Why two brands?

[John64]

I've always wondered why there exists PrimaForce and SciVation? Why were two brands created in the first place and why haven't they merged?

Also why have PrimaForce Primal N20 and SciVation VasoCharge?

[jjohn]

Because I beleive the crowd intended is not the same with the two brands, and they cover more bases this way.

[dsade]

Because you should be stacking Primal N20 WITH Vasocharge....cha-CHING!!!

/not really.

[T-Bone]

Primaforce/Scivation are the same company. Primaforce was created for those on a budget(like me). They are one of the few companys that have done something like this which I like. They are one of my favorite supplement companys for this reason amoung other reasons(products that work period, excellent prices...etc.)

[Scivation]

They are two separate brands with common ownership.

Scivation = Innovative, Science-based.

Primaforce = Supplements you need, quality you can trust.

Primal N2O and Vasocharge are the same. The reason? In some countries, Primaforce is HUGE. In some countries, Scivation is HUGE. We developed what we feel in the perfect PreWO formula. Thus, we used it for both brands.

[dsade]

In some countries, Primaforce is HUGE. In some countries, Scivation is HUGE. We developed what we feel in the perfect PreWO formula. Thus, we used it for both brands.

Is it true that in Germany, Prima Force is even bigger than David Hasselhoff?

[Scivation]

Is it true that in Germany, Prima Force is even bigger than David Hasselhoff?

Dude, let's be realistic. Don't Hassle the Hoff!

[Minnesota]

Dude, let's be realistic. Don't Hassle the Hoff!

LOL

[diminuendo]

Just as many a fine vintner has a second label...so do Avant labs and Scivation. Two great companies.

[Saurabh]

They are two separate brands with common ownership.

Scivation = Innovative, Science-based.

Primaforce = Supplements you need, quality you can trust.

Primal N2O and Vasocharge are the same. The reason? In some countries, Primaforce is HUGE. In some countries, Scivation is HUGE. We developed what we feel in the perfect PreWO formula. Thus, we used it for both brands.

Fair enough. However I am not convinced this is helping the consumers in any way.

At NP, Primal N2O is sold for $28.95

http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...-lemonade.html

At the same website Vasocharge is sold at $34.99

http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...347-grams.html

Can you categorically say that it is the NP that is jacking up the price while Scivation/PrimaForce sells the two products to NP at exact same price?

I am not trying to point fingers but as a consumer I sure have a right to know.

[dsade]

Fair enough. However I am not convinced this is helping the consumers in any way.

At NP, Primal N2O is sold for $28.95

http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...-lemonade.html

At the same website Vasocharge is sold at $34.99

http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...347-grams.html

Can you categorically say that it is the NP that is jacking up the price while Scivation/PrimaForce sells the two products to NP at exact same price?

I am not trying to point fingers but as a consumer I sure have a right to know.

Who said they are being sold to NP at the same price?

[Saurabh]

Who said they are being sold to NP at the same price?

Didnt Mark, the CEO of Scivation say, and I quote - Primal N2O and Vasocharge are the same.

Why would two products that are same, and this comes from the maker of the two products mind you, be sold at different cost?

Unless of course the two brands were created to do exactly that - sell same products for different cost.

[Scivation]

Didnt Mark, the CEO of Scivation say, and I quote - Primal N2O and Vasocharge are the same.

Why would two products that are same, and this comes from the maker of the two products mind you, be sold at different cost?

Unless of course the two brands were created to do exactly that - sell same products for different cost.

Different brands have different market positions.

[ShakesAllDay]

Didnt Mark, the CEO of Scivation say, and I quote - Primal N2O and Vasocharge are the same.

Why would two products that are same, and this comes from the maker of the two products mind you, be sold at different cost?

Unless of course the two brands were created to do exactly that - sell same products for different cost.

Marketing...

(I successfully avoided the 'Marketing 101' response.. damn!)

[dsade]

Didnt Mark, the CEO of Scivation say, and I quote - Primal N2O and Vasocharge are the same.

Why would two products that are same, and this comes from the maker of the two products mind you, be sold at different cost?

Unless of course the two brands were created to do exactly that - sell same products for different cost.

Have you ever gone down the cereal aisle in any store? You DO realize that most of the store brands are made by Kellogg's, etc, but priced differently.

Some people prefer to feel a part of a company with a certain vibe, others another vibe, and yet a third that just want the cheapest option.

Yes...marketing.

BTW, Marc...you were looking extremely thick at the Arnold. Good to see you sporting the insane mass I remember so well.

[ShakesAllDay]

Have you ever gone down the cereal aisle in any store? You DO realize that most of the store brands are made by Kellogg's, etc, but priced differently.

Some people prefer to feel a part of a company with a certain vibe, others another vibe, and yet a third that just want the cheapest option.

I want to know what kind of vibe a customer has when buying AST's DGC. Brand + high price point = TEH HYOOOGENESSS!!

[dsade]

I want to know what kind of vibe a customer has when buying AST's DGC. Brand + high price point = TEH HYOOOGENESSS!!

I don't even WANT to know what kind of vibes you are buying.



/bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Saurabh]

Different brands have different market positions.

So Scivation Vasocharge and PrimaForce N2O are same ingredients and yet the price differential is 20-30%. What are the different market positions of these two products? Or are you just taking easy way out with marketing Mark?

[ShakesAllDay]

So Scivation Vasocharge and PrimaForce N2O are same ingredients and yet the price differential is 20-30%. What are the different market positions of these two products? Or are you just taking easy way out with marketing Mark?

Wow. Seriously. I think people have explained this in as simple terms as possible. Unless you go to school and take any basic marketing classes, you are obviously going to remain clueless. THE FOUR P'S NUKKA!

Click Me!!!

Just take what has been given to you and drop it.

/doing my part for the community

[Saurabh]

Have you ever gone down the cereal aisle in any store? You DO realize that most of the store brands are made by Kellogg's, etc, but priced differently.

Have you ever gone to a car company? Would you pay the price of a Lexus for a Toyota? Even if ultimately both are owned by Toyota companies? I sure wouldnt.

Kellogs makes a bunch of cereals(I should know because I worked at their Head Quarters at Battle Creek) but they are different products and not the same. The day Kellogg President/CEO comes out saying "Our Cereal K and Bran Cereal are the same and we sell the former for 3$ a box and latter for 5$" you can bet most consumers would hate Kellogg for doing that.

I appreciate Mark's honesty in accepting the two products as same but it does bug as to why I should deal with a company who does this to its consumers.