Cam Newton - The whole story

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I dont think that anyone makes the assumption that Auburn would be the first program in D1 to ever pay someone. Hell....I think most programs are giving "incentives" to the 5 star recruits. To assume otherwise is downright naive imo
    Oh, they do. If they dont they are the biggest hipocrits known to man. So take your poison.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by h0other View Post
    But the main point of the article is that these people are BIASED. The NCAA IS NOT.
    BAhahahaha... Oh that statement takes the cake.. the NCAA is not biased, heard it all now.

    I assume your logic got thrown out the window along with Cam's stolen laptop!
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    BAhahahaha... Oh that statement takes the cake.. the NCAA is not biased, heard it all now.

    I assume your logic got thrown out the window along with Cam's stolen laptop!
    So you're saying that everyone wants to brag how Auburn is one the most penalized teams in college football history but now the NCAA is biased towards them? Please explain.

  4. The point of the article is that the NCAA knows MORE ABOUT THIS CASE than any blogger/PAC 10 commisioner or idiot on this forum. If they come out saying he is good to play then it should be a sign. Especially since he's repeatedly stood by his word. How much of a PR nightmare would it be if this all came out that Cam/Auburn really did do things wrong and the NCAA president has to explain how he was so sure about his decision on this situation but now is wrong? I'm sure the NCAA president is a tad bit more intelligent than the people on this forum to do something that dumb.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by h0other View Post
    So you're saying that everyone wants to brag how Auburn is one the most penalized teams in college football history but now the NCAA is biased towards them? Please explain.
    You assertion that NCAA is in anyway non-biased is ridiculous. They have a strong bias toward certain schools, and most of all they have a bias toward ratings and money.

    You don't find it ironic that Reggie Bush's investigation went on 5 years, and somehow, someway they could wrap up Cam's investigation in what, less than 5 weeks... just in time for championship season?
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  6. The Reggie Bush situation involved ALOT more people and ALOT more benefits. When no cash is exchanged in a situation, it makes it much easier to clear it up. Also, the Reggie Bush situation I'm sure helped the NCAA realize how to go about this situation in getting it handled quickly.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You assertion that NCAA is in anyway non-biased is ridiculous. They have a strong bias toward certain schools, and most of all they have a bias toward ratings and money.

    You don't find it ironic that Reggie Bush's investigation went on 5 years, and somehow, someway they could wrap up Cam's investigation in what, less than 5 weeks... just in time for championship season?
    5 weeks? More like 5 minutes

  8. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You assertion that NCAA is in anyway non-biased is ridiculous. They have a strong bias toward certain schools, and most of all they have a bias toward ratings and money.

    You don't find it ironic that Reggie Bush's investigation went on 5 years, and somehow, someway they could wrap up Cam's investigation in what, less than 5 weeks... just in time for championship season?
    Exactly! hoother you're so stubbornly blind in this matter. The NCAA is going to protect their cash cow(football) from a scandal. The BCS bowls generate 10s of millions of dollars. That article clearly state
    "The NCAA noted that reinstatement decisions are separate from the enforcement process and usually are "likely to conclude prior to the close of an investigation."
    In other words it ain't over hoother so enjoy your ruling made in record time at the money time of the season, NCAA and FBI investigators are still on the case. All the circumstantial stuff points to sCam taking money at Auburn and I am not as capable as the NCAA and the SEC of dismissing all that circumstantial information. It would have taken nothing short of a money trail or taped conversations or video to FORCE the NCAA to act swiftly on the matter. I do believe they will act but it will be long after the millions have been taken in and spent. I love college football and I am not in the camp that says everyone does this kind of stuff. Everyone does not have a history of elaborate schemes to pay players, that is simply false, Auburn on the other hand does. Unsubscribed because even if Cam knocked on you door and said "dude I took that money" you wouldn't believe him.

