[faetfiada]

This is my log, thoughts, and experience using RPN havoc for a cycle of four weeks. I decided to write this not only for myself but also because I felt there was a lack of solid logs out there. In no way am I interested in critique of my training, dieting, or supplement choices (That's what the 'new topic' button is for!). I don't work for or have any affiliation to any organization; I'm just a college student looking for legal alternatives. I also do not intend to promote or glorify the use of any exogenous products.

Background - Goals are primarily bodybuilding oriented. Training about four years, two of which have been more mindful. Weight went from about 125lbs to a peak of 167lbs this November. Keep in mind I'm only 5'6" with 6" wrists. So this is pretty good weight for me to be luggin' around.

Weeks 1-4:
Havoc - 30/30/30/30 20mg morning/10mg evening
Weeks 5-7:
6oxo - 600/300/100 Bedtime

I chose to go right to 30 as any info I could find suggested that this was the minimum effective dose. For PCT I chose to only use an AI as most 'internet chemistry experts' failed to convince me that serious PCT would be needed. Not intended to knock his/her knowledge, but I'd prefer to take suggestions from people I know personally. Had this cycle been longer, I could understand legit post cycle therapy.

Other Supplements: Fish Oils, Glucosamine, Arginine, Whey/Casein, Multi-Vitamin, Food!

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BIOMETRICS - February 9, 2008

Weight [156lbs - 11.5% body fat] = 138 lbs lean (caliper testing = +/- 3%)
Height 66"
Shoulders 45.5"
Chest 36"
Waist 31.5"
Hips 40"
Biceps 14.5"
Forearms 11.5"
Thighs 20.5"
Calves 15"

I had attempted to cycle an 8 week cut previous to this cycle. I say attempted as I believe that I cycled down carbohydrates too quickly which made me look a lot leaner than 11% but also made me look flat. I feel that my body fat was actually lower than this figure as I lost nothing strength wise during the cut.

BIOMETRICS - March 14, 2008

Weight [169lbs - 10.5% body fat] = 151 lbs lean (caliper testing = +/- 3%)
Height 66"
Shoulders 46"
Chest 40"
Waist 32"
Hips 40"
Biceps 15.5"
Forearms 11.5"
Thighs 23.25"
Calves 15.5"

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DIET - This is an example of what my average bulking diet looks like. When I stop gaining weight I add a few extra carbohydrates to my meals. I generally train right after breakfast unless I have a training partner later in the day. I prefer food to shakes. Shakes never put weight on me. The calories fall anywhere from 3500-4000. No booze.


Meal 1 - Whey Protein, Oats, Flax Seed, Banana.
Meal 2 - Eggs, Yam, Wheat Bread, Chocolate Milk.
Meal 3 - Peanut Butter Jelly, Wheat Bread, Apple
Meal 4 - Chicken, Brown Rice, Vegetables
Meal 5 - Tuna, Pasta, Vegetables
Meal 6 - Casein Protein, Soy Milk

Snacks - Fruit, Zero Carbohydrate Ice Creams, Unsalted Nuts.

Water - 96+ oz.

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TRAINING - Low volume, primarily compound lifts. 8 reps average set. Being extremely ectomorphic I find that anything more than this I gain next to nothing in weight.

• Chest/Triceps/Abs
• Back/Biceps/Forearms
• Off
• Shoulders/Traps/Abs
• Quads/Hams/Calves
• Off
• Off

Cardio - None, zip, zilch! Same reasons as above. Even when I do cardio it's no more than 15 minutes at a time. Previous cuts I've lost weight too fast. I'd rather just drop my calories down a little.

POUNDAGES - Weights are figured using a one rep max calculator. I don't do any one rep lifting so I would have to guess otherwise. The weights listed are solely my improvements during cycle. I have not listed every lift; these are just some of the compound moves I've noticed considerable improvement on.

Chest - Happy with the gains, they're pretty good!

DB Chest Press +8 lbs each.
BB Incline Press +23 lbs.

Back- Pull-ups look weak but remember that I also gained bodyweight!

Weighted Pull-ups +2 lbs.
T-Bar Row +33 lbs.

Shoulders- I hit these hard. I have short clavicles so shoulders are always a priority.

DB Shoulder Press +7 lbs each.

Legs- The press was a pretty impressive improvement for me. However this number is misleading. Actual working weight went up by around 100 lbs. Maybe the calculators aren't accurate for heavier lifts?

Leg Press +210 lbs
Squat +19 lbs

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SIDES -
Acne - not horrible, but it was there. Weeks 3-4.

Hair Loss - None

Gyno - None, but I'm writing this before post cycle so it'll be part of the update in a few weeks.

Back Pumps - These were hell. Caffeine seemed to compound it so I took that as a sign I might have not been getting all the fluids I thought I was. I started carrying a gallon instead of filling up smaller bottles. This seemed to work fine without the addition of any extra supplements. Weeks 3-4.

Libido - Increased weeks 2-4. I think this would've been the cause of any aggression. Too much work/study + no girlfriend = poor attitude. Zero testicular atrophy to best of my knowledge... I didn't take the tape to 'em.

Aggression - Maybe a little, even if I did it was mostly in the gym.

FINAL THOUGHTS -
All in all I felt that this is a decent product. Pumps were great and sometimes felt downright painful. Strength gains were definitely there. Girth measurements were up higher than before cutting. My biggest complaint is that the cycle felt too short. I felt that a 6 week cycle would be much better. I didn't have any blood work done during this time so I wasn't going to push it not knowing what my internals were doing. I did have an elevated hemocrit; found this out in part of a physiology class lab. That's all I've got. Any questions I'd be happy to answer. Any rude remarks I'd be happy to ignore. Enjoy.

[crader]

Thanks for the review!!

[Mulletsoldier]

I think you're experience in P.C.T., will inform whether or not it was the right choice. Not saying one way or another, but after this you'll know.

Aside from that, very detailed. 165 is light (not criticizing, I'm not much heavier) but as you said at 5'6 that is decent. That's ~195 or so for 5'10+

[Trauma1]

Lol, i like your style. Glad that you enjoyed Havoc Bud!! Nice log!

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

I think you're experience in P.C.T., will inform whether or not it was the right choice. Not saying one way or another, but after this you'll know.

Aside from that, very detailed. 165 is light (not criticizing, I'm not much heavier) but as you said at 5'6 that is decent. That's ~195 or so for 5'10+

Nice to see you over in the RPN section broski!

[crader]

Originally Posted by Trauma1

Nice to see you over in the RPN section broski!

And he changed that bloody avi...whoo hooo

[dsade]

Solid review...please post a FINAL review after PCT?

[faetfiada]

Originally Posted by dsade

Solid review...please post a FINAL review after PCT?

intend to. starting pct tonight.

[bigpapa]

your next cycle, fyi, use taurine. that will prevent the back bumps

[faetfiada]

Originally Posted by bigpapa

your next cycle, fyi, use taurine. that will prevent the back bumps

Pumps were tolerable when i upped water intake. i don't expect no sides and all gains, that just wouldn't be fair!!!

As for pm's.... i'll post pct when it's done... patience!