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  1. Quote Originally Posted by BurghHardcore View Post
    It comes down to whatever you like. I've been in this argument 100x before LOL. Noone gets anywhere with it. I, personally, happen to find Jiu-Jitsu tournaments highly entertaining. I think it takes crazy patience, skill, and discipline to excel at a high level of Jiu-Jitsu and I love it. But that's just personal preference. I don't find it boring in the least. To be honest...and I'm not just saying this...I can't even watch boxing anymore. The golden days of boxing are gone (at least for the present) and I just don't find it entertaining. I don't mind a fight going to ground at all. I have friends that do...but it's part of the rules, so you gotta deal with it. Once again, personal preference. I have a friend that boxes a couple times a week, yet he watches MMA religiously.

    I agree to a point that people always put the boxers into an mma fight. But obviously you can still punch in an MMA fight...so one could also argue that point is mute. The MMA fighters just have a much wider skill set. I say f*ck that...put them both in the street. That would be the only arena to hold it I guess.

    I agree boxing is in the past, the best is far behind us all, i think grappling is fun to do but boring to watch, sort of like baseball for me, something i always regret is wrestling in high school, in my fathers opinion what ruined boxing was putting it on pay per view, i understand ufc and things are pay per view, but it's a younger audience who grew up when stuff was already on pay per view
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    All comparisons about relative skills levels aside, I would say this statement is untrue from the standpoint of physiology and metabolism. The components of MMA devoted to grappling (clinch work on the cage, open wrestling and ground work [BJJ/wrestling]) and the longer rounds make it far more of an anaerobic exercise than boxing: that is to say, the necessary activation of more muscle groups in MMA creates a far greater metabolic load, and one that cannot be compensated for with the transport of oxygen to the cell. The constant adaptations to this type of metabolic load, though, requires not only anaerobic adaptations (hypertrophy of skeletal muscle, innervation, alteration of muscle phenotype) but aerobic ones as well (larger muscles will require greater oxygen, ceteris paribus). These adaptations, as a whole, are called conditioning to stress load. I think that comparison is mostly moot, though boxers are better aerobically-conditioned athletes.

    I am unsure about the weight (no pun intended) of your Chuck Liddell example, as James Toney was an incredibly successful boxer across several weight classes, all the while looking more slovenly than the vast majority of MMA fighters.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    All comparisons about relative skills levels aside, I would say this statement is untrue from the standpoint of physiology and metabolism. The components of MMA devoted to grappling (clinch work on the cage, open wrestling and ground work [BJJ/wrestling]) and the longer rounds make it far more of an anaerobic exercise than boxing: that is to say, the necessary activation of more muscle groups in MMA creates a far greater metabolic load, and one that cannot be compensated for with the transport of oxygen to the cell. The constant adaptations to this type of metabolic load, though, requires not only anaerobic adaptations (hypertrophy of skeletal muscle, innervation, alteration of muscle phenotype) but aerobic ones as well (larger muscles will require greater oxygen, ceteris paribus). These adaptations, as a whole, are called conditioning to stress load. I think that comparison is mostly moot, though boxers are better aerobically-conditioned athletes.

    I am unsure about the weight (no pun intended) of your Chuck Liddell example, as James Toney was an incredibly successful boxer across several weight classes, all the while looking more slovenly than the vast majority of MMA fighters.
    Toney was a outright heavyweight and Liddell was a LH. Dont for a second think variety and time replace intensity over duration. Anyone can push through a tough patch, its pushing through maintaining quickness and still outsmarting your opponent thats hard. Sure, there is more anaerobic in MMA, but that doesnt mean variety makes it tougher. Is a pentathlete better than a triathlete? Maintaining a jab into later rounds is tough. Making sure its still quick as hell is tougher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasTitan View Post
    put them against mayweather in a boxing right. QUOTE]


    Learn to spell. I believe it's a lack of knowledge on your behalf to say boxers have better conditioning then MMA fighters, there's no way your perfect fighter, Mayweather, has better conditioning then GSP.

    O wait I know your defence on this one, you're going to say "no no no there is no way GSP can jump rope as long as Mayweather!" LOL
    That was a typo. Telling someone to learn to spell and then misspelling defense in the next post is not a good way to start off.

    Mayweather is a freak of nature, literally trained in the crib. I would bet money down his conditioning far surpasses some french canadian fruit loop. When I was boxing, my pulse was into the 30s.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by TexasTitan View Post
    Toney was a outright heavyweight and Liddell was a LH. Dont for a second think variety and time replace intensity over duration. Anyone can push through a tough patch, its pushing through maintaining quickness and still outsmarting your opponent thats hard. Sure, there is more anaerobic in MMA, but that doesnt mean variety makes it tougher. Is a pentathlete better than a triathlete? Maintaining a jab into later rounds is tough. Making sure its still quick as hell is tougher.
    I think you may have misunderstood. It is not about varying the activation of the same muscles, which seems to be what you are implying, but it is an entirely different kind of activation altogether. Your point seems to be that there is only a difference in the degree of conditioning between MMA fighters and boxers - with boxers, in your mind, being superior - whereas the issue is a difference in kind altogether.

