i'm gaining weight on DCP... wtf

luggnut

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i started a cut a month or so ago with anibolic pump and recreate. got down from 212 to 199 12-15% bf. recently i added DCP to my supplements (1 week so far). and my weight is 205-206... i know you might say RECOMP i am working out hard ...but i'm 40 and have been at the iron for a long time and i don't think recomp. and i don't want to gain any pounds i want to be below 200 lbs (my joints hurt) would love 185-190 single digit bf. so what am i doing wrong my diet and excercise has not changed and my weight shot up 5lbs after starting DCP
 
i started a cut a month or so ago with anibolic pump and recreate. got down from 212 to 199 12-15% bf. recently i added DCP to my supplements (1 week so far). and my weight is 205-206... i know you might say RECOMP i am working out hard ...but i'm 40 and have been at the iron for a long time and i don't think recomp. and i don't want to gain any pounds i want to be below 200 lbs (my joints hurt) would love 185-190 single digit bf. so what am i doing wrong my diet and excercise has not changed and my weight shot up 5lbs after starting DCP

Hmmm.....

Without seeing your diet it would impossible to deceifer the actual problem here. What other supps if any are you taking? What's your sodium intake like? How much DCP are you taking, and when?

Have you changed anything recently in your diet or training regimen? This very well could be recomp like effects as well. Replacing a good amount of fat with muscle can start tipping the scales the other way, but in a good way.
 
the other supps again are anabolic pump and recreate. not much else except protien drinks and vitamins and anima flex , animal omega. my diet hasn't changed but weight went up. after beginning DCP. diet is generally
meal 1. syntha 6 in skim milk
2. lean protien and bake tater or turkey sandwich
and usally a caloried drink like tea or gatorade
3. muscle milk and oats
4. syntha 6 again
5. lean protien with some carbs (rice, wheat bread, tater...
and some days tea or gatorade
6. syntha 6 in skim milk again
calories around 2500-2700
i do lots of syntha 6 and muscle milk oats because of my busy schedule (family man, business owner..)
work out 4 days a week upper/lower split with a 20min fast paced walk after. like i said in my first post iwas on a roll (losing 10-15lbs!!) ithought DCP added would help... but i shot up 5+lbs in a week or so. and i've been working out hard for a while so i don't believe i could gain that much without it being fat.
i mean superdrol might give you 5 pounds in a week but DCP? is it not working with AP and recreate? i'm frustrated!!
 
Could it be from water retention?

Yes sir, it's a possibility for sure. I've had one other uses tell me he retained water while taking DCP.

During the process of lipolysis or hydrolysis of lipids (freeing up fat stores into the blood stream to be used as energy), free fatty acids and glycerol are then released into the blood stream as a result of the process of hydrolysis of said triglycerides. If elevated glycerol levels are resulted in the body due to excessive lipolytic effects, fluid retention can certainly occur. Glycerol is largely excreted through the renal (kidney) pathway, so if your production is exceeding your excretion, i could see this developing into a potential situation.

Glycerol can also be converted into glucose (which will also cause a degree of fluid retention) by the liver through a few enzymatic reactions. Either way, the potential for fluid retention here is increased. Especially when lipolysis is occuring at a fairly significant rate.

Even in light of this scenario, your dietary intake would play a huge factor in the actual impact of this process though. Something like even a small amount of sodium intake over suggested levels can amplify this situation many fold. In the end, cessation of use should drop all the retained water (if any) and show off the new lean body you've sculpted. :D
 
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the other supps again are anabolic pump and recreate. not much else except protien drinks and vitamins and anima flex , animal omega. my diet hasn't changed but weight went up. after beginning DCP. diet is generally
meal 1. syntha 6 in skim milk
2. lean protien and bake tater or turkey sandwich
and usally a caloried drink like tea or gatorade
3. muscle milk and oats
4. syntha 6 again
5. lean protien with some carbs (rice, wheat bread, tater...
and some days tea or gatorade
6. syntha 6 in skim milk again
calories around 2500-2700
i do lots of syntha 6 and muscle milk oats because of my busy schedule (family man, business owner..)
work out 4 days a week upper/lower split with a 20min fast paced walk after. like i said in my first post iwas on a roll (losing 10-15lbs!!) ithought DCP added would help... but i shot up 5+lbs in a week or so. and i've been working out hard for a while so i don't believe i could gain that much without it being fat.
i mean superdrol might give you 5 pounds in a week but DCP? is it not working with AP and recreate? i'm frustrated!!

