[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by methodice;

can you please tell me about the mechanism here strat

Glycogen is the body's main source of stored energy. It can be depleted for various reasons, especially when the rate of lipolysis is not enough to satisfy the demands of stress or exercise. By facilitating the transportation of fatty acids into the mitochondria and enhancing fat metabolism and energy production there, however, propionyl-l-/(acetyl-l)-carnitine help(s) provide the body with a higher-than-normal energy level (stored glycogen and oxidized fat in the mitochondria), leading to a sparing of the metabolism of muscle glycogen, and ultimately leading to delayed fatigue.

[flu1d]

Originally Posted by strategicmove

Agree. I still do not see how they impair each other, as they work via somewhat different pathways. As is well known, Acetyl-L-Carnitine helps maintain the metabolism of cellular energy by supporting the optimal transportation of fat through the cell membrane into cell mitochondria for oxidation (and production of cellular energy). Proprionyl-L-Carnitine, on its own rapidly penetrates into heart, endothelial and muscle cells, delivers optimal energy metabolism in the mitochondria, maintains endothelial-wall integrity, and combats muscle fatigue by enhancing muscle energy stores of glycogen.

Let's see, though, if dsade finds the study he mentioned.

As I'll be running DCP alongside ALCAR in the near future I could theorectically test which notion is true, although I'm unsure how I could do it. I've taken ALCAR previously, so should I stay on the DCP for say a week before starting ALCAR, and judge whether the ALCAR is as effective as last time I took it?

[fitnecise]

Originally Posted by strategicmove

Agree. I still do not see how they impair each other, as they work via somewhat different pathways. As is well known, Acetyl-L-Carnitine helps maintain the metabolism of cellular energy by supporting the optimal transportation of fat through the cell membrane into cell mitochondria for oxidation (and production of cellular energy). Proprionyl-L-Carnitine, on its own rapidly penetrates into heart, endothelial and muscle cells, delivers optimal energy metabolism in the mitochondria, maintains endothelial-wall integrity, and combats muscle fatigue by enhancing muscle energy stores of glycogen.

Let's see, though, if dsade finds the study he mentioned.

I don't believe they impair one another, there is simply diminishing returns if you are attempting to treat fatigue. There would also be diminishing returns for CPT activity also, obviously.

Maybe it was a different study

Dosing different salts is definitely beneficial, yes.

[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by fitnecise

I don't believe they impair one another, there is simply diminishing returns if you are attempting to treat fatigue. There would also be diminishing returns for CPT activity also, obviously....

We are saying the same thing. Differently!

[jaruma15]

Crader, I am inquring about my wife. llike max silver. She is also 5'2'' but she is 135 lb. You said that 2 in the morning 2 in the middle, and 2 before bed was a good start but how long should she stick with that and what dosage should she go to then? She just started taking DCP this morning with Napalm/Lipoderm Ultra.

[dsade]

Originally Posted by fitnecise

I don't believe they impair one another, there is simply diminishing returns if you are attempting to treat fatigue. There would also be diminishing returns for CPT activity also, obviously.

Maybe it was a different study

Dosing different salts is definitely beneficial, yes.

No, this was my point. Impair was a poor choice of word on my part.

[crader]

Originally Posted by jaruma15

Crader, I am inquring about my wife. llike max silver. She is also 5'2'' but she is 135 lb. You said that 2 in the morning 2 in the middle, and 2 before bed was a good start but how long should she stick with that and what dosage should she go to then? She just started taking DCP this morning with Napalm/Lipoderm Ultra.

Well it depends on how she is doing on it. I myself take 2 in the am 4 before workout and 2 before bed. If she is side free and losing well at the 2-2-2 dose then keep her there until she hits a plateau.

If she is hitting the gym then you could bump her to what I'm on to help with endurance. You can adjust the dose if she plateaus as long as she can tolerate it. Just keep her water intake high.

[jaruma15]

Thanks crader, I appreciate info

[bryan4592]

What would you recommend for dosage timing for a DCP/Leviathan/AP/PSlin stack? I plan on only using PSlin preworkout and the AP with higher carb meals. So basically, how should I time these 3-4 supps? Also, how would DCP work with a Havoc stack somewhere down the road?

[crader]

Dose the DCP at 2 in the am 2 before workout and 2 before bed. The Levi frst thing in the am before food. A second dose of Levi in the afternoon on an empty stomache. The AP /Pslin as directed or with carbs.

And Havoc and DCP together is fine!!

[bryan4592]

Thanks a bunch Crader!!

[bj22]

Is there much of a benefit to upping the dose to 8 caps a day over the recommended dosage of 6? I am hoping to cut about 8-10 lbs. in 7 weeks. Thanks.

[dsade]

Originally Posted by bj22

Is there much of a benefit to upping the dose to 8 caps a day over the recommended dosage of 6? I am hoping to cut about 8-10 lbs. in 7 weeks. Thanks.

It will be more effective. My sweet spot is actually around 8-9 (2 morning, 4 preworkout, 2 evening - or switched if I have a night workout - then sometimes another single cap before bed.)

[bj22]

I think I might bump the dosage up since I have a couple bottles laying around and a limited time to get to where I want to be. Also, I know this is usually taken before meals. So would it be ok to take it at the same time as lets say a repartitioner such as AP and/or a stim like EC? It seems like a lot to take in at once.

[DreamOfWeight]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL