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    Mine get a little impingement with the behind the head press so I stop at the top of my neck / bottom of skull. Most of the time I limit my weight on these either using them during my drop sets or with higher rep training.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Mine get a little impingement with the behind the head press so I stop at the top of my neck / bottom of skull. Most of the time I limit my weight on these either using them during my drop sets or with higher rep training.
    yes very common in other ppl, from what i have seen
    i do not teach my trainees to do this, and would never advise it..if someone sees me do it and they try it, i caution them on the weight they should use
    kind of like a "do not try this at home" type thing, but it has always worked for me
    just how i learned to do it back as a teenager
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    Just goes to show what small differences in joint and bone structure to to the way a body is meant to move. Everyone is individual.
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    my postWO meal today..
    so basically when i carb-up for preWO and then consume dextrose intra, if i also have simple carbs in my postWO shake, then 30-45min later or so i will switch gears and have higher fat intake and reduced carbs for the postWO meal..
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    Nice and no need to carb after if you carb intra good thinking!
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    Do you do carbs intra starting about 30 minutes after you start lifting so you still get the GH secretion from the lift?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Nice and no need to carb after if you carb intra good thinking!
    exactly

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    Do you do carbs intra starting about 30 minutes after you start lifting so you still get the GH secretion from the lift?
    off the top let me say - i do not necessarily espouse the practice of intraWO carbs at all
    in fact, is not a regular practice of mine - but rather something i utilize at strategic timeframes
    but to answer your question, yes 20-30min into the workout, and the other component of this is when i am working out for a longer time period than usual
    if doing my (more usual) shorter, 30-40min w/o, then i will have no intraWO shake..
    i may follow this with carb-laden postWO shake..or, i may follow with EAA mixture for postWO shake (or BCAA+SAA currently), then wait 15-30min and follow with carb-laden postWO meal

    again - lots of different things i may do, depending on various factors
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Do you do carbs intra starting about 30 minutes after you start lifting so you still get the GH secretion from the lift?
    Intra carbs ? I would need a nap....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post

    Intra carbs ? I would need a nap....
    Same. I do 5g BCAA and beta alanine and creatine intra.

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    I don't to intra carbs but currently doing post work out cell shock+slinshot it's a great combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Intra carbs ? I would need a nap....
    35-50g dextrose or similar simple?
    no you wouldn't
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    35-50g dextrose or similar simple?
    no you wouldn't
    lol carbs make me sleepy sometimes but not with only that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    lol carbs make me sleepy sometimes but not with only that much.
    is all in the application my friend
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    is all in the application my friend
    Yah that's why I like my carbs late in the day. When you gorge naptime is very near so it's a good way to get to sleep.
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    beast of a meal for dinner tonight..mmmmmmmm


    5oz 93% lean ground turkey
    9oz chicken breast
    salad w/ fixins
    1/2 serving rice cakes (love this flav)
    ~625 cals

    was off day from training, carbs lowered to ~150g, total cals will be ~3k this day
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    Interesting I may need to get some of these around my house. I always forget about rice cakes and stuff for carbs. Then again I love my bagels and oats...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Interesting I may need to get some of these around my house. I always forget about rice cakes and stuff for carbs. Then again I love my bagels and oats...
    Carbs are easy to leave out.

    Meat, veggies and some olive oil...easy peasy

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Interesting I may need to get some of these around my house. I always forget about rice cakes and stuff for carbs. Then again I love my bagels and oats...
    oats okay..bagels bro, no no

    Quote Originally Posted by runner_79 View Post
    Carbs are easy to leave out.

