X-Tend FAQ by Beast

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Please read all the articles linked at the beginning of the FAQ as well as the FAQ.

Feel free to ask questions and have a discussion here. I will add good questions to the FAQ document. Any rude or out-of-line comments will be deleted.

Scivation Xtend FAQ

What is Xtend?
Xtend is a precise, scientific blend of “Energy Aminos” consisting of the proven 2:1:1 ratio of Branched Chain Amino Acids (L-Leucine, L-Isoleucine and L-Valine), Glutamine, Citrulline Malate, and Vitamin B6.

For more information on BCAA, read:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/beast11.htm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/beast14.htm

For more information on Citrulline Malate, read:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jrod3.htm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/jrod4.htm

For more information on Glutamine, read:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/inmag6.htm
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/inmag8.htm

If I already eat a lot of protein, will additional free-form BCAA be beneficial to me?
The metabolic effects seen from ingesting free-form amino acids are different from ingesting the same amino acids when they are in a whole protein (peptide bond). The rapid flushing of the system with the particular amino acid exerts a much more powerful activation of its target pathways. For example, if you were to ingest 5 grams of free-form arginine pre-workout you would notice a greater pump then without it. If you were to ingest 5 grams of arginine in the form of a whole protein (1) you’d have to eat a ton of protein to acquire the 5 grams of arginine and (2) the rate of delivery would be much slower and (3) you would not be flooding your system with a large dose of arginine at one time. The same holds true for BCAA. Ingesting 10 grams of BCAA will lead to greater activation of mTOR, PI3K, etc.* than ingesting 10 grams of BCAA from a whole protein.

*refer to my BCAA for more info on these pathways: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/beast11.htm

What if I already take in a lot of whey protein which is high in BCAA?
Free-form amino acids are absorbed quicker than whey, and as stated above, whey will not flood your bloodstream with BCAA as quick as ingesting free-form BCAA. The BCAA from whey compared to free-form BCAA could be compared to filling up a glass of water from a garden hose (whey) to a faucet (free-form BCAA). If you use a garden hose you have to wait until the water travels the length of the hose before you can use it. With a faucet, the water is right there when you turn it on. On top of this, the faucet has a wider opening than the garden hose and releases more water than the garden hose. During your workout and times of stress (dieting), you want the BCAA to get to your muscles as quickly as possible.

I have heard one can get the same effects from taking Leucine alone as from taking all 3 BCAA, is this true?
Due to leucine's metabolic properties, many people focus solely on leucine and not the other two BCAAs, valine and isoleucine. Research has shown that leucine-rich diets or administration of leucine alone lead to decreases in valine and isoleucine plasma concentrations and a BCAA imbalance (Shirmomura et al., 2004). While it may be cheaper to supplement with leucine alone instead of all three BCAA, one should supplement with all three BCAA so not to create a BCAA imbalance.
Isoleucine and Valine also has some interesting properties of their own, separate from leucine. Isoleucine has been shown to increase glucose intake via PI3K activation, one of the same pathways leucine uses, but independently of the mTOR pathway (Doi et al., 2003). Valine has been shown to reduce fatty acid synthase in adipocytes by 40%, which will lead to less fat storage (Taylor & Halperin, 1975).

How much and when should I take Xtend?
How much Xtend you take per day will depend primarily on how much money you can spend and your goals. The following dosing protocols are based on the large tub of Xtend, which has 90 servings.
<img src=https://ctools.umich.edu/access/content/user/derekwc/Xtend/Table%201.jpg>