A rapid gain in weight over a very short peroid of time is MUCH more likely the result of excessive fluid retention.

Do you take any medications on a regular basis, or have any significant medical problems?

My suggestions would be to cut your carb load down a bit, and begin to watch the sodium intake. I'd give that a week and see if things begin to turn around in this regard. DCP was created to augment fatloss through specific pathways. If diet isn't on point, then the benefits will be limited at best. Also try to change up your training routine a bit. Sometimes something as simple as this can shock your body back into being a fat burning machine.

BTW - How many DCP caps are you taking daily, and when are you taking them? You ABSOLUTELY need to be taking them 35-40 minutes before a meal to gain maximum benefits. I actually also incourage a 3-4 cap dose 40 minutes prior to your workout. It's been noted to amplify training effects and fatloss through increased fatty acid oxidation and subsequent energy benefits.
 
i do eat salt with the whole food meals and i don't know about the sodium right off about the syntha6 and MM oats.
so DCP could cause water retention? because as i said i was on a roll before DCP... show i stop using it? is it just not for me.
i do feel hotter and sweat more with this stuff than recreate alone so i thought for sure it was kicking a** until i weighed myself. i want this to work so bad...
 
i do eat salt with the whole food meals and i don't know about the sodium right off about the syntha6 and MM oats.
so DCP could cause water retention? because as i said i was on a roll before DCP... show i stop using it? is it just not for me.
i do feel hotter and sweat more with this stuff than recreate alone so i thought for sure it was kicking a** until i weighed myself. i want this to work so bad...

I seriously do encourage you to cut back on some of the carbs, and watch the sodium for the next week.

I don't believe that it's the DCP that's causing the issue here alone. When taking multiple products, there is no way to pinpoint exactly what may be working with/or against each other. However, i don't believe that to be the case anyway.

Always look at your diet first, and make the initial necessary changes there. After making those changes, give it some time to take effect. Re-evaluation should be done to assess response at that point. Changing up the exercise routine is also very important every 4-6 weeks.
 
alright i don't understand ... you say cut back on carbs .. i've been taking AP which says increase carbs (thats why i have a good amount in my diet plan) i had great progress on AP/Recreate stack with the carbs. so once i add in DCP to hopefully accelerate my progress , it won't work unless i cut back carbs. so by this reasoning i would be better off without DCP as in easier diet with good fatloss. but adding DCP makes me have to diet and restrict carbs more than if i didn't take it at all. come on there has to be a better answer than that.
i know my diet and exercise hasn't changed and i don't think changing my lifting routine is the answer either. if my routine was off and i was at maintenace or below i should at the very least not change weight at all. not go up on the same plan.
 
A better answer? :think:

I think i've given you a pretty detailed answer to say the least already.

What is your carb intake total, and what kind of carbs are you taking in? That all in itself can significantly alter your efforts to lose weight. I've been given VERY limited information to work with here, so forming any adequate cause/effect conclusion is significantly limited at best. I still have yet to see how you've been dosing the DCP, or how much you take daily?

As i've been stressing already, diet is a VERY important factor with supplements of this nature. Think about how our bodies utilize and burn fat. If you're taking in a large amount of carbs/glucose (which is the bodies primary source of energy) this will in-fact limit desired effects. If your body is getting the carb energy on a adequate level to meet energy expenditure demands, why would it need to massively tap into fat stores to compensate for increased energy demands? What isn't needed is stored as glycogen stores, or in adipose tissue.

DCP has a specific ingredient to try to limit fat redeposition, but having an environment suitable for accelerated fat loss certainly helps the cause many fold.