    Meat, veggies and some olive oil...easy peasy
    absolutely
    i could go down to <50g carbs on an off day if i wanted (and do), if it was ALL about shedding some bf
    alas, i have other intentions in mind, lean is but a component!
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    Yah I need to add some carbs on my workout days .. flavoured rice cakes sound good. I thnk maybe for treats on refeeds as well.
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    Haven't tried those rice cakes yet...seen them before but may have to pick them up.
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    My wife eats rice cakes and I have tried them but I feel like I'm eating styrofoam. Yuck If I'm eating carbs it's going to be tasty. Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Haven't tried those rice cakes yet...seen them before but may have to pick them up.
    they're the same thing as the old Quakes, quaker just streamlined the product line and call them all "popped" now..
    tasty lil devils




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    i don't need to push energy since i'll be in front of my computer all day, not leaving the house

    DreamWeaver blowing that stupid arctic crap my way, chilling me out
    my garage is a lil cold this morning, -20 at 7am here
    could still work out if i wanted, but don't feel like battling the elements or jacking up the heat out there

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    My wife eats rice cakes and I have tried them but I feel like I'm eating styrofoam. Yuck If I'm eating carbs it's going to be tasty. Lol
    try the flavored bro..no styro taste, trust me
    is like a treat
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    try the flavored bro..no styro taste, trust me
    is like a treat
    Bbq flavour ftw

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    So you are anti whole grain bagel (50 grams carbs 8 grams fiber) as a post workout carb source? I can see why not for any other time of day but figured that would not be a bad time to add that in. Wait aren't your McSnag breakfast things on a bagel? I know you are much leaner than me and can get away with those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    So you are anti whole grain bagel (50 grams carbs 8 grams fiber) as a post workout carb source? I can see why not for any other time of day but figured that would not be a bad time to add that in. Wait aren't your McSnag breakfast things on a bagel? I know you are much leaner than me and can get away with those things.
    again, lotta qualifiers here bro
    anti-whole grain? mmm i'm definitely not pro-whole whole grain, and only during postWO usually, and of course breakfast..

    i really have no absolute use for whole grains ..you want to use them postWO, sure go ahead, use regular bagels for that matter, doesn't matter, all in perspective
    i pick my spots to eat grains, most generally
    bagel for Egg McSnag, maybe once bro in the last couple months..not something i do often at all, usually it's Ezekiel or 15-grain, lately actually has been a nice sourdough, top-notch
    (bagel does tastes pretty damn good when used tho haha)

    for you & your current goals, eh..you have to make that call man
    me personally, if i was focusing on just fat-loss, then i would eliminate postWO shake and all carbs, and run a low-carb / every 3rd day hi-carb last meal rotation

    eishh..maybe i am confusing you!
    srs i have so many variables i can pull out for myself right now, makes it hard to translate to you and stay in the same context as what you are trying to do..my days of just advising a pre-set "plan x" or whatever are basically done

    i understand, you are focusing on some muscle-building too..best i can say, utilize beverly principles like we both used to in the old days, and you know you can't go wrong
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    For grains I am liking the mult-grains the heavier the better, I like me some bread with some weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    again, lotta qualifiers here bro
    anti-whole grain? mmm i'm definitely not pro-whole whole grain, and only during postWO usually, and of course breakfast..

    i really have no absolute use for whole grains ..you want to use them postWO, sure go ahead, use regular bagels for that matter, doesn't matter, all in perspective
    i pick my spots to eat grains, most generally
    bagel for Egg McSnag, maybe once bro in the last couple months..not something i do often at all, usually it's Ezekiel or 15-grain, lately actually has been a nice sourdough, top-notch
    (bagel does tastes pretty damn good when used tho haha)

    for you & your current goals, eh..you have to make that call man
    me personally, if i was focusing on just fat-loss, then i would eliminate postWO shake and all carbs, and run a low-carb / every 3rd day hi-carb last meal rotation

    eishh..maybe i am confusing you!
    srs i have so many variables i can pull out for myself right now, makes it hard to translate to you and stay in the same context as what you are trying to do..my days of just advising a pre-set "plan x" or whatever are basically done