3 Servings during Your Workouts Strategy
During exercise BCAA oxidation is increased. Supplementing with additional BCAA spares muscle tissue from being broken down to acquire BCAA. Therefore, drinking Xtend around and during your workout is the ideal way to use it. Start sipping your Xtend 15 minutes prior to the start of your workout (i.e. while driving to the gym). Continue sipping Xtend between sets during your workout and finish whatever Xtend you have not drunken immediately post workout. Follow this up with your usual post-workout shake or meal. If you only use Xtend during your workouts, 1 jug will last as follows:
<img src=https://ctools.umich.edu/access/content/user/derekwc/Xtend/Table%202.jpg>
If you want to take additional Xtend on your rest days to accelerate recovery and growth, 1 jug will last:
<img src=https://ctools.umich.edu/access/content/user/derekwc/Xtend/Table%203.jpg>

Sipping Xtend throughout the Day Strategy
Another popular method for using Xtend is to sip it throughout the day. Many users of this method have reporting gaining lean mass while losing fat simultaneously. This method would be ideal for those cutting on a low-carb, hypocaloric diet. Simply put the desired amount of Xtend in a container (i.e. gallon jug) and drink from it occasionally throughout the day. I would recommend using 4-6 scoops in a gallon jug as pictured here:
<img src=https://ctools.umich.edu/access/content/user/derekwc/Xtend/Xtend.jpg>
If you use 3 servings (6 scoops) per day in this manner, 1 jug of Xtend will last 30 days. If you combine this method with the above method of taking 3 servings of Xtend during your workout, 1 jug will last:
<img src=https://ctools.umich.edu/access/content/user/derekwc/Xtend/Table%204.jpg>

The Original Xtend Megadosing Experiment: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=431025&highlight=Megadose

What Supplements Can I Combine with Xtend for Enhanced Results?
The Mammalian Target of Rapamycin (mTOR) is one of the body's protein synthesis regulators. mTOR functions as an energy sensor; it is activated when ATP levels are high and blocked when ATP levels are decreased (AMPK is activated when ATP decreases, which works antagonistically to mTOR).
The main energy-consuming process in the cell is protein synthesis. When mTOR is activated (high ATP levels sensed) protein synthesis is increased and when mTOR is suppressed (low ATP levels are sensed) protein synthesis is blunted.
MTOR activation is vital for skeletal muscle hypertrophy. Interestingly, mTOR is also a nutrient sensor of amino acid availability, specifically of leucine availability. Research has shown that regulation of mTOR by ATP and amino acids act independently through separate mechanisms (Dennis et al., 2001).
It is my belief that combining supplements that increase/elevate ATP levels with BCAA will lead to an increased activation of mTOR, and therefore protein synthesis. Our goal is to keep ATP levels elevated while working out. To do so, we must supply the needed nutrients and substrates before and after the workout to keep ATP levels elevated and our bodies primed for growth.

Creatine
Creatine is used in the high-energy phosphate or ATP-PCr system to regenerate ATP. ATP, the body's main source of energy, is a molecule of adenosine (adenine + the sugar ribose) linked to three phosphate molecules by high-energy bonds. Breaking of the two outer bonds results in the release of energy.
When the most outer bond is broken, the energy is released and ADP and Pi are left behind. Creatine, which is bonded to a phosphate ion, transfers energy to the ADP and Pi molecule by breaking its own bond. This regenerates the ATP molecule, which means one now has more energy to use.
Skeletal muscle has a limited storage of creatine. Therefore supplementing with creatine increases your ability to form ATP and therefore increases the available energy for exercise (Casey et al. 1996 & 2000). More importantly to our topic on hand, by keeping ATP levels by supplementing with creatine we increase protein synthesis through mTOR activation. Creatine also has many other beneficial effects that are to numerous to address here.

Nitric Oxide (NO) product (Arginine, DiArginine-Malate, AAKG, etc)
The rate-limiting step of amino acid uptake into skeletal muscle is the transportation of the amino acids through the blood to the skeletal muscle, which is governed by blood flow (Wolfe, 2004). NO vasodilates blood vessels, thereby increasing blood flow. This increase when combined with exercises means greater blood flow and greater amino acid deliver and uptake in the working skeletal muscle. Exercise itself results in an increase in NO production, and the increased blood flow created by exercise is believed to be linked to the increase in protein synthesis post workout (Douglas et al., 2004). Xtend already has Citrulline-Malate in it, which will increase NO production, but an additional serving of arginine (i.e. 5 grams) preworkout should further enhance NO production, blood flow, and amino acid uptake.
 

