[usaxray25]

hey guys-
im interested in hearing some thought about creating a transdermal with havoc/ penetrator. any opinions? just to increase bioavailability. i have done a few ph cycles before and a few real cycles before. im wondering how insane it would be to use a methyl as a dermal? stats: 5-10, 190lb, 10-11%bf. been lifting for a good time too. or would it be ideal to just stack it with something else? trying to get options without getting flamed by anyone. im a newbie to the board and ph's, not to steroids/pct. i know it wont give the overall same efficacy as the real thing, but im trying to lay low with the ph's for a while. so its time to learn from you all! thanks for any the input.

[dsade]

Orals are already around 98% bioavailable. Making it transdermal will do nothing but significantly decrease availability.

[usaxray25]

thanks for the info. i already have 2 bottles of havoc. the last one did pretty good. also have mdrol. stacking a bad idea since they are both methyl?

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by usaxray25

thanks for the info. i already have 2 bottles of havoc. the last one did pretty good. also have mdrol. stacking a bad idea since they are both methyl?

Exactly. Stacking methyl's adds significant hepatic stress and is a bad idea. Look for a good non-methyl that you can stack with havoc.

[usaxray25]

Thanks for the reply Trauma1! Im kind of use to fairly strong AAS. I know that PH's arent as strong , but any suggestions? I tried to find a nor based, but no luck other than mixed reviews on stuff like nordiol xs. Dont know enough to negate the negatives or positives. Im a member of a couple of other BB boards around the net, but this one seems to have a great knowledge base also. I do like the gains I have from the first cycle of Havoc by itself, but want to step up a little. Bump for RPN on Havoc! Glad I signed up finally, been lurking for a while here just searching for answers from others. But any suggestions on a good non-methylated? If needed, PM me. Thanks guys.

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by usaxray25

Thanks for the reply Trauma1! Im kind of use to fairly strong AAS. I know that PH's arent as strong , but any suggestions? I tried to find a nor based, but no luck other than mixed reviews on stuff like nordiol xs. Dont know enough to negate the negatives or positives. Im a member of a couple of other BB boards around the net, but this one seems to have a great knowledge base also. I do like the gains I have from the first cycle of Havoc by itself, but want to step up a little. Bump for RPN on Havoc! Glad I signed up finally, been lurking for a while here just searching for answers from others. But any suggestions on a good non-methylated? If needed, PM me. Thanks guys.

Glad to see that you've had very good results with havoc! It's great to have you as part of the board. I know a few people that have stacked it with propadrol or furazadrol. It's worth looking into anyway if you're interested.

[usaxray25]

Thanks bro! Ive heard a little about using propadrol. Furazodrol is a good one too huh? I will definitely look into them. All of the nor's are no longer available right? ever hear of anything about this nordiol xs?