This thread is designed to act as a Q & A for FINAFLEX EPI-V. So please direct any and all questions for this product here and I will be more than happy to answer them.
I would have to agree with you completely my friend! I do believe a product containing epistane could increase a person's risk of prostate cancer. It is a good thing our product does not contain epistane! But thank you, I definitely think it serves as a good warning to the risks involved in taking a product with epistane. Good looking out!From eveything I've read Epi targets ER Beta receptors. Moreover, ER Beta receptors have an antiprolific effect on prostate cells. Therefore the usage of epi products could increase a persons risk of prostate cancrer. Would you agree?
They are both great products and either choice can work! Obviously I would rather you choose our product! If you were to choose our FINAFLEX 1-ANDRO, you can fight the lethargy with a good energy booster/fat burner, Hey... how about PRO XANTHINE 500XT? Or, if you were looking to go down the path of the "Dark Side" aka. AndroMass, then you could block the estrogenic effects by taking FINAFLEX's PCT REVOLUTION & PURE TEST both with it and after it as a post cycle. Options, options!!I'm debating on whether to try your 1-andro or PP's new AndroMass. I like the 1-Andro since it doesn't convert to estrogen or DHT but lethergy is a big problem with this product. AndroMass has 4-DHEA to offset the lethergy problem but it can convert to estorgen and DHT. 4-DHEA also makes the stack more effective. Decisions, decisions.
That is awesome, I am glad you like it, have you had the chance to try our CELL SHOCK yet? CELL SHOCK is another really great product of ours and it is brand new!I tried your NO Ignite and it was a great product.
I think that 400-600 1-Andro is plenty effective from my personal use, not sure about the bioavailability. As far as any sublingual ever being 100% bioavailable, I doubt it as well!I've read where 1-Andro needs to be dosed at 600-800mg to be effective and that typical bioavailability is only about 15%. What effect does the addition of DHB have on overall absorption? AMS claims that their sublingual is 100% bioavailable, although I'm a bit dubious.
Dosage and sides are the same as from 1-Andro, so the same precautions need to be taken! I would wait a min. of 4 weeks after finishing your PCT before starting a new cycle of any prohormone! I would also run a liver/kidney shield/detox, either during or after your next cycle! How I would run the EPI-V is 4 caps a day (2 caps twice a day) for 4-6 weeks, I would also be taking PURE TEST, ALC + CLA, & PRO-XANTHINE to keep your Testosterone high and to get totally SHREDDED!!!also what about the sides?
Yes, that is what EPI-V is designed for, ripping and toning up. I would throw an additional fat-burning combination into the mix as well if you want to speed up/maximize your results in the least amount of time. Example: take (6) ALC + CLA's a day (non stimulant based fat-burner) and (2) Pro-Xanthine's a day (stimulant based fat-burner).OK, so is Finaflex Epi-v good for toning up. I am 6ft 196lbs >25% body fat. I workout 3 days a week, with 30 min cardio sessions. I have a clean diet. I want to get toned and ripped. I have never taken any supplements before.
From what I understand, I should try Finaflex Epi-v for 40days, I will run 2 pills for the first week, then 3 pills after. Then follow by the PCT after the cycle? Love to hear the feedback.
For now I will get the ALC + CLA and give it a try. Should I take the alc+cla together with the EPI-V or should they be taken at different intervals?Yes, that is what EPI-V is designed for, ripping and toning up. I would throw an additional fat-burning combination into the mix as well if you want to speed up/maximize your results in the least amount of time. Example: take (6) ALC + CLA's a day (non stimulant based fat-burner) and (2) Pro-Xanthine's a day (stimulant based fat-burner).