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Different cardio scenarios:
(1) Cardio only
(2) Cadio AM, Weight training PM (or vise versa)
(3) Weight training followed by cardio
(4) HIIT
Depending on the duration and intensity, cardiovascular exercise can deplete muscle glycogen levels significantly. Supplementing with Xtend will assist in sparing muscle glycogen and muscle tissue and increase gluconeogensis. In addition to this, the citrulline-malate in Xtend will increase your performance due to its ATP boosting effects.
(1) Cardio only
If you are only doing cardio on a given day, I would treat this just as you would a weight training workout. Start sipping your Xtend 15 minutes prior to the start of your cardio (i.e. while driving to the gym). Continue sipping Xtend throughout your cardio session. Dosing will depend mainly on the duration. I would suggest taking 1 serving of Xtend per 10 minutes of cardio.


(2) Cardio AM, Weight Training PM
If you perform both cardio and weight training on the same day, I would recommend dosing 3 servings of Xtend pre/during/post weight training as outlined above and supplementing with an additional 2-3 servings of Xtend during your cardio session.

(3) Weight training followed by cardio
If you perform cardio after your weight training session, I would recommend increasing your Xtend servings from 3 to 4-6 servings. Add all of the servings to a jug or water bottle and sip throughout your weight training session as usual. Whatever Xtend you did not drink during your workout is to be drunk during your cardio session.

(4) HIIT
HIIT is an anaerobic form of cardio. While a HIIT session is usually shorter in duration then a cardiovascular session, it is much more intense. I would recommend using 1-3 servings of Xtend during the session. If you are doing sprints, I would suggest taking 1 scoop (1/2 servings) per 5 sprints.
 

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I've often wondered about whether or not I should be sipping a bcaa cocktail during my cardio sessions, or if by some means this would cause a reduction in fatloss achieved during cardio. Is it possible for bcaa's to be oxidized into glucose in any fashion, particularly when low-carbing and/or in states of ketosis? When I used to perform HIIT I typically ingested a bcaa cocktail during the session, but hadn't considered it during lower intensity cardio sessions.
 
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I've often wondered about whether or not I should be sipping a bcaa cocktail during my cardio sessions, or if by some means this would cause a reduction in fatloss achieved during cardio. Is it possible for bcaa's to be oxidized into glucose in any fashion, particularly when low-carbing and/or in states of ketosis? When I used to perform HIIT I typically ingested a bcaa cocktail during the session, but hadn't considered it during lower intensity cardio sessions.
The keto-acids from BCAA are used for gluconeogenesis to create glucose in liver. I think BCAA+Glutamine is ideal to drink during cardio due to its anti-catabolic properties and low impact on insulin.
 

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Instead of creating a new thread, I might as well bump an old one already full of information.

I drink 2 shakes during the day inbetween meals with Milk/Substance/SuperCarb. It's been going well so far, to put it mildly. I am wondering what benifits I might have by adding a serving or 2 of xtend into the shake. Will the BCAA's still absorb as they would just as taken with water? Would it be better just to take a serving before I have each shake?
 
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I drink 2 shakes during the day inbetween meals with Milk/Substance/SuperCarb. It's been going well so far, to put it mildly. I am wondering what benifits I might have by adding a serving or 2 of xtend into the shake. Will the BCAA's still absorb as they would just as taken with water? Would it be better just to take a serving before I have each shake?
I think it would probably spoil the flavor of the shake. The watermelon flavor that I use is so strong I have to mix rasb crystal light with it to make it palatable.
 