    Furthermore, that MMA fighters are faced with the same constraints of intensity - ensuring that takedown attempts are still explosive, that leg kicks are still crisp, jabs are proper, etc - only serves to cement my point: not only are they required to maintain speed, accuracy, etc., over long(er) durations, but are required to do so across different instances of physical stimuli. In any case, the greater metabolic load and subsequent adaptation in MMA quite literally means they are more conditioned in the physiologic sense of the word. This being said, I am not making a blanket statement re: the general level of athleticism and explosiveness between sports. Boxers are phenomenally conditioned athletes.

    Also, Toney began his career at MW, and was slovenly even then.
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    [quote=TexasTitan;2343690]Toney was a outright heavyweight and Liddell was a LH. Dont for a second think variety and time replace intensity over duration. Anyone can push through a tough patch, its pushing through maintaining quickness and still outsmarting your opponent thats hard. Sure, there is more anaerobic in MMA, but that doesnt mean variety makes it tougher. Is a pentathlete better than a triathlete? Maintaining a jab into later rounds is tough. Making sure its still quick as hell is tougher.

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    That was a typo. Telling someone to learn to spell and then misspelling defense in the next post is not a good way to start off.

    Mayweather is a freak of nature, literally trained in the crib. I would bet money down his conditioning far surpasses some french canadian fruit loop. When I was boxing, my pulse was into the 30s.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by plenny View Post
    Mohommed Ali, Smokin Joe Frazier, Mike Tyson...whats there not to love?

    Call me old fashioned, but I'd rather watch boxing over MMA anyday. If I wanted to watch MMA I would go to the local bar or tavern about 1-2am and watch 2 drunk idiots roll around on the floor fighting. Someone mentioned earlier that MMa looks sloppy, I agree. Boxing is much more classier and straightforward.
    As someone who does brazilian jiu jitsu three days a week. I can tell you if you understand what you are watching in a grappling match of two black-belts, it is every bit as skilled and entertaining as a Mayweather fight. It is a chess match. I can guarantee you nothing you see in a drunken bar fight even resembles a skilled mma fight.

  7. It really means that each has every take on what sports they like. I for one like boxing and MMA I don't choose from one from the latter. I love MMA because of what Randy Couture has brought to the Octagon and I like Manny Paquiao for what he brings on the ring to date.

  8. I love and hate both sports. I started boxing when I was 14. At the time there were still great fighters that put on excellent bouts. Now, before people get all pissy, there are still a few great fighters in American mainstream boxing. Boxing is dying int the US but in the rest of the world it is still huge. Now a days is I watch boxing its usually on Telemundo where you can still see some great events and fighters with true heart

    On to MMA. After the Army I started training in Muay Thai and eventually moved to MMA. It is completely different than boxing. So this arguement of a boxer would lose in MMA is completely irrevelent. As mentioned by a couple people it is a completely different sport. Now even though I dont fight anymore I still love MMA. I have grown to dislike the UFC however. I think they need to go back to putting on PPV events every few months. They're cranking out events with what I feel is lower quality fights and still charging PPV to make a quick buck. For how much they pull in annual revenue their fighters are underpaid (it is getting better however) Dana White goes on TV and says how UFC is all about pushing the sport into the mainstream. But then when Affliction starts their own promotion UFC does everything possible to put them out of business. As well when EA sports started development of a MMA game. The UFC told all fighters that if they signed a likeness contract with EA that they would never be allowed to fight in the UFC. Neither of these actions in my opinion help develope the sport. I personally cant wait for DREAM to start to develope their heavyweight class

  9. Boxing definitely. I find boxing having more class than MMA. It has tradition and very exciting to watch.

    As for who would win?

    Hands down MMA. True, grappling gets boring but its essential to survive in an MMA fight. The old UFC fights proved that you need to know some level of grappling to survive and you could see the fighters in MMA evolve over the years. More and more fighters are learning how to grapple even if it isn't their main style because they know how dangerous it is. Any elite boxer with no experience in grappling going against a seasoned grappler, 9 out of 10 wouldn't last. That's just the truth.

  10. on other hand.. even though its never on tv but has anyone every watched an Elite BJJ or a Judo Competition? Its definitely more exciting than boxing in my opinion. I grew up in judo and watching a competition is pretty intense. In a Judo Match, One point is all it takes to win. Watch some Olympic Judoka, especially a guy name Koga. Youtube. You screw up once and its over so it can get really intense.. imagine. Two people trying their hardest to throw you. haha the mental aspect of it is pretty mind blowing. You have to be concentrating at your fullest the whole match otherwise you'll get thrown.