I'm wondering based on your responses if you've read the DCP write-up:

DCP is an effective combination of TetradecylThioacetic Acid (250mg), Salvia Miltiorrhiza Extract (standardized for 40% Mixed Tanshinones) (250mg), Propionyl-L-Carnitine (300mg), Potassium Pyruvate (300mg), and Raspberry Ketones (100mg). You may have seen some of these ingredients in other products, but lets look at why we chose them specifically to work in concert to help you become the lean, mean, muscle building machine you want to be.

The center ingredient in which our product is based off of is of TetradecylThioacetic Acid (TTA). TTA is a 3-thia fatty acid which increases mitochondrial activity, which in itself provides numerous benefits. Insulin resistance is strongly linked to the reduction of glucose oxidation in mitochondria and a subsequent build up of glycolysis byproducts. Adipocytes also contribute hormones when fat is stored in them, so, the more fat you are carrying, the more inhibition of mitochondrial function you have (1). Mitochondria proteins function mainly to produce ATP, enhancing their function will, in short, burn more fuel. TTA enhances mitochondrial oxidative capacity and reduces free fatty acid and triglyceride levels as described below.

The peroxisome proliferator-activated receptors (PPARs) are transcription factors regulated by fatty acid derivatives, among others. These receptors are intimately involved in glucose regulation, cellular proliferation and differentiation, and most important to us, fat metabolism. There are at present three types of PPARs: alpha, gamma, and delta. The liver is the main site where fatty acids are stored or burned for energy, depending on calorie intake.

When fasting, fuel sources switch from carbohydrates and fats to mainly fats, and fatty acids are released from adipocytes. In the liver, they are either reesterified to triglycerides and form very low-density lipoproteins (VLDL), which then go on to restore in adipocytes or go to cardiac and skeletal muscle for energy. They can also be broken down through beta-oxidation to form ketones. PPAR-alpha mediates the genes controlling fatty acid uptake, beta-oxidation, and gamma-oxidation, which are upregulated when in a fasted state. TTA is a PPARalpha agonist, meaning it activates these receptors. Thus, you experience the same benefits even if you are in a fed state (9,15-18). PPAR-alpha also down-regulates apolipoprotein C-III which inhibits triglyceride hydrolysis, further enhancing lipid oxidation (2).

TTA also increases the activity of enzymes of the carnitine palmitoyltransferase (CPT) sytem (9), which shuttles the newly freed up fatty acids into mitochondria to be burned for fuel (10). This system is highly underestimated in a fat loss quest, and it's activity is depressed with increased fat. Propionyl-LCarnitine (PLCAR) was added to further stimulate the CPT system (11), and is converted into propionylcoenzyme A and free carnitine (12). PLCAR has also been suspected to scavenge free radicals, as well as protect DNA from UV damage (12).

Pyruvate is involved in another complex system called the Pyruvate Dehydrogenase Complex (PDC), which interacts with the CPT system (13). Pyruvate is a Krebs Cycle intermediate, which is rate controlled by the amount of acetyl-CoA that enters the cycle, one of the conversions from pyruvate (13). For simplicity's sake, the result is an ATP/energy enhancement from the mitochondria and an increase in fuel consumption. The electrolyte potassium form was added to attenuate cramping issues observed from previous TTA products.

Raspberry Ketones (RK) add the finishing touch to DCP. RK is similar in structure to capsaicin and synephrine, and also has been shown to modulate fat metabolism. RK stimulates the release of norepinephrine (NE), a catecholamine with many functions. Most importantly to us is its role in the sympathetic nervous system. NE, having a great affinity on beta and alpha-1 adrenoreceptors in the body, activates lipolysis that normally only occurs during exercise or other intensive activity. This results in an increase of free fatty acids which will be burned via methods described above (14).

As you can see, DCP attacks fat from many angles. It can be especially effective when bulking to prevent fat storage and also has appetite suppressive properties in some users, or used in a cut to potentiate the body's fasting enzymatic response. Take control of your body with Damage Control Protocol!

I have limited personal experience in regard to AP (however i'm aware of the pathway it works upon), but i have used ReCreate with success. In fact, i ran it with DCP a few months ago here that i logged. AP should help to attenuate uptake of glucose at the cellular level, but once again i have limited info to go off here.