It really doesn't matter if you take them at the same time or not! What I always like to do is to split my doses up, no matter what I am taking. For example... You said you were going to start off with 2 caps of EPI-V, right? Well take 1 cap of EPI-V in the morning with 2 pills of ALC + CLA, then sometime around mid-day (different for different sleep schedules) take the other EPI-V and 2 more ALC + CLA's, then sometime shortly before bed, take the final 2 ALC + CLA's. I do this so I have a pretty constant supply in my body at all times and that way I don't just digest, absorb what I need and excrete the rest as waist, when a few hours later, my body might be ready to absorb more, that is my way of thinking on everything to be honest with you. The reason why I am having you do the 2nd EPI-V around mid-day instead of before bed is because it has stimulants in it and I don't want them to mess with your sleep.For now I will get the ALC + CLA and give it a try. Should I take the alc+cla together with the EPI-V or should they be taken at different intervals?
I can't possibly answer your question without knowing your workout regiment and diet. I mean I don't know how you lift, your body part split per week, your intensity / rep range, what you consider dieting, are you doing cardio and at what intensity, etc. etc. etc.Well Today is Day 1. I hope this thing works. When should I start to see results? I know how I would look if I kept running and lifting after a week naturally. So what changes should I start to notice first.
One a regular natural diet I lose about 1lb a week while working out. So, should I start losing 2lbs a week with this? Remember I am above >25% body fat, so I should lose a lot of weight as it correlates to my body fat.
Incredible product, my favorite FINAFLEX product in our line-up today!Just had two of these added to my PCT Black order
Are you on HRT? If a 12 week cycle, I wouldn't want to take DHT that long although I see you have less hair in the after pics :wink1: If at all I might do an 8 week cycle of this product with some test in a few months and see how things go.Incredible product, my favorite FINAFLEX product in our line-up today!
Here is me before and after a 12 week cycle (mind you I was on a perfect diet and doing 1hr cardio/day on top of my 5day/week lifting schedule)
BEFORE
AFTER
Can you see that smile on my face... Yeah.. I was pleased with my results!!!
Here ya go bro, this should give you a blow by blow... all the detailed information you need to show you how I went from point A (fat) to point B (ripped). As you will see, I run pretty detailed logs of what I am doing, a big reason why REDEFINE NUTRITION was so willing to give me this job as their official online REP!Are you on HRT? If a 12 week cycle, I wouldn't want to take DHT that long although I see you have less hair in the after pics :wink1: If at all I might do an 8 week cycle of this product with some test in a few months and see how things go.
Thank you, liking the log so farHere ya go bro, this should give you a blow by blow... all the detailed information you need to show you how I went from point A (fat) to point B (ripped). As you will see, I run pretty detailed logs of what I am doing, a big reason why REDEFINE NUTRITION was so willing to give me this job as their official online REP!
I was not a REP for them when I made this log, I was just an official beta-tester, as in I came up with an awesome cycle of what I wanted to run and promised to do a step by step, day by day, every body part, every exercise, every rep, every calorie, every supplement, taking weekly body measurements and progress pictures, etc. Their response to me was that if I was willing to buy the products myself and maintain this log as accurately as I promised, they promised to reimburse me for any and all products I purchased, as well as pay me for 12 weeks of hard work and detailed log keeping, then what do you know, they offered me a job as the official online REP! (True Story)
The log that started it all, LOL...http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/158447-12-wk-pre.html
Just spent a good chunk of my morning drinking coffee, eating fruitloops and reading your log. That was a kickass, motivating log with INSANE results. I gotta say I mildly doubted the outcome for 3 months and the final results were freakin ridiculous. More incentive for me to win the egg eating contest to get me some of those products!Here ya go bro, this should give you a blow by blow... all the detailed information you need to show you how I went from point A (fat) to point B (ripped). As you will see, I run pretty detailed logs of what I am doing, a big reason why REDEFINE NUTRITION was so willing to give me this job as their official online REP!
