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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yes that is the sides for these types of products. One time a took my G8 and went and did like 18 wheel of death, It almost came true, I just about died.
    Yea I can definitely see an issue with Wheel of death and G8 being a scary experience, lol .. But yea just went with 1/2 scoop last night and today I was good to go, no disorientation, no cloudiness, not feeling anything negative, woke up feeling soooooo charged! Just got back from the gym and I feel awesome! My workout was BADA$$, I dont think this is placebo effect my skin is starting to feel really tight, and the pump i got was amazing... Cleans with 225 felt like nothing & skull crushers with the Olympic bar with 2 Big wheels on each side were not a bad perk either Glad I decided to give this stuff a 2nd go with all the great suggestions out there cant wait to see what this stuff does into weeks 2 & 3..

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    it is pretty good stuff man.

    I wake up and feel refreshed.

    Has ANYONE done 1/3 or 1/2 scoop post workout and a further 1/3 or 1/2 scoop pre bed?

    Cortisol mitigation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    it is pretty good stuff man.

    I wake up and feel refreshed.

    Has ANYONE done 1/3 or 1/2 scoop post workout and a further 1/3 or 1/2 scoop pre bed?

    Cortisol mitigation?
    i mean it could be done during the day (i have), but postWO you would have to avoid carbs, actually food in general
    personally, i think bedtime is all you need - unless you are using for relaxation during day
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    it is pretty good stuff man.

    I wake up and feel refreshed.

    Has ANYONE done 1/3 or 1/2 scoop post workout and a further 1/3 or 1/2 scoop pre bed?

    Cortisol mitigation?
    Very good question, I would be very interested to the results of that one as well... The container's instructions read not to exceed a full scoop in any 24hour interval -So I would think 1/2 scoop POST workout, then 1/2 scoop at bedtime would yield some pretty impressive results! My only thought would be POST workout if you had stuff to do you may feel like going to bed
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    I can avoid eating for half hour after.

    I don't believe in the dogmatic "anabolic window". If I'm hungry ill eat but if not, ill have some BCAAs.
    Ill eat when hungry lol but will get my 4 meals in

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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    I can avoid eating for half hour after.
    try it
    let me know what you think
    i don't preach anabolic window, but do enjoy the way my feedings (ie carbs/fats) are aligned thruout the day, and i enjoy eating following training..we have different goals in mind tho, i understand
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    Half a scoop of G8 gave me one of the best nights of sleep ever, i woke up feeling refreshed without the drowsy feeling which surprised me.
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    t'is a great product...beats the boring old melatonin...

    i notice my sleep cycles seem deeper, not that I can know at that time, but when waking up, im not groggy, i'm eagar to get up, my body feels good (providing I have fed and watered myself properly).

    tonight is my dinner date with Kelley so we are going buffet but gonna stick to a clean meal but just a LOT OF IT lol...leptin reset
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    t'is a great product...beats the boring old melatonin...

    i notice my sleep cycles seem deeper, not that I can know at that time, but when waking up, im not groggy, i'm eagar to get up, my body feels good (providing I have fed and watered myself properly).

    tonight is my dinner date with Kelley so we are going buffet but gonna stick to a clean meal but just a LOT OF IT lol...leptin reset
    ...glad ur sleeping well, n can't wait till tonight....*mouth waters* lol
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    I had some apple crumble pie...so tasty...couldn't help it. Haven't had a cheat meal in almost 3 weeks. Think I earnt it lol


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    Nice, glad you enjoyed it, yeah G8 is pretty amazing stuff. As far as the post workout GH secretion, you want to optimize that drink half a scoop before you start the first set of your last exercise. You should already be beginning to produce the GH spike. The GH spike comes from increase levels of lactic acid. However at a certain point during the workout about 45 minutes in your body starts going more catabolic and the GH surge happens. If you did that and then ate your carbs when you got home there would not be any issue with the surge of GH and you would be giving the IGF-1 created by it some substrate to work with.

    As far as the anabolic window it really isn't so much something you buy into or not, it is something that actually occurs and is proven in science. Exercised induced Muscular GLUT-4 Trans-location is a very real thing where during the post exercise period your Glut-4 receptors are all brought to the surface of the muscle tissue the same as with a large increase of insulin. The big difference is at that time the Glut 4 is not activated in the fat cells so storage is not as likely. This is a great time for a large protein intake with moderate carbs so you get some added insulin and glycogen replenishment without the likely hood of gaining fat. However if you go to crazy on carbs during this time then you can still easily cause yourself to store fat because the insulin levels will be enough to bring the Glut 4 to the surface of the fat cells.
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    ^^ well said

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    This is a great time for a large protein intake with moderate carbs so you get some added insulin and glycogen replenishment without the likely hood of gaining fat. However if you go to crazy on carbs during this time then you can still easily cause yourself to store fat because the insulin levels will be enough to bring the Glut 4 to the surface of the fat cells.
    precisely my thoughts, and why i aim to control insulin/glucose levels at ALL times
    this is paramount imo, for maintaining bodycomp day-in/day-out
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    I can avoid eating for half hour after.

    I don't believe in the dogmatic "anabolic window". If I'm hungry ill eat but if not, ill have some BCAAs.
    Ill eat when hungry lol but will get my 4 meals in

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    I believe in it but I think it's much longer than a hour...

    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Half a scoop of G8 gave me one of the best nights of sleep ever, i woke up feeling refreshed without the drowsy feeling which surprised me.
    Too much = drowsy mornings just over half a scoop is the sweet spot for me. I saw this right away when it first came out and immediately started warning folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Nice, glad you enjoyed it, yeah G8 is pretty amazing stuff. As far as the post workout GH secretion, you want to optimize that drink half a scoop before you start the first set of your last exercise. You should already be beginning to produce the GH spike. The GH spike comes from increase levels of lactic acid. However at a certain point during the workout about 45 minutes in your body starts going more catabolic and the GH surge happens. If you did that and then ate your carbs when you got home there would not be any issue with the surge of GH and you would be giving the IGF-1 created by it some substrate to work with.

    As far as the anabolic window it really isn't so much something you buy into or not, it is something that actually occurs and is proven in science. Exercised induced Muscular GLUT-4 Trans-location is a very real thing where during the post exercise period your Glut-4 receptors are all brought to the surface of the muscle tissue the same as with a large increase of insulin. The big difference is at that time the Glut 4 is not activated in the fat cells so storage is not as likely. This is a great time for a large protein intake with moderate carbs so you get some added insulin and glycogen replenishment without the likely hood of gaining fat. However if you go to crazy on carbs during this time then you can still easily cause yourself to store fat because the insulin levels will be enough to bring the Glut 4 to the surface of the fat cells.
    Again all true but it's a much bigger window than most would think in my opinion. This is more though trial and error for me. Once you got me to try lean gains I was a bit worried but the extra fasting time after the workout seemed to enhance the effect rather than diminish it.
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    Brekky before cricket.

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    8oz lean grass fed steak
    1tablespoon free range aioli
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    Please rate on a scale of 1-5: 1=Strongly Disagree; 2 = Disagree; 3 = Neutral; 4 = Agree; 5 = Strongly Agree
    1) This product was a great source of clean energy... (1-5)
    I dose 2 pre workout, 1 pre lunch.
    Euphoria is awesome and its clean. No issues with headaches and the 3,5 helps too. Keeps the fire burning because of the upregulation of my thyroid output.

    2) This product affected my mood in a positive manner... (1-5) -
    5 outta 5.
    I love PEA and R Beta PEA.

    Simple!!!!


    3) This product helped control my cravings/appetite... (1-5) -
    5
    As I said, I can still eat, but that's the beauty of this product. You want to eat to recover but some products just make you feel sick and don't want to eat for hours post training. Not this one. Feels great to eat after and I know that my energy levels won't drop off.

    4) This product enhanced my mental focus... (1-5)
    I give it 4.5
    I work in a highly educated position and to stay focused for the whole day, after training is a massive bonus. This has been top 3 stim thermogenics I have taken PERIOD. Even though there is a prop blend which I understand why, the PEA feels well dosed and its not to a point where my head can hurt.

