[Maxwell600]

and i want to do havoc so badly. There have been 2 times where i have been so close to buying it. i'm not a nub, i've read up. I would of course include all the supporting supplements along with a proper pct which would include a serm. but is it all THAT bad to take it my age?

[jmh80]

Calm down young padiwan.

I waited to start PH's until I was 24 - had been lifting for 3 years before that.

I'm glad I used non-hormonal supplements for as long as I did. By the time I got started - I had more mature muscle (if you want to call it that) and a metabolism more suited for quality muscle mass.

(I would have wasted PH's when I was younger trying to cram way too much food down - becoming a fat tub o' lard.)

Think big picture/long term. Do you want to get started with Epi/Havoc now? Where will you go when you are my age? Triple the dose? (No one does one cycle per year.)

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by jmh80

Calm down young padiwan.

I waited to start PH's until I was 24 - had been lifting for 3 years before that.

I'm glad I used non-hormonal supplements for as long as I did. By the time I got started - I had more mature muscle (if you want to call it that) and a metabolism more suited for quality muscle mass.

(I would have wasted PH's when I was younger trying to cram way too much food down - becoming a fat tub o' lard.)

Think big picture/long term. Do you want to get started with Epi/Havoc now? Where will you go when you are my age? Triple the dose? (No one does one cycle per year.)

Very well stated J!

[crader]

Give it some time before you head down that route..