  9. Again, please answer this question. Name ONE thing that has been proven that Auburn has done wrong.

    "All the circumstantial stuff points to sCam taking money at Auburn"

    I asked you this before and you ran from it. Let's see if you can answer it this time.


    If cam Did in fact take money from AUBURN I will boycot going to any Auburn game for a long period of time. It'll mean that I wasted thousands of dollars and time this year. However, I don't think so. I wouldnt of spent 2,000 dollars on NC Airfaire and tickets if I did think this season was bogus. Trust me, if it happened, I'll be as disappointed as anyone. Probably wont be a college football fan period for a long time. But I have not seen ONE FACT that states that Auburn did anything wrong.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by h0other View Post
    Again, please answer this question. Name ONE thing that has been proven that Auburn has done wrong.

    "All the circumstantial stuff points to sCam taking money at Auburn"

    I asked you this before and you ran from it. Let's see if you can answer it this time.


    If cam Did in fact take money from AUBURN I will boycot going to any Auburn game for a long period of time. It'll mean that I wasted thousands of dollars and time this year. However, I don't think so. I wouldnt of spent 2,000 dollars on NC Airfaire and tickets if I did think this season was bogus. Trust me, if it happened, I'll be as disappointed as anyone. Probably wont be a college football fan period for a long time. But I have not seen ONE FACT that states that Auburn did anything wrong.
    So I am trying to decipher this statement. Lemme see if I get this right.

    So, because you spent 2Gs to go to games, Cam didn't take money?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    So I am trying to decipher this statement. Lemme see if I get this right.

    So, because you spent 2Gs to go to games, Cam didn't take money?
    Are you seriously ignorant or are you just pretending to be? Me spending the money shows that I really do not believe Auburn has done anything wrong in this situation. It doesn't make it a FACT. But I have seen no FACT that shows Auburn HAS done anythign wrong.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by h0other View Post
    Are you seriously ignorant or are you just pretending to be? Me spending the money shows that I really do not believe Auburn has done anything wrong in this situation. It doesn't make it a FACT. But I have seen no FACT that shows Auburn HAS done anythign wrong.
    Coming from the guy who claimed the NCAA is unbiased!

  13. And I stand by it. Even more so that they would not be biased towards Auburn.
    Nice come back though. Still awaiting that ONE FACT that Auburn did something wrong in this situation. Seems like between all of you that one person could at least come up with one :/.. Kind of saddening.

  14. Not everyone is running in the president of AnabolicMinds election like you rubby. I express my views just as I expect anyone else to.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    Lol!

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  16. This article encapsulates what the majority of the country thinks about this year's edition of the BCS NCG:

    http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ilet-paper-tcu

    Excuse me for my lack of holiday cheer. It's hard to be merry when the two best players in college football Auburn's Cam Newton and Oregon's LaMichael James -- have turned the national title game into the Sewer Bowl.
    Moral dilemma for college football fans: How do you clap your hands and hold your nose at the same time?
    As for SEC Commissioner Michael Slive, he says Newton retained his eligibility because there is no evidence the player knew of his father's "reprehensible act." Puh-leeze. I would have had much more respect for Slive if he'd have just admitted that Cam Newton is the SEC's meal ticket to a fifth straight national championship.
    And my personal favorite...

    It's a good thing one of Auburn's most revered football traditions is to hang toilet paper from the trees at Toomer's Corner after big victories. The Tigers will need every bit of that toilet paper to wipe away the stench emanating from this BC-Mess National Championship Game.
    RTR.

  17. Here's a handy-dandy flow chart for those lazy folks who didn't read the first post...



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    RTR.

  18. Did anyone catch the ESPN interview where he referred to himself in the 3rd person, dodged the "the money was too much" issue, and called his dad "Cecil?"

    Chris Fowler: "So the reports are untrue that you had conversations with them (the Mullens) about Auburn payments?"

    Cam Newton: "I'm not going to talk about any reports."

