[Maxwell600]

Is a SERM ABSOLUTELY necessary for a Havoc cycle. i know its a good idea to have some on hand just in case for gyno, but can someone please write up a PCT for me that doesn't include a SERM?
the reason i dont want to use a serm is because of how it's actually more toxic to the liver.

[nosnmiveins]

well only a low dose SERM is needed for havoc. Nolva could be run 20/20/10/10.

My Havoc cycle PCT will be:

Cycle Support
Post Cycle Support
Retain2
Nolva 20/20/10/10

...u probably will be able to get away without the Nolva in there...but id rather be safe than sorry

[lennoxchi]

Originally Posted by Maxwell600

Is a SERM ABSOLUTELY necessary for a Havoc cycle. i know its a good idea to have some on hand just in case for gyno, but can someone please write up a PCT for me that doesn't include a SERM?
the reason i don't want to use a serm is because of how it's actually more toxic to the liver.

Nolva in high doses is liver toxic (40mgs.) that's why most pct plans suggest only 2 or 3 days at that dose. Torm however has been shown to be less liver toxic........i can't currently find a link i can supply where i read that....maybe someone else has it?