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I think it would probably spoil the flavor of the shake. The watermelon flavor that I use is so strong I have to mix rasb crystal light with it to make it palatable.
The Watermelon Scivation flavor is so good! :blink:
 
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Adding Xtend to your shakes would definitely be beneficial and you would still get that large, fast increase in BCAA. Substance + Xtend + Milk + Supercarb sounds like the ideal shake to me.
 

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Adding Xtend to your shakes would definitely be beneficial and you would still get that large, fast increase in BCAA. Substance + Xtend + Milk + Supercarb sounds like the ideal shake to me.
Thanks Beast, just want I wanted to hear. :)
 
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Let me first start off by saying that I have used xtend before, saved up 6 sample packs and used over 2 days and I love the stuff.

But with the outline Derek laid out above, it doesn't make sense financially. There is no way that I could afford a $100 a month just on extend alone.

Derek, how much xtend do use in a month?
 
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About 6 servings a day.

If you look at all the money people spend on unless supplements, I think it does make financial sense to use Xtend given that it actually works. I've stated this before, Xtend + Creatine is really all you need (not counting health supps).



Let me first start off by saying that I have used xtend before, saved up 6 sample packs and used over 2 days and I love the stuff.

But with the outline Derek laid out above, it doesn't make sense financially. There is no way that I could afford a $100 a month just on extend alone.

Derek, how much xtend do use in a month?
 
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Very true...

So math out loud.

2x cardio (45-60min) a week = 10 servings
2x lifting a week = 8 servings
1x lifting/30 minutes cardio a week = 6 servings

Total servings in 1 week = 22 x 4 = 88 servings in a 30 day period.

Servings per container is 90?

Might have to give it a shot and see for a full month.
 

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Let me first start off by saying that I have used xtend before, saved up 6 sample packs and used over 2 days and I love the stuff.

But with the outline Derek laid out above, it doesn't make sense financially. There is no way that I could afford a $100 a month just on extend alone.

Derek, how much xtend do use in a month?
You'd be scared of my supplement bill. :ntome:
 
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About 6 servings a day.

If you look at all the money people spend on unless supplements, I think it does make financial sense to use Xtend given that it actually works. I've stated this before, Xtend + Creatine is really all you need (not counting health supps).
Whew! That's a relief. Since I don't need em, I am going to save tons of money by not buying any other Scivation products! :D
 
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Whew! That's a relief. Since I don't need em, I am going to save tons of money by not buying any other Scivation products! :D
Note I said not counting health supplements, which includes the rest of the Scivation line :twisted:
 

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As I am on a tight budget, what would be the best route to go

1) I take the optimal dose of xtend on workout days, and then take nothing on non workout days?
2) Lower my dose on workout days that way can take a low dose on my non workout days?
 
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(3) Weight training followed by cardio
If you perform cardio after your weight training session, I would recommend increasing your Xtend servings from 3 to 4-6 servings. Add all of the servings to a jug or water bottle and sip throughout your weight training session as usual. Whatever Xtend you did not drink during your workout is to be drunk during your cardio session.
In this example, what about a split dose? By this I mean having bottles, one for lifting and one for cardio with 2 or 3 servings in each. For one, I tend to finish most of it while I'm lifting and I end up not having much left for during cardio. Secondly, I like to mix some simple sugars in with my aminos for when I'm lifting but I prefer just aminos for cardio.
 

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In this example, what about a split dose? By this I mean having bottles, one for lifting and one for cardio with 2 or 3 servings in each. For one, I tend to finish most of it while I'm lifting and I end up not having much left for during cardio. Secondly, I like to mix some simple sugars in with my aminos for when I'm lifting but I prefer just aminos for cardio.
This would be fine. The idea is to have a continuous flow of BCAA's during your entire workout. I may try doing this myself since, like you I tend to finish my X-Tend during my weights and have relatively little left for cardio.
 