    Now, I'm pretty sure Auburn wouldn't have frowned on Cam answering, "Yes, those reports are untrue"...

    Unless giving that answer would be a lie.

    It's mind-blowing to me that anyone, including an Auburn fan, could watch that interview and not know with every fiber in their being that Newton is a pathological liar.

    Mark McGuire was more convincing.



    Btw, am I the only one who sees this guy on trial in the future for killing a white woman? (no O.J.)
    RTR.

  19. I'll get to all your responses hooter Tomorrow when I have some time. For some one who talks about gathering facts you really haven't produced much more then biased views and taking quotes out of context an interpreting them in a way that suites your argument. I'm all for debate an hearing what people believe an why they think it to be true whether it be ignorantly spoken out of there ass or not. I don't have a desire to go round an round regardless of any proven points in a he said she said posting war. No **** the NCAA hasn't been able to prove anything. Most of the investigation was spawned from wire taps on individuals suspected of washing dirty money. The NCAA was instructed to start with Mississippi State i.e. The Auburn investigation probably wont have any light shed on it for 2 years. Yes it would be naive to believe their isn't a big name school that doesn't operate by giving "incentives" to players to be drawn to there school. It's another argument completely to act as if any indication made is bull****. Idc what you hear on the Jim Rome show in the afternoons after school honestly or read on espn. It's irrelevant to say the least.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    Did anyone catch the ESPN interview where he referred to himself in the 3rd person, dodged the "the money was too much" issue, and called his dad "Cecil?"




    Now, I'm pretty sure Auburn wouldn't have frowned on Cam answering, "Yes, those reports are untrue"...

    Unless giving that answer would be a lie.

    It's mind-blowing to me that anyone, including an Auburn fan, could watch that interview and not know with every fiber in their being that Newton is a pathological liar.

    Mark McGuire was more convincing.



    Btw, am I the only one who sees this guy on trial in the future for killing a white woman? (no O.J.)
    Amen
    If you fall apart in crisis, then there wasn't much to you to start with

  21. The entire SEC Conference is corrupt.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by plenny View Post
    The entire SEC Conference is corrupt.
    That's right, the whole thing is, but it sure does feel sweet to demolish the competition year, after year, after year, after year, after....uhhhhh, yeah, year.

  23. Also, I cant put much faith into the NCAA bias accusal. Auburn had a great recruiting class in 93, went undefeated. And, they were hit with probation then as well before season.

    This thing didn't just end in a short period, it's been ongoing. Everyone close or "behind the scenes" knows that it's been going for months now.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by h0other View Post
    I just think it's funny that everyone posts all of these "ideas" like they know more than the NCAA and SEC. I had never once heard about the casino thing with the Auburn players. The only casino scanadals have been with politicians such as the idiotic mayor of Birmingham. Don't get me wrong, this state is corrupt. But if Auburns players were really running to the casino weekly to get money, it'd be pretty obvious. Kids have too big of mouths for that not to get out.

    No comments about Alabama having top recruiting classes every year but the current #25 recruiting class paying all of it's players? Or the rest of my post for that matter.

    I like argument, I have just seen way too many conspiracy theories and they seem to be getting more and more ridiculous.
    One thing, I can tell you with absolute specificity that Auburn players have been to Victory land and won small sums of money, $100, 200, 300-500 bucks here and there. Yet, some people go daily and have yet to win a dime; however, some go once and win a few hundred thousand. But, how do you explain that these 3-5 players can go and consistently win $100-500 bucks every few of weeks?

    If I give a guy a card and have someone that works there tell him to play a certain section of machines because they are more prone to hit, why wouldn't the kid play those machines and believe he/she is honestly winning the money? It does not have to be that they are TOLD that they are going to be given "left handed" winnings via fixed machines. I am not saying either way, they knew or didn't know or was weary or not, but I know some have been there and won. I also know that some have gone in and were under the legal age to play...these are facts, not propaganda.
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