I was not a REP for them when I made this log, I was just an official beta-tester, as in I came up with an awesome cycle of what I wanted to run and promised to do a step by step, day by day, every body part, every exercise, every rep, every calorie, every supplement, taking weekly body measurements and progress pictures, etc. Their response to me was that if I was willing to buy the products myself and maintain this log as accurately as I promised, they promised to reimburse me for any and all products I purchased, as well as pay me for 12 weeks of hard work and detailed log keeping, then what do you know, they offered me a job as the official online REP! (True Story)
The log that started it all, LOL...http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/158447-12-wk-pre.html
Thank you Brotha... I must say that I had a very strict training regiment and diet. I am in no way claiming it was product alone, but if you read my log, you will see that I not only dropped all that fat, but actually gained lean muscle in the process and that my friend was more than proof enough that EPI-V not only worked, but worked well!!!Just spent a good chunk of my morning drinking coffee, eating fruitloops and reading your log. That was a kickass, motivating log with INSANE results. I gotta say I mildly doubted the outcome for 3 months and the final results were freakin ridiculous. More incentive for me to win the egg eating contest to get me some of those products!
Yeah there was a ****load of hard work in that log. The muscle maintained and added was a selling feature for me. Everytime I cut I get lanky and lose muscle fast! WHEN I win this contest I am planning on picking up the rest of the needed supps that you ran in your log. Those before and after pics go along ways with grabbing attention.Thank you Brotha... I must say that I had a very strict training regiment and diet. I am in no way claiming it was product alone, but if you read my log, you will see that I not only dropped all that fat, but actually gained lean muscle in the process and that my friend was more than proof enough that EPI-V not only worked, but worked well!!!
Good Luck with the Egg eating contest, I know you already know from your previous attempt, 10 eggs is going to be crazy hard to beat! I mean I'm right there with you, I got 8 down and honestly don't think even if I practiced every day that I could beat 10!
Thank you and good luck Bro, I mean we used Grade A Large not XL's in our little contest and I only got 8 eggs, all the power to you, but remember, you need 11 to beet it, 10 only ties it and I give it to the first person who gets the highest number of eggs, no ties! But no worries, I have faith in you, you can do this, it is a mental thing... just think... 1 egg every 5 seconds gives you 12 eggs!!!Yeah there was a ****load of hard work in that log. The muscle maintained and added was a selling feature for me. Everytime I cut I get lanky and lose muscle fast! WHEN I win this contest I am planning on picking up the rest of the needed supps that you ran in your log. Those before and after pics go along ways with grabbing attention.
Oh, and as for the eggs... I bought large and compared them to the XL i ate.. should be able to stuff atleast 10 into my fat mouth. lol
Hey no problem, believe me I had people claiming it was not possible, that I was heavier/higher body fat than I was claiming, that no one could lose that much body fat and preserve that much muscle in that time frame, etc. etc. I just did my best to keep the most accurate log as possible, all the while, trained and dieted my F@cking A$$ off and took FINAFLEX products. As I have said a million times before and will say a million times again... Do I believe that everything I achieved came from taking FINAFLEX products, that they are some kind of magic potions? HELL NO, I worked my A$$ of to get those results, but I will say this, without the assistance of FINAFLEX, there is no way in HELL that I would have preserved, much less gained 1Lb of lean muscle like I did, and that was more than enough proof for me that it is a stand-up product and has my vote!!!I'd like to see some mid progress pics. frankly your transformation is so extreme I can't be sure its you.
I just checked your log. Awesome work. I stand corrected.
I would say the answer to that question lies within you "young Grass-Hoppa" What I mean is it depends on what your ultimate goals are? I am sure you have looked at my 12wk pre-contest log I have linked to on this thread on like 2-3 occasions, well I did 6 weeks of 1-ANDRO and then 6 weeks of EPI-V. My goal was to lose as much weight and retain as much muscle as possible in 12 weeks, the reason why I split them up is because as minimum as it might be, the 1-ANDRO will add a little water, so if you are skinny, no worries a little water is good for you, but if you are heavyset, then excess water can make all the difference in the world to how you look. So why did I even take the 1-ANDRO at all, two reasons: 1) I knew I wanted to run 12 weeks worth of anabolics, they might look the same if you look at the back label, but they are not, the alpha in the EPI-V ingredient changes it to a completely different compound with different effects and different receptor sites, so knowing this... 2) I took the 1-ANDRO when I was in the first 6 wks of my dieting down where I was less concerned with water retention, then switched over to EPI-V for the final 6 wks so I would be as lean and hard at the end of the entire 12 week cycle. If I wasn't trying to be ridiculous and get competition ready in record time and did just one normal cycle, I would have just done the EPI-V with my build/genetics. I mean what can I say... it works for me.I was doing some reading on another side and the results from EPI-V were pretty significant that I decided I wanted to try i, then a friend of mine said that he heard that if you bot 1-Andro and EPI-V together you can have pretty good results. So my question is; is it ok to take an 8 week cycle with both of them or would it be better to do a 4 week with 1-Andro and then a 4 week with EPI-V? Any help would be great.