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well being that Vitamin World had a sale this month on xtend i stocked up, but i use at least 12 scoops a day, so i cant wait to see you on sat... so i can stock up again :twisted: be forwarned if there is no more xtend when i get there, there will be trouble, trouble !!!:saw:
 

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well being that Vitamin World had a sale this month on xtend i stocked up, but i use at least 12 scoops a day, so i cant wait to see you on sat... so i can stock up again :twisted: be forwarned if there is no more xtend when i get there, there will be trouble, trouble !!!:saw:
Do you mean Vitamin Shoppe? Vitamin World does not carry Scivation products. :D
 
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Yeah I work for vitamin world, but i shop at the shoppe... :lol:also i have been alternating between xtend and USP's ultra secret aminos
 

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Was going to start a new thread but though i would add a little Q in here.

Been very interested in the whole mega-dose BCAA for a while, so done some research lately. It seems that its the Leucine that is particulary beneficial in increasing insulin? If you were to take Xtend regulary would there be an increased chance of insulin sensitvity?
 
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Was going to start a new thread but though i would add a little Q in here.

Been very interested in the whole mega-dose BCAA for a while, so done some research lately. It seems that its the Leucine that is particulary beneficial in increasing insulin? If you were to take Xtend regulary would there be an increased chance of insulin sensitvity?
Here is a little snippet from one of my articles:
Stimulation Of Insulin Secretion, PI3K, & Protein Synthesis By Leucine
  • One pathway through which protein synthesis can be increased is the phosphatodyl-inositol-3-kinase pathway (PI3K). PI3K regulates glucose uptake through GLUT4 translocation and also increases amino acid uptake. Insulin, the body's "storage" hormone, works by activating the PI3K pathway.
    Interestingly, leucine ingestion causes insulin secretion, but leucine can also directly activate PI3K in the absence insulin (Ni****ani et al. 2002), suggesting leucine to have a synergistic role with insulin as a PI3K activator (Layman, 2002). So not only can leucine increase glucose uptake, it can also increase it's own and other amino acids' uptake into cells. These facts suggest that taking additional BCAA with carbohydrates around ones workout will lead to a synergistic increase in glucose and amino acid uptake into skeletal muscle. Leucine can stimulate protein synthesis through insulin secretion and the activation of the PI3K pathway, but can also stimulate protein synthesis through other pathways. "

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Here is a little snippet from one of my articles:
Stimulation Of Insulin Secretion, PI3K, & Protein Synthesis By Leucine
  • One pathway through which protein synthesis can be increased is the phosphatodyl-inositol-3-kinase pathway (PI3K). PI3K regulates glucose uptake through GLUT4 translocation and also increases amino acid uptake. Insulin, the body's "storage" hormone, works by activating the PI3K pathway.
    Interestingly, leucine ingestion causes insulin secretion, but leucine can also directly activate PI3K in the absence insulin (Ni****ani et al. 2002), suggesting leucine to have a synergistic role with insulin as a PI3K activator (Layman, 2002). So not only can leucine increase glucose uptake, it can also increase it's own and other amino acids' uptake into cells. These facts suggest that taking additional BCAA with carbohydrates around ones workout will lead to a synergistic increase in glucose and amino acid uptake into skeletal muscle. Leucine can stimulate protein synthesis through insulin secretion and the activation of the PI3K pathway, but can also stimulate protein synthesis through other pathways. "

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here's a good read

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/full/273/43/28178
 

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Just wondering about the mixability and taste of Xtend. All of the previous BCAA products I have had, I have been displeased with. I understand that BCAA do not mix very well, but some of the ones I have tried in the past essentially stuck to the sides of my water bottles. Seemingly, I would have been better off eating it with a spoon. Regarding taste, which one is more heavily prefered?
Just trying to decide if I want to spend the money or not as the benefits are so strong. Thanks guys.
 
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Size, Xtend will mix but depends on how much water you are mixing with. A guy your size would prob need like 6 scoops in 32 oz of water for it to properly mix. Other than that it will give you great benefits.
 