    5) This product gave me the jitters... (1-5)
    1
    Enough said

    6) This product helped me lose weight? (1-5)
    I will give this a 4. So far I feel that this product is definitely helping me with the fat. I do eat, but not a massive desire too. Ill eat out of necessity for energy and training purpose. I eat to train, not train to eat.


    7) I really enjoyed this product and would recommend it to friends 5 out of 5 product. I'm foreseeing a great rise of IRISINXD in the future along with Hisperdine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I believe in it but I think it's much longer than a hour...

    Again all true but it's a much bigger window than most would think in my opinion. This is more though trial and error for me. Once you got me to try lean gains I was a bit worried but the extra fasting time after the workout seemed to enhance the effect rather than diminish it.
    The exercise induced GLUT-4 response is pretty much on its way out around the 2 hour mark. Now what that does not change is that insulin sensitivity is still high from the fasting in your case. So when you finally do feed your insulin sensitivity is plenty high and you are able to pack in the nutrients due to that situation since the fasting tends to deplete glycogen levels too, you have a decent amount of glycogen to replenish so you are not overly likely to store fats so long as you are not taking in an excess of saturated fats with the meal. Mono and Poly-Unsaturated fats have to be converted to be stored as fat and that conversion does not start until the muscles or full of glycogen. However saturated fats do not need to be converted to be stored they are already in the form they need to be for storing. This is why you keep seeing Steve mention that you don't want to have too many fats from meats and especially not when you are having a higher carb meal.

    I don't see any issue with fasting then gorging, it is no more catabolic than eating throughout the day however it IS less anabolic than eating all day. The lack of catabolism that makes it work well is excellent but lack of catabolism is not the same thing as anabolism. Both dietary approaches work very well but when trying to gain the most muscle mass, you have to feed the muscles after training. I typically only hit up a protein shake post lifting then eat a little later but I definitely get my nitrogen balance up there immediately after the workout and don't need a bunch of insulin because the exercise induced GLUT-4 trans-location is sucking all nutrients into my muscle anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Please rate on a scale of 1-5: 1=Strongly Disagree; 2 = Disagree; 3 = Neutral; 4 = Agree; 5 = Strongly Agree
    1) This product was a great source of clean energy... (1-5)
    I dose 2 pre workout, 1 pre lunch.
    Euphoria is awesome and its clean. No issues with headaches and the 3,5 helps too. Keeps the fire burning because of the upregulation of my thyroid output.

    2) This product affected my mood in a positive manner... (1-5) -
    5 outta 5.
    I love PEA and R Beta PEA.

    Simple!!!!


    3) This product helped control my cravings/appetite... (1-5) -
    5
    As I said, I can still eat, but that's the beauty of this product. You want to eat to recover but some products just make you feel sick and don't want to eat for hours post training. Not this one. Feels great to eat after and I know that my energy levels won't drop off.

    4) This product enhanced my mental focus... (1-5)
    I give it 4.5
    I work in a highly educated position and to stay focused for the whole day, after training is a massive bonus. This has been top 3 stim thermogenics I have taken PERIOD. Even though there is a prop blend which I understand why, the PEA feels well dosed and its not to a point where my head can hurt.

    5) This product gave me the jitters... (1-5)
    1
    Enough said

    6) This product helped me lose weight? (1-5)
    I will give this a 4. So far I feel that this product is definitely helping me with the fat. I do eat, but not a massive desire too. Ill eat out of necessity for energy and training purpose. I eat to train, not train to eat.


    7) I really enjoyed this product and would recommend it to friends 5 out of 5 product. I'm foreseeing a great rise of IRISINXD in the future along with Hisperdine.
    great review chris!
    i did not realize you were afflicted with jitters. must've missed that one
    huh..interesting, you seem to be anomaly there
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    I think he gave the jitters a 1 rating meaning he had no jitters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattikus View Post
    I think he gave the jitters a 1 rating meaning he had no jitters.
    Correct lol.

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    oh i see, makes sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    oh i see, makes sense
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    PX black is working well...my halfway summary pretty much says it all.

    the PEA is just awesome...i'm very keen to see the end result...pics coming up asap!!!!