    i understand, you are focusing on some muscle-building too..best i can say, utilize beverly principles like we both used to in the old days, and you know you can't go wrong
    that stuff is fool-proof brother..
    go with what you know works for you
    Okay yeah I was a little surprised when we were chatting the other day and you recommended 2 30-40 gram carb meals after the recovery shake. I have done very well with the diet you mentioned plus a shake or oats following the workouts. As you mentioned I should go back to what I know works for me in my current goals. I can play with adding a few smaller carb meals in after I drop the weight I want. As for now I am going back to low carb other than some blueberries and grapefruit, and of course whatever tags along with almonds and green veggies. Will do a carb up on Wednesday and Saturday nights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Okay yeah I was a little surprised when we were chatting the other day and you recommended 2 30-40 gram carb meals after the recovery shake.
    no no bro - 2 of those meals yes, but not after recovery shake
    see it's all in the application (and of course yes, timing)
    and also, depends on when in the day you work out
    ie if you train following first or second meal of the day, have one of those carb meals for breakfast
    then, if training after breakfast, you'll have that shake, then no/low carb postWO meal, then place second carb meal wherever (typically i would place this following postWO meal), then you're done w/ carbs (except for trace) for the day
    you could also wait and have those carbs with dinner later in day..your choice
    if traininig after second meal, same basic set-up, second meal needs no carbs
    you see?
    and again - really, postWO shake w/ carbs can be totally eliminated if you choose, and you just take your (complex) carbs and place them wherever in the day you see fit (like breakfast/midday/supper), no carbs anywhere else..
    I have done very well with the diet you mentioned plus a shake or oats following.
    in the grand scheme of things, you WILL do well on that basic guideline, irregardless of where you place carb meals..there is still value to overall consumption for the day, but i feel there is even greater value/multiplied result in strategic placement
    As you mentioned I should go back to what I know works for me in my current goals. I can play with adding a few smaller carb meals in after I drop the weight I want. As for now I am going back to low carb other than some blueberries and grapefruit, and of course whatever tags along with almonds and green veggies. Will do a carb up on Wednesday and Saturday nights.
    nice
    that will quite obviously work as well, as you have been there, done that already
    sorry man, don't mean to confuse!
    my thought process is into my own individual variances right now..shuffling as many factors as i am currently, i cannot duplicate this for someone else -- unless you are in my mind with me!

    you will be fine bro, you have a good plan and a great understanding of what you need to do
    now go get it!
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    I think you have a perfect layout there for some clean recomp. I did well before when I added 2 1/2 cup servings of oats to that mix with no post workout shake just the protein and 1/2 cup oats. For now I want to induce a tiny bit of ketosis, get the body burning fat preferentially for energy then slowly add carbs back in.

    By the way I workout out first thing in the morning with no food on my stomach, I take about 15 grams of aminos and 7 grams L-Glutamine pre workout to give my body something to work with during the lift. With the new layout it will be a couple scoops of isolate and a half grapefruit post workout. That will supply a mild insulin response and take advantage of the glut -4 translocation caused by the resistance exercise. Second meal on will be Protein and fats. I wil have one more serving of either 1/2 grapefruit or 3/4 cup blueberries during the day. So carbs will be low but they will not be nonexistent. Should pull this fat off post haste. Once the abs are showing again I will begin bringing some carbs back in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    By the way I workout out first thing in the morning with no food on my stomach
    ahhh i see..don't think you mentioned that in our talk? in any event, shame on me for not asking
    well in that case......
    ahahaa, no not gonna go there, throw you off-track some more lol
    but, i do have a certain fondness (and a recipe) for fasted upon rising training, utilize every once in awhile mostly with fat-loss in mind (but sometimes just for the hell of it, or when my schedule calls for it)
    you have the purrfekt product with which to use in BCAA+SAA for this scheme..with that in mind, and if you are following bev-type guidelines, stick to <100g daily (i would still place majority in postWO meal ie breakfast for you) and that third-day carb-up rotation and you will do awesome
    anyway, you'll figure it out..looking forward to LeanKleen in no time
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    Sounds good to me. My other contest prep diet recommended 50 grams post workout then very low carb the rest of the day. It came up to close to 100grams carb total with the post workout carbs included. Seems we are normally on the same guidelines there, plus the 50 would only be on the 3 days I am lifting right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Sounds good to me. My other contest prep diet recommended 50 grams post workout then very low carb the rest of the day. It came up to close to 100grams carb total with the post workout carbs included. Seems we are normally on the same guidelines there, plus the 50 would only be on the 3 days I am lifting right now.
    nice, sounds purrrrrrrfekt bro, i like it





