E-Pol Questions thread
- 01-18-2010, 01:21 AM
- 01-18-2010, 10:54 AM
01-21-2010, 03:11 PM
I don't have any questions pertaining to E-pol, but I thought I would tell about my personal experience with it up to this point. I'll start with a little background information on myself. I'll be 31 next month and I've been lifting for fifteen years. My first several years of training were typical bodybuilding-style training, and around April 2007 I switched to powerlifting. I would consider myself an advanced user of AAS, GH, and IGF-1. I had done some research on E-pol, Halovar and M14-E and decided to give them a try. I've used Organ Shield and Recycle in the past and was very please with both products. Purus already had a strong reputation in my mind with their products I had tried, so I saw no reason why there would be any difference in their PH/DS.
This is the cycle I've laid out with Purus supplements...
Weeks 1-4 E-pol as directed
Weeks 3-6 Halovar as directed
Weeks 5-8 M14-E as directed
Weeks 1-8 Organ Shield, Liv-52
Before I get flamed for running 17AA's back to back, I feel my personal experience with AAS has lead me to make informed decisions as to what is the most effective and safe dosing method for myself. I'm not recommending this protocol for anyone. This is simply how I chose to run these compounds. With that being said...flame on brothers!
I'm currently in day 16 of my experiment and I've put on 16lbs up to this point. The first six days i was up 8lbs. Day nine i was up 13lbs. I've made no drastic changes in diet, training, sleep, etc. Everything is on the same course it was before I began this protocol. My strength has increased as fast as it ever has using any other steroid compound, whether legal or illegal. There is very little, if any, bloat/water retention. Pumps in the gym, even using heavy weight, low reps are excrutiating to say the least. Low back pumps up quick, fast, and in a hurry with little stimulation. Deadlifts and reverse-hypers are a chore. Talking on the phone is even uncomfortable with the bicep/forearm pump that ensues after about sixty seconds. My overall mood is pretty normal, with irritability on the high side. My patience runs out quick, so that is always being kept in check. I feel a bit lethargic at times, but not as much as I have in the past using high-dose propionate and anadrol. My internal temperature is running hot, as I wake up drenched in sweat at night. Sleeping patterns are normal and sex-drive is to the point of being annoyingly high. Overall, I've had a great experience with this cycle, and I feel like Superman on 'roids in the gym...oh, wait a minute...lol.
I hope this is informative and helps a fellow iron brother out in someway.
01-22-2010, 08:49 AM
01-22-2010, 12:18 PM
You are running way too many methyl compounds (4 plus one that is not methylsted but still tough on the liver)
Epol + Halovar is very doable but I wouldn't extend it into the M14E. If you have extensive knowledge and AAS use you know all orals are not that recommended, especially 8 weeks of double methylsted products (not to mention no test ).
Look how good you are gaining right now..... I'd cut it off at 6 weeks and save M14E for your next cycle. More is not always better
Also what is your PCT?
01-22-2010, 12:18 PM
01-22-2010, 03:54 PM
My PCT is going to look like this:
Week 1 - Nolvadex 40mg/day, Recycle 4 caps 2xs/day
Week 2 - Nolvadex 20mg/day, Recycle 4 caps 2xs/day
Week 3 - Nolvadex 20mg/day, Recycle 4 caps 2xs/day
Week 4 - Nolvadex 10mg/day, Recycle 4 caps 2xs/day
That has been pretty standard for me as a PCT protocol with AAS, and it has always worked well. Although I typically also run HCG at 250iu 2xs/week throughout a cycle, I opted not to run it this time. So far my shutdown has seemed relatively mild. I've seen no noticeable shrinkage in the boys like I usually do with injectibles.
My doses for E-pol and Halovar are as directed. Do you recommend upping either one since I'm going to kill it after six weeks, or since this is my first time using these compounds should I leave room to expand next time on dosages? I would think they are fine as is. Your opinion?
01-22-2010, 07:52 PM
i would keep the dosages at 1-2 caps a day for epol and 2-3 a day for the halovar. since you have AAS experience, you may want to run the halovar at 3 caps ED which is 75mg.
i would save the m14e for another as grambo stated above. it's way too many methylated compounds on your liver at once. plus you'll get the same gains from epol and halovar as you would with all 3 stacked together. less is better in this situation.
the PCT looks spot on. i think you're going to the love the recycle.
01-23-2010, 11:25 PM
01-26-2010, 10:05 PM
02-08-2010, 04:26 PM
Quick question, I am getting ready to start my cycle of epol, I have never done a PH but I have done real HGH. I was wondering is it ok to do 1 pill for the first week then jump to 2 pills for the next 4 weeks. I have all my liver care in place, I am worried about my PCT. The place I got it from the guy told me that I would be fine to take the TZ3 stack by sci-fit as my PCT is this going to help me out at all or was it a waste of my time to by teh TZ3. Thanks guys.
02-08-2010, 07:45 PM
02-10-2010, 12:27 PM
Listen to Big G...he know's a thing or two. If this is in fact your first experience with PH/DS, one is plenty. That will be a great starting point and should yield some very noticeable gains, leaving you with room to increase the does next time. Always use the lowest dose possible that yields results.
02-18-2010, 01:54 AM
Should I have letro on hand for e-pol? I know tren has been know to cause gyno. I plan to use torem as my serm
02-18-2010, 01:58 AM
It's really up to you. Won't hurt. Epol has a low dose so it's less likely anything could creep up. People usually use some prolactin type supps for tren.
02-18-2010, 12:45 PM
02-18-2010, 01:15 PM
02-19-2010, 01:49 PM
p5p dosed at about 200mg everyday will be good.
vitex dosed at about 2,000mg everyday.
that's how i control prolactin support when on a cycle of tren. but as grambo stated above, the tren dose in epol isn't very high so prolactin sides might not even come out on this cycle. especially if you run epol at just one cap everyday.
02-21-2010, 01:29 AM
02-21-2010, 10:56 PM
02-21-2010, 11:23 PM
02-21-2010, 11:29 PM
02-22-2010, 06:11 AM
02-22-2010, 01:41 PM
Most see the strength gains in 3-4 along with lean size gains. It doesn't blow yo up like some others so it really depends on goals. Did you start at 50 or been at 75? I think 50 is almost a waste.
Whats your diet like? jw (like goals and simple macros)
How much weight so far?
02-22-2010, 03:54 PM
02-22-2010, 04:03 PM
Macro break down?
Not trying to like question you to death just getting a better idea if the situation ha
02-22-2010, 04:13 PM
02-24-2010, 01:11 AM
03-13-2010, 04:21 AM
So I have about 3 days left on Havoc and some epol kind of fell in my lap. Its only 20 pills a buddy had left over and was gonna toss for some reason. I Started to think about bridging 2 weeks of epol on havoc, 1 pill a day for two weeks(only using 14). I know ive heard most people run sdrol first and then harden with havoc and giving the knowledge i have now thats what i would of done. Despite maybe not being the most preferred way, anyone see any problems with this?
03-13-2010, 03:52 PM
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