No... I am confused! What have I said in the past that might lead you to think that?I might have missed the answer, but are you on HRT?
Whatsaroid asked you near the top of the page if you were and you did not answer that part of his question. I feel that results may have been skewed if you were on HRT due to consistent testosterone levels, which is why I asked.No... I am confused! What have I said in the past that might lead you to think that?
Oh, my bad, I didn't mean to avoid that question, must not have caught it when I read it! No, I am not on any sort of HRT (hormone replacement therapy). I have taken other things in my past, but during the run of that log I wasn't taking any additional products other than the FINAFLEX products I listed. I agree completely, if I were, it would most definitely skew my results!Whatsaroid asked you near the top of the page if you were and you did not answer that part of his question. I feel that results may have been skewed if you were on HRT due to consistent testosterone levels, which is why I asked.
Not sure if it was the 1st 6 weeks on the 1-ANDRO or the 2nd 6 weeks on the EPI-V, but for the last 4 of the 12 week cut phase, Labido was non-existant. Thank you Cialis and Viagra for saving my marriage, LoLGood to hear. I want to run Epi-V for 2 months, how was your libido? Need to perform haha
Which one are you taking 3 x's a day? I personally do not think you should take either the PRO-XANTHINE or EPI-V in the evening time as it can and probably will mess up your sleep and that is a very important time of muscle recovery and growth that you really don't want to mess with, not to mention... not getting enough sleep at night feels like $hit!hey scottydoc i have a question. im a new member and new to the finafelx family.
i am taking epi-v and pro xanthine together. i was told to take them 3 times a day (morning, afternoon, and evening right before the gym). is this too much to take in one day? should i cut it down to twice a day? i am also taking no ignite 15 mins before my workoust session. just wondering what your toughts are. appreciate the info.
With EPI-V, I would up it a cap a day (4 caps/day total) split it up at least twice. With PRO XANTHINE, well that again depends on your tolerance, if you are doing fine with 3 a day, sure keep it that way, just make sure your 3rd dose is at least 8hrs before bed and you should be fine if you are used to stims, you will know if you can't sleep and then my recommendation is to drop down a pill or just 2 caps in the morning and 1 around mid day, that is what worked best for me personally, remember everyone and their body's are different, so what works incredible for me, might not work well for another, typically I find that heavyset easy gainers, but hard losers like myself all seem to be similar, but sometimes as similar as we might be, others are more or less sensitive to stims than others, see how difficult it can be to give exact advice when concerning a stimulant based fat-burner. This is why I always advise starting off slow and gradually picking up speed!i was told to take both of them 3 times a day. so it would be 1 epi-v and 1 pro xanthine 3x a day. it would work out to 1 and 1 at 9am. 1 and 1 at around 1pm. 1 and 1 around 8pm which is right before i would go to the gym and take no ignite. i have taken stimulants in the past 3 months. i was on animal cuts in Febuaray. so i would say my tolerance is in the mid range. it just seems like taking both of these 3x a day is to much especially that last dose being very close to the end of day and right before i would drink no ignite. im thinking about cutting out the 3rd dose and just taking them 2x a day. im guessing morning and evening around 4 pm. what do you think?