I seriously want to help you here, but please give me some more info on your diet/training practices. :)
 
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sorry if i sound like an a**hole it just seems that if everything stays the same with AP/Recreate and my diet excersice plan that adding DCP should be a no brainer. but it didn't work that way and i was hoping there was an answer.
my diet summary in the earlier post wasn't good enough. it had my carbs mostly oats, rice, whole wheat bread, with about 2 caloried drinks a day tea or gatorade. i also said 4 days a week workout with upper/lower split and 20min cardio after.
but the one question still is if things were working without DCP... its addition should have helped, not made me have to rework my whole plan as you suggest with the carb reduction and excercise change. if so wouldn't i be better off without DCP?
 
Water retention seems to subside by itself quite quickly. You could also look into taking further potassium supplementation.

I suggest you stick it out for a few more days...fatloss is MUCH more important than dealing with a slight amount of water retention...remember, we are talking a significant reduction in the amount of fat on your body in a short amount of time.
 
thanks i'm gonna take that advice and stick it out for a little while. DCP is so highly praised on this board its got to be pretty good. see if the water goes away ... maybe has nothing to do with DCP? could some other issue
 
thanks i'm gonna take that advice and stick it out for a little while. DCP is so highly praised on this board its got to be pretty good. see if the water goes away ... maybe has nothing to do with DCP? could some other issue

Glad to hear you're going to stick it out. As your body gets adjusted to DCP's fatloss pathways and upregulates the ability to deal with the excessive glycerol accumulation, some of that water retention should diurese off.

The fatloss effects are seriously incredible. I still strongly encourage you make some minor tweaks, and adjust your diet/sodium intake though. I think that in itself should help this side effect resolve in a quicker fashion. Regardless, please keep us updated. :)
 
like they said, it's water weight. it'll go away within a week or so of stopping, and you will most likely see a noteworthy decrease in bodyfat that might not have been very apparent before. don't worry about the scale too much unless you are involved in something with a weight class
 
update .. i weighed 206 this morn still going up. now it looks like my bf% is down. is this possible? if so this combo of AP /DCP/Recreate is really something. especially for those want to maintain as much size and muscle on a cut as possible. iwas hoping to be around 185-190 at the end of my cut, but i don't think thats gonna be the case.
i'm not a competitor so i would not be shooting for 4-5% or less. just hoping to get in the single digits and be lighter.
 
update .. i weighed 206 this morn still going up. now it looks like my bf% is down. is this possible? if so this combo of AP /DCP/Recreate is really something. especially for those want to maintain as much size and muscle on a cut as possible. iwas hoping to be around 185-190 at the end of my cut, but i don't think thats gonna be the case.
i'm not a competitor so i would not be shooting for 4-5% or less. just hoping to get in the single digits and be lighter.

It certainly sounds like you have some nice recomp effects going on to me. It's very possible. :D This stack would very much seem to accomplish what you're describing. Enhanced fatloss with muscle retaining effects.

Thanks for the feedback with the combo as well. Let us know what the final results entail.
 
To the OP, you can still cut carbs while taking AP, you can cut them quite a lot actually. And, for future reference, an AP before "empty stomach" cardio may enhance fat-loss.
 
i tried AP will lower carbs when i first did it and thought i was gonna die. but lately i haven't had those hypo , lethargy and such i think i'll try dropping the carbs back a little and i have done the AP cardio thing . take AP 20min then on treadmill then eat and it seems like a good thing , not easy sometimes those hypo feelings start but not always
 
To the OP, you can still cut carbs while taking AP, you can cut them quite a lot actually. And, for future reference, an AP before "empty stomach" cardio may enhance fat-loss.
Interesting...going to have to play with this as well.
 
To the OP, you can still cut carbs while taking AP, you can cut them quite a lot actually. And, for future reference, an AP before "empty stomach" cardio may enhance fat-loss.
I haven't kept up with AP info; how exactly is it proposed to help sans CHO?
 
Ah, I gotcha. Well, from what Mullet says it should induce the liberation of fatty acids, and make metabolism of fat significantly more efficient during exertion.
 
Ah, I gotcha. Well, from what Mullet says it should induce the liberation of fatty acids, and make metabolism of fat significantly more efficient during exertion.

How is it liberating fatty acids? Through what mechanism?
 
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