[Iron Warrior]

Who would you say is the best player available in this draft ? Who are the safe picks ? Who can have the quickest impact ?
sleepers or bargain picks ? Feel free to add whatever else you want.

* Best player in this draft IMO is Braylon Edwards. He's very polished, makes plays for his team when they need him. He is increduble at fighting for the ball in the air with corners draped on him. Excellent route runner. He gets many TD's in the red zone and had like 97 catches and 1350 yds in a sometiumes conservative Michigan system. Antrel Rolle, Derrick Johnson and Mike Williams are up there with him IMO.

* Quickest impact IMO is Cedric Benson because he'll likely end up in Chicago where they'll feed him the ball 25 times a game. Has shown he can be productive but may just need to work on his pass blocking and receiving skills. Ronnie Brown is a close second. It's also easier for a RB to have the quickest impact on a team because of the importance of this position and they normally don't take 2-3 years to develop like a QB.

* I think Ryan Moats is gonna be a bargain pick, he's 5-9 205 but the guy is pretty damm good, can be another Curtis Martin given the right opportunity, maybe Denver will take him LOL. I don't know why Pollack and Erasmus James has fallen so low on many people's board, but these guys are playmakers

[size]

Matt Jones and Mike Williams are the best 2 in my opinion. Out of the top RB's I like Brown the best. I am a big fan of Ryan Moats. Check out some of the old college threads where i talked about him. He is going to be a good player; it is unfortunate that so few people seem to know about him. Another RB that is not getting any talk is Sproles from K.State. I think he could be a good little back.

[natedogg]

I'm just worried that the 49ers will end up getting a busted QB in either Smith or Rodgers.

[Iron Warrior]

The thing about Sproles is his size, the GM's just aren't gonna draft anyone his size until the 4th round best case scenario. And Moats is a shock to me, Mel Kiper doesn't even acknowledge the guy, but he is incredible at finding gaps and cutting back against defenses when I got to see him.

I also forgot about Adrian McPherson, does anyone think he's worth a risk in the 2nd round ?

[LCSULLA]

Originally Posted by size

Matt Jones and Mike Williams are the best 2 in my opinion. Out of the top RB's I like Brown the best. I am a big fan of Ryan Moats. Check out some of the old college threads where i talked about him. He is going to be a good player; it is unfortunate that so few people seem to know about him. Another RB that is not getting any talk is Sproles from K.State. I think he could be a good little back.

Matt Jones. His numbers are just sick. And I read that he only dropped on pass in the Senior Bowl. If he works hard he'll be a beast in the NFL. I also like Williams from USC, good combine numbers but he's a gamer.

[Iron Warrior]

Originally Posted by natedogg

I'm just worried that the 49ers will end up getting a busted QB in either Smith or Rodgers.

Yes unfortunately that ass-clown is likely gonna go with Alex Smith. I'd go with Edwards or Williams. Maybe even trade down and get Shawn Merriman, he'd be awesome in their new 3-4 scheme along with Andre Carter, Julian Peterson and Bryant Young playing nose tackle.

Could even trade down a little and go with Antrel Rolle. The way Arizona, Seattle and St.Louis are built we need 3 solid CB's and I don't like Rumph at CB, but he'd be a good Free Safety

I think they can wait 'til the second round and still get a decent QB like Jason Campbell

[size]

Originally Posted by Iron Warrior

The thing about Sproles is his size, the GM's just aren't gonna draft anyone his size until the 4th round best case scenario. And Moats is a shock to me, Mel Kiper doesn't even acknowledge the guy, but he is incredible at finding gaps and cutting back against defenses when I got to see him.

I agree with you on all of this. Sproles is just too small, but he can run and I think will help a team. About Moats, I just can't understand why no one seems interested in this guy. He is a wonderful player but I guess since he went to LaTech he gets no respect. I honestly think he is better than Benson.

Originally Posted by Iron Warrior

I think they can wait 'til the second round and still get a decent QB like Jason Campbell

I am not sold on Campbell at all. First, the guy does not seem to smart, he scored, I think, a 14 and a 28 on the Wonderlic test. One could beat a 14 with random guessing. Also, every team that Auburn played was more concerned with the combo of Brown and Williams out of the back field. I think those 2 made Campbell look much better than he is.
Here is a sample Wonderlic test. It is incredibly easy so it should give you an idea as to how bad a 14 is. http://www.pressanykey.com/cgi-bin/c.../wonderlic.cgi

[size]

Originally Posted by LCSULLA

Matt Jones. His numbers are just sick. And I read that he only dropped on pass in the Senior Bowl. If he works hard he'll be a beast in the NFL. I also like Williams from USC, good combine numbers but he's a gamer.