    G8, well...that just makes me feel refreshed...its like a flat cordial but 0kcal...and the taste is awesome for me.

    weight is stable and back to where it was...dropped some water after the heavier carb intake...had a bit of icecream last night in gold class movie watching Django Unchained...

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    Feel leaner. Recomp still. 84.4kg
    Up 1kg and hit a net PR today my 1RM bench has gone up to 120kg from 105kg...

    The lower navel...can't friggin lose it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    <img src="http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=75 097"/>

    Feel leaner. Recomp still. 84.4kg
    Up 1kg and hit a net PR today my 1RM bench has gone up to 120kg from 105kg...

    The lower navel...can't friggin lose it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    PX black is working well...my halfway summary pretty much says it all.
    indeed
    Django Unchained...
    IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, GO AND DAMN WELL SEE IT...insanely good movie.
    hmm..meanwhile, i watched Seven Psychopaths last night....insanely, uh, weird movie
    (i like christopher walken tho)

    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Feel leaner. Recomp still. 84.4kg
    Up 1kg and hit a net PR today my 1RM bench has gone up to 120kg from 105kg...
    oh nice!
    for all you non-aussies, that would be ~33lb increase in 1rm


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    You look great , that PR is awesome!
    ahhh..you always have such nice things to say
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    Feel leaner. Recomp still. 84.4kg
    Up 1kg and hit a net PR today my 1RM bench has gone up to 120kg from 105kg...

    The lower navel...can't friggin lose it...

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    Its definitely a tough place to lose fat from. Always the last to go for me along with my lower back.

    Congrats on the PR too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post

    Its definitely a tough place to lose fat from. Always the last to go for me along with my lower back.

    Congrats on the PR too!
    Lower back too...struggle...

    Thx bro. Felt amazing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post

    ahhh..you always have such nice things to say
    i think you're just biased

    Haha I might be a little biased, but I believe that he deserves every kind word and compliment, as he works so hard and always gives 110% ... It shows in his continuously awesome results, and the photo and the PR reaffirms this
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    Quote Originally Posted by runnerschick View Post

    Haha I might be a little biased, but I believe that he deserves every kind word and compliment, as he works so hard and always gives 110% ... It shows in his continuously awesome results, and the photo reaffirms this
    Biased opinion =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post

    Biased opinion =)

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    Haha never....
    ...congrats on reaching new goals, in all seriousness, u deserve all the admiration for ur damn hard work, n for inspiring everybody here to work our asses off too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post

    Biased opinion =)

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    Pretty good opinion based on fact though, yeah? He he
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    Pr!! Woo woo woo! Man give me some of them abs I have a keg still lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packers6211 View Post
    Pr!! Woo woo woo! Man give me some of them abs I have a keg still lol.
    I'd kill for abs like his too lol...but a girl version obviously...lol
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    Thanks Pack...

    Enjoying this run very much...PRs on slightly under maintenance kcals but strength increases...can't ask for much more...

    Just a massive thanks to Jay who has helped me.

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    I need some help lol. I am that close to meth not really I work for Homeland Security lol love my family just getting upset with weight loss. I was doing so good as you know already i had lost 70lbs in the last 3 years and then in Jan it was like my m.etabolism slowed again
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    Lookin' lean runner! I suspect you always stay somewhat lean as active as you are and with a name like runner lol. I finally see what you guys have been raving about, come check it out! - Fat is whack! So Matt's on PX Black! Goin' SUB 10% B*TCHES :)


    Quote Originally Posted by packers6211 View Post
    I need some help lol. I am that close to meth not really I work for Homeland Security lol love my family just getting upset with weight loss. I was doing so good as you know already i had lost 70lbs in the last 3 years and then in Jan it was like my m.etabolism slowed again
    Packers, PX Black will boost that metabolism right back up man. Def follow these logs and you will see the light
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    Quote Originally Posted by runnerschick View Post
    It shows in his continuously awesome results, and the half noodz reaffirms this
    i, uh, understand

    Quote Originally Posted by packers6211 View Post
    I need some help lol. I am that close to meth


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    The light is clear lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    i, uh, understand



    this

    What the? That's not what my post said originally???? What does half noods mean? *confused* lol
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    Ohhh got it..... Lol...blonde moment ill admit haha.
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