Wait??? You are taking a PRO-XANTHINE mid evening (4pm)? What time do you go to bed and is it not affecting your sleep? I mean the EPI-V sounds like a good dose as it has way less stims in it than our PRO-XANTHINE! All I will say is just be careful not to mess with your sleep cycles, I mean lack of sleep can hinder your lean muscle gains, when you sleep is when all your muscle building and recovery takes place, but like I always say, you may know your body and tolerances better than I do, I just warn caution in taking stims too late in the day, please be careful, just looking out for you Bro!thanks scotty that helped a lot.
i broke it down to 4 epi-v a day. 1 in the morning 1 in the afternoon and 2 before i go to the gym and 3 pro-xanthine a day. 1 in the morning 1 in the afternoon and then another 1 mid evening (4pm).
On non lifting days should i still take the same dosage or should i cut it down since im not working out?
OK, I have two suggestions for you my friend. 1) Since you didn't put on a single Lb of fat while gaining muscle on 1-ANDRO, I would place you in the hard-gainer, but easy-loss category. Meaning it is easier for you to lose fat and remain lean than it is to pack on muscle! With that being said, I would increase your calories even more while on the EPI-V. But make sure you increase them with more protein than anything of course. 2) As far as the water is concerned, I would increase your water. I cannot remember the exact break-down of liters to gallons, but when I'm on a serious cut I always do my absolute best to try and down 3 gallons or as close as humanly possible. If you do those two things, you might only put on about half as much lean muscle gains as you did with the 1-ANDRO, but even with the increase calories, you should get much leaner and harder, I'm talking veiny, onion skin, pre-contest kind of look if you are already below 10%, which from what you said you are there, right? If I am wrong with my assumptions, please correct me and I'll do my best to re-calculate a new plan to help you achieve the goals you are looking to achieve, I'm here for you Bro!!!hey scotty,
I have finished my 1-andro portions a few days ago and have started the epi-v. As you know i split my dosing of the andro to 4 times a day with my last before bed. I was wondering what is the optimal dosing times for the epi-v i am doing 4 caps a day?
just so you know i have gotten up to a solid 164 on the andro and am hoping to keep it all as i have put on 0 fat even though i was consuming a retarded amount of cals.
i was also wondering what my water intake should be on epi-v? I average around 6 liters a day, but i understand epi-v has a diuretic and i have never tried to help a diuretic flush water. It would be nice to see my skin thinned of water a bit.
my 3rd and last pro-xanthine is at 4pm. im in the gym from 8:30-11 and i pass out by midnight. i usually get between 71/2 - 8 hours of sleep before i have to go to work. the 1st time it affected my sleep but in the past couple of days it hasnt.Wait??? You are taking a PRO-XANTHINE mid evening (4pm)? What time do you go to bed and is it not affecting your sleep? I mean the EPI-V sounds like a good dose as it has way less stims in it than our PRO-XANTHINE! All I will say is just be careful not to mess with your sleep cycles, I mean lack of sleep can hinder your lean muscle gains, when you sleep is when all your muscle building and recovery takes place, but like I always say, you may know your body and tolerances better than I do, I just warn caution in taking stims too late in the day, please be careful, just looking out for you Bro!
Yes, I would take the same amount of sups on non-training days, but you may want to change the timing or even skip that 4pm evening dose of PRO-XANTHINE on those days to not interfere with your sleep. As far as the training days, your body seems to have acclimated to it just fine and if it is not affecting your extremely important sleep, then by all means continue as planned! As I believe almost any and every expert would agree, your sleep is most important, besides you burn the most fat when you are in REM sleep, so if it affects your sleep, I believe it may actually be counter-productive in the long-run! Just looking out for ya Big-Guy!my 3rd and last pro-xanthine is at 4pm. im in the gym from 8:30-11 and i pass out by midnight. i usually get between 71/2 - 8 hours of sleep before i have to go to work. the 1st time it affected my sleep but in the past couple of days it hasnt.
What about on non work out days? i lift 5 days a week, should i be taking the same amount of supps on the days i dont lift?