  11. [QUOTE=TexasTita

    Mayweather is a freak of nature, literally trained in the crib. I would bet money down his conditioning far surpasses some french canadian fruit loop. When I was boxing, my pulse was into the 30s.[/QUOTE]



    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!! french canadian fruit loop eh.
    u sir are an idiot.. sure mayweather is a great boxer with amazing conditioning.. but saying he is more conditioned to one of the best conditioned fighters/atheletes in the world is just silly!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Young Gotti View Post
    this thread is going to get interesting, i like mma don't get me wrong, it's awesome, but thats because it's always on that i watch it, boxing is hardly ever on, that i see anyway, but watching the old ali and frazier fights, old tyson, even mayweather.....boxers would work mma fights, because get this...they throw proper punches, mma guys punchs are awful...so yeah mma guys can take them down but u can't take someone down who's gonna throw actual combos as you dive at his legs
    do u think that in an mma fight u just shoot for a takedown? u set your take downs up with punchs...

    do u train mma?

  13. UFC for the win.

  14. What you guys think the outcome of Mariusz Pudzianowski vs. Tim Sylvia's gona be. When they going to put mariusz against Brock that be one hell of a fight

  15. MMA > Boxing because in MMA they go at each other and fight and in Boxing they try to avoid getting hit the whole time. After Mayweather fights Mosley, Pacquiao and Paul Williams there will be no fights left in boxing that I want to see.

  16. BOTH ARE AMAZING

  17. Gotta go with the UFC. I just cant get into boxing anymore now that im a UFC fan. It just seems to be outdated now.

  18. i like both.

  19. UFC not to many good boxing for awhile now maybe mayweather vs paq will happen one day.

  20. Grew up watching boxing with father, later on walked into Gleason's famed Brooklyn gym and fell in love. Both sports have their place. Also the business models for both are entirely different, with the top in boxing making vastly more than their counterparts in MMA.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    I can't wait to see Randy Couture beat James Toney, then no one can say boxing guys can beat MMA guys...and I would love to see Mayweather fight the guys he has with 4 oz gloves.
    You could take an average 140lb boxer and put him in the ring with a talented MMA fighter, where all they could do was trade hands...I present to you a massacre (in the boxer's favor). I've witnessed it myself.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    You could take an average 140lb boxer and put him in the ring with a talented MMA fighter, where all they could do was trade hands...I present to you a massacre (in the boxer's favor). I've witnessed it myself.
    Ya I'd like to see Cain Velasquez box with an average 140lbs boxer wearing MMA gloves and just box.....bye bye boxer lol


    Boxer vs MMA fighter in a boxing match= boxer wins

    Boxer vs MMA fighter in a MMA fight= MMA fighter wins

    Boxer vs MMA fighter in a kickboxing match= MMA fighter wins

    Boxer vs MMA fighter in a grappling match= MMA fighter wins


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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    I think you may have misunderstood. It is not about varying the activation of the same muscles, which seems to be what you are implying, but it is an entirely different kind of activation altogether. Your point seems to be that there is only a difference in the degree of conditioning between MMA fighters and boxers - with boxers, in your mind, being superior - whereas the issue is a difference in kind altogether.

    Furthermore, that MMA fighters are faced with the same constraints of intensity - ensuring that takedown attempts are still explosive, that leg kicks are still crisp, jabs are proper, etc - only serves to cement my point: not only are they required to maintain speed, accuracy, etc., over long(er) durations, but are required to do so across different instances of physical stimuli. In any case, the greater metabolic load and subsequent adaptation in MMA quite literally means they are more conditioned in the physiologic sense of the word. This being said, I am not making a blanket statement re: the general level of athleticism and explosiveness between sports. Boxers are phenomenally conditioned athletes.

    Also, Toney began his career at MW, and was slovenly even then.
    Comparing the type of conditioning that each sport takes is comparing apples and oranges. You have to think of a boxing match almost a marathon. The sheer amount of punches thrown and taken in a match is astounding, not to mention the number of rounds compared to that of an MMA bout. However, if boxing is a marathon, MMA is not a sprint, but more of say a 400 or 800m run. You have to pace yourself at a point, but know when to explode and make your move, all while being cognisant of what's in your gas tank. This is especially apparent when you add the element of grappling. To truly appreciate the incredible conditiong of both boxers and mixed martial artists, you really have to try both. A boxer's endurance wouldn't mean **** in a wrestling match, and a wrestler would gas in a boxing match. That's why mixed martial arts is so versatile, as it adds in both elements, and hence why I favor it over boxing (especially as of late). However, to say that either sport's athletes are better conditioned is pretentious.

  24. great, i see the next 5 posts just say everything I tried to but much more directly

  25. Not to mention world class boxers are a at a completely differnet level of skill in striking than a mixed martial artist that trains in boxing. If Randy Couture fought Toney in a boxing match (which he never will), Toney would obliterate him. Even Randy said this would happen. I liked what Vitor Belfort proposed. He wanted to fight Toney in an octagon with 4 oz. gloves and make it a kickboxing/muay thai type of deal.
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