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Just wondering about the mixability and taste of Xtend. All of the previous BCAA products I have had, I have been displeased with. I understand that BCAA do not mix very well, but some of the ones I have tried in the past essentially stuck to the sides of my water bottles. Seemingly, I would have been better off eating it with a spoon. Regarding taste, which one is more heavily prefered?
Just trying to decide if I want to spend the money or not as the benefits are so strong. Thanks guys.
The watermelon xtend is delicious. I personally can't say enough about how good it tastes. It's not just bearable, it actually tastes very very good. As far as mixability, I mix 6 scoops in a 16oz bb.com water bottle and it's fine. The powder doesn't back up in the mouth piece either.
 

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I LOVE this stuff, it actually dissolves if left in fridge overnight so I don't drink flakes in the morning
the watermelon mixes with the orange SNS CVM Extreme well too.

Size, I use at least 20grams (4scoops) for pre-workout. If you put in a bottle that day or night before, it really dissolves quite a bit. When I use unflavored powder, the stuff is all flaky and floats real bad. This stuff mixes a lot better than even Xtreme Formulations ICE. And the taste is better without so much "tangy" aftertaste.
Buy a small container of each to find your favorite, you won't be sorry. You know I wouldn't bull**** you on supps man, not me, I'm too broke to buy bad stuff.

I find all the Primaforce/Scivation stuff to be awesome, except the Lipid FX bloat, but I got strong.
I'm waiting for an NO product so I can compare to the SNS stuff.
I think SNS and Scivation/Prima are two of the best supp companies out there right now and have most of their stuff in my cupboard.
 

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here you go
4 scoops in 12 oz overnight
out of focus, but you can actually see through it (come on it was 430am)
 

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MAN thanks for that tip will do !!! reps for you too...
 

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Size, I use at least 20grams (4scoops) for pre-workout. If you put in a bottle that day or night before, it really dissolves quite a bit. When I use unflavored powder, the stuff is all flaky and floats real bad. This stuff mixes a lot better than even Xtreme Formulations ICE. And the taste is better without so much "tangy" aftertaste.
Thank you for the feedback CTG. I really do appreciate it b/c I was dreading wasting money on another BCAA that would not mix.
 

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Purchased some watermelon Xtend. Taste is fine and it mixes rather well for BCAA. I look forward to using it.
 

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Hey Derek. Did the serving size change? The large jug is listed on the scivation site as 1035 grams, but the retailers are selling the large jug as 1016.1 grams. BB.com has it listed as 1035 grams as well, but i just got my shipment in yesturday and the jug is 1016.1 grams.
 

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Not trying to be rude, but are you seriosly worried about 18.9 grams less than what the website says?
 

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Not trying to be rude, but are you seriosly worried about 18.9 grams less than what the website says?
No, but i am curious as to why there IS a change in grams.

Edit: I just took my first servings of Xtend with my cardio. So far i'm loving it. My calves would normally be killing me 15 minutes in but i dont feel them at all.

2 servings in about 20oz of water is still a little too sweet for my liking though.
 
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The first few times I ordered xtend it came in the white and purple(grape)/red (watermellon) tub. This time it was black and red. The powder I got in the white tub was white and the powder in the black tub was pinkish. Also, the white powder didn't mix as well. They do taste slightly different. Are they a different formula?
 
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Maybe you guys should have a sale on it......hint hint :D

I'd love to see it below $40 for a change.

The only way to do that is get if from Mike at BN and add your own sugar free kool-aid or get EXCELL from anabolicinnovations for $40 a kilo
 

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The first few times I ordered xtend it came in the white and purple(grape)/red (watermellon) tub. This time it was black and red. The powder I got in the white tub was white and the powder in the black tub was pinkish. Also, the white powder didn't mix as well. They do taste slightly different. Are they a different formula?
According to scivation and other reps, the amount of active ingriedients havent changed. They have switched to a "better" mixing bcaa and they have reduced the amount of flavoring [this is why there's a difference in total grams when you compare the scivation website to the actual supplement container] according to a thread over at bb.com.
 

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