forget it your right.. everytime he wants money give it to him... maybe next time he will want a piece of the team...

  16. Techinally he can't since he's a player.
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  17. [QUOTE=Bobo]
    Did you hate Staley when he held out?

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    Staley didn`t open his mouth just to change feet...

  18. [QUOTE=EEmain][QUOTE=Bobo]
    Did you hate Staley when he held out?


    Staley didn`t open his mouth just to change feet...

    No he just didn't report for training camp and as a result was useless for 1/4 of the season. What a team guy!!! Last time I chekd, Owens hasn't skipped training camp but in your eyes he's held out for the season already.

    Go ahead and hate Owens. Its funny that you hate him now yet will hop on board when he actually peforms. Shows what kind of rational arguement you have.



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  19. No Reid sat him for how long? And when he did start what did he do?

    96 carries for 463yds 4.8per 5 TD`s
    36 catches for 382yds 10.6per 2Td`s

    And that was with a 3 back split....

  20. So now you are saying since they guy performed well, its ok for him to sit out trianing camp. So he is a team guy because he actually did what he was supposed to do.

    Ok, I get it now.


    And Reid sat him because he wans't in game shape. Duce stated it himself. That is what happens when you skip all of training camp.
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  21. Duce skipped training camp for more money when he had a contract. He does well when he playes so he is a team guy (even though he left the next year for more money).

    Owens hasn't skipped training camp, put up MVP numbers last year and he is the devil because he wants more money.


    That makes sense.
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  22. No you are saying this.. along with your OOO so rational.. I did my job now give me more money
    because someone else got a raise so I deserve more and the next time I will want more and maybe I got hurt
    so give me more and my money isn`t gaureenteed so give me more and I am the best at my posittion so give me more
    and the fact that I have a contract menas nothing so give me more and welll just give me more..

  23. Yeah, its called business in professional sports. Its rational because that is how it works in REALITY. You arguemnt has so many twists, turns and inconsistencies because its going against your beloved Eagles therefore anythinh that goes against your beloved Eagles (which come before God and family) is wrong. Rationality? I think not. Emotional blindness? Definetly.
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  24. Anyhow TO won`t get any more I will bet that million on that

    No I don`t hate TO.. He is a hwll of a Football player.. but yes I do feel he should honor his contract and there is no way
    the Birds cut him if he puts up the same numbers this year.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Yeah, its called business in professional sports. Its rational because that is how it works in REALITY. You arguemnt has so many twists, turns and inconsistencies because its going against your beloved Eagles therefore anythinh that goes against your beloved Eagles (which come before God and family) is wrong. Rationality? I think not. Emotional blindness? Definetly.
    Sorry man I am not blind and the emotion here is that YOU not me think TO is GOD... To me he is just a football player for my favoriyte team, a hell of a good one.. but stll only one player..

  26. The Birds will be back in the Super with or without TO.. without BWes think not...

  27. If he puts up the same numbers, no they won't. But the point is nobody knows and as a player I don't risk $7.5 million dollars on chance. I try to get as much as I can guaranteed because I am one play away from ending my career in this sport. It almost happened to him last year. That is the business and that is the reality. Hate it all you want but it will never go away and it will never change unless they get guaranteed money like other sports.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by EEmain
    Sorry man I am not blind and the emotion here is that YOU not me think TO is GOD... To me he is just a football player for my favoriyte team, a hell of a good one.. but stll only one player..
    OMG...you are trully out of your mind. I don't think he is God at all, I tihnk he is protecting his ass.

    You are the one hopping on every bandwagon out there. TO scores TD's, you love him. TO ask for more money, you bash him. TO scores more TD's you love him again.

    Emotional BLINDNESS! The epitome of it.

    I'm not emotional at all. I look at the reality of the situation. Something you should do more often instead of putting your team above God and family.
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  29. The reality is he has a contract that pays him fair market value.. and he has the right to not honor it... As the Eagles have the right not to pay him...

    He also has the right to "Open his mouth to change feet." and I have the right to not like it... seeing as how the tickets and jerseys and caps ect I buy help pay him really well to play... not to mention my tax dollars helped pay for the stadium he plays in...

  30. [QUOTE=Bobo]OMG...you are trully out of your mind. I don't think he is God at all, I tihnk he is protecting his ass.

    QUOTE]

    I have been told this more than once...
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