    got my legs in yesterday, nice lil patented session
    i'd been doing leg extension leading off quadwork for awhile, changing things up..went back to leading off w/ squats, enjoy the change (again)
    5x15/12/10/8/8 ATG BB squats
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    3x15/12/8 RDLs
    5x20/20/18/15/15 standing BB calf raises (alternating toes straight/in/out)

    nice lil session

    off day today, had to take care of crap

    back at it again tomorrow
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    dinner tonight



    10oz 93% grilled turkey
    4oz Hormel oven roasted/smoked turkey breast slices (all natty/no preservatives)
    romaine salad w/ 2 TBS olive oil/balsamic vinaigrette mix, croutons
    ~640cals

    made the switch today to my olive oil/balsamic mix, instead of the bleu cheese i been using
    usually only use this in precontest, but ima shaking things up..
    strongly considering the move to the "next step" in dietary discretion for me - that being, total gluten-free fare
    i already eat pretty low-gluten anyway, but i am interested in going all the way, see what it brings...

    that Hormel meat is pretty damn killer, great taste, i can tell a difference from other deli meats



    other than that - since i'm looking gluten-free lifestyle, and i had crazy things to take care of today (day started off badly when i left my ignition in ACC mode, awoke with dead battery, had to charge and was already late for shyt) - was on the go, mauled some Subway chipotle chicken footlong on flatbread (golly those are swell)..wth better enjoy it while i can before i toss gluten..croutons gotta go too..

    been hungry all day..cals will approach 4k by time this day is over, on an off-day

    should make for a great training session in the morn
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    nice, sounds purrrrrrrfekt bro, i like it





    got my legs in yesterday, nice lil patented session
    i'd been doing leg extension leading off quadwork for awhile, changing things up..went back to leading off w/ squats, enjoy the change (again)
    5x15/12/10/8/8 ATG BB squats
    3 set leg extensions (20/20/20) ss w/ lying leg curls (15/12/8)
    3x15/12/8 RDLs
    5x20/20/18/15/15 standing BB calf raises (alternating toes straight/in/out)

    nice lil session

    off day today, had to take care of crap

    back at it again tomorrow
    Can't wait to change things back to more bodybuilding style. I feel I have to get these power wo's in a couple times a year for about 5 weeks.
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    ok...done and done.... I am going to start stalking any and all threads you FinFlex guys are in. There is sooo much knowledge dropped on a daily basis that it is literally "cool." That and the food porn is outstanding!


    oh, and subbed.
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    ^^^^this. These reps are some great guys. Always willing to help lifters improve. They are also all over the different forums here and not just in the Finaflex products sections.
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    @mustang0341 - welcome my freind!

    @kenpo - thank you! appeciated!


    i come to the forums this morning with a heavy heart
    Federer has lost to Murray at the Australian
    sad times

    wow what a great match tho, so much back & forth

    now - to take my angst to the weightroom with me and burn it off
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    Did you play Tennis competitively? I don't know anyone who really "LIKES" tennis. I want it from time to time but only big matches. But I do love golf and watch the majors like it is a naked lady. But you are a serious fan.
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    nope, was baseball player
    watched tennis here & there growing up, could never play it too swell, so never really picked up the game till my 30s, when the ex-wife (only sport she plays) got me out there with her
    it just grew on me, was very challenging at first (i sink my teeth into challenges lol) so then i started studying the players and more of what makes the sport, the proper moves..footwork..etc
    just became something i really, really enjoyed - and i enjoy the watching the pros immensely

    conversely - i hate golf, never been good (lefty i am, slice everything)
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