Jones is simply unbelievable. His 40 time is the same as Vick yet he is 6'6". Any team that lands him is getting a great player. I am just excited to see him play. If you ever get a chance to see some old Arkansas games with him, then watch them. he would stand in the pocket and if no one was open he would take off and literally out run linebackers and corners.

[LCSULLA]

Originally Posted by size

Jones is simply unbelievable. His 40 time is the same as Vick yet he is 6'6". Any team that lands him is getting a great player. I am just excited to see him play. If you ever get a chance to see some old Arkansas games with him, then watch them. he would stand in the pocket and if no one was open he would take off and literally out run linebackers and corners.

If I had my way I would make the Redskins draft him with their 25Th pick, if he is still there. On the mock draft boards they have that Auburn QB and I was like WTF do we need another QB for? My dream is for the 'skins get Rolle with nine pick and Jones with 25. Ahhh that would be wonderful.

[glenihan]

if i was the 9ers i'd take Edwards and there is a VERY good change Campbell will be around for their 1st pick in the second round .. i think he's gonna be a better pro than either Smith or Rodgers

if the 9ers take Edwards .. and Miami takes Brown .. then TB takes Smith .. you hope the Titans take Pacman or Rolle .. GB takes Rodgers and BAM Campbell around for the 9ers .. of course if Rodgers goes before GB then they'd probably take Campbell .. but then Frye is available and MAC qbs have proven they are very legit .. if he blows then they'll suck .. have the 1st pick next year and take Leinart

[ryansm]

Jones is a bad ass.

I think Derrick Johnson is a great player, although there are concerns of his tackling ability.
Out of the running backs, Cedrick Benson will provide the best instant feedback since he was such a workhorse at UT.

I like Edwards for the receivers the guy just catches everything thrown at him.

[LCSULLA]

Originally Posted by ryansm

Jones is a bad ass.

I think Derrick Johnson is a great player, although there are concerns of his tackling ability.
Out of the running backs, Cedrick Benson will provide the best instant feedback since he was such a workhorse at UT.

I like Edwards for the receivers the guy just catches everything thrown at him.

I hear Benson got mental probelms like that last great Texas back, I forgot his name...Williams, I think?

[ryansm]

No he's not like Ricky Williams, he will perform well in the NFL.

Ricky was a great back, and could have been something special, different strokes I suppose.

[Iron Warrior]

Originally Posted by size

I am not sold on Campbell at all. First, the guy does not seem to smart, he scored, I think, a 14 and a 28 on the Wonderlic test. One could beat a 14 with random guessing. Also, every team that Auburn played was more concerned with the combo of Brown and Williams out of the back field. I think those 2 made Campbell look much better than he is.
Here is a sample Wonderlic test. It is incredibly easy so it should give you an idea as to how bad a 14 is. http://www.pressanykey.com/cgi-bin/c.../wonderlic.cgi

Yeah but it's not like the rest of the QB's available at that point will be much better, I'm assuming Rodgers, Smith, Jones, and maybe even Campbell won't be around for the 33rd pick. Could always go with Moats (33rd pick) to push that sensitive bastard Kevan Barlow, he shouldn't be running like a pussy if he's 240 with speed. He quit when he realized the team was gonna suck, major character flaw in my book.

As far as the wonderlic, I think that's just useless, it tests nothing related to football. Many busts have happened because of the wonderlic test.

[Iron Warrior]

Originally Posted by ryansm

I think Derrick Johnson is a great player, although there are concerns of his tackling ability.

Tackling ability is not that hard to correct as long as he's willing to listen to his coaches. He'll be okay by the start of the season w/plenty of practice. If tackling ability is the only concern than his playmaking ability is definitely worth a 1st round pick. He's also INCREDIBLE at causing fumbles, something which not many players do anymore.

[ryansm]

Originally Posted by Iron Warrior

Tackling ability is not that hard to correct as long as he's willing to listen to his coaches. He'll be okay by the start of the season w/plenty of practice. If tackling ability is the only concern than his playmaking ability is definitely worth a 1st round pick. He's also INCREDIBLE at causing fumbles, something which not many players do anymore.

Oh I agree with you, the critics are wrong imo. I am a diehard Texas fan so. . .

But yeah his ability to strip the football at will it seems is truly amazing. He's also a side line to side line type of player, which is an attribute